Is The Scientific Evidence That God Exists?

[NolanVoyd]

Of course you were taking it out of context you didn't read the posts before or after.

There is no context in which your claim is anything short of evil.

Or do you think throwing poor people out of planes with no parachute is what Jesus would do?

 

[Quag]

The evidence of God is you.

Neither I nor anyone else is evidence of God

 

[RAMOSS]

The evidence of God is you.

How so? That is the logical fallacy known as "begging the question". It assumes the conclusion rather than supporting it.

 

[Bear5131]

How so? That is the logical fallacy known as "begging the question". It assumes the conclusion rather than supporting it.

Even Charles couldn't explain the evolution of the human eye.


One of the best examples of design within the human body is the eye. Even Charles Darwin struggled with the problem of how to explain how such a complex organ as the eye could have “evolved” through naturalistic processes. In The Origin of Species he wrote:

To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest sense (1859, p. 170, emp. added).

The Impossible Eye

Seeing is Believing: The Design of the Human Eye If one of your friends asked you, “How do you know God exists?,” what would you say? There are many different ways to prove God’s existence, because God has given us so much evidence. Sometimes we find that evidence in things we see in the...

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[Dragonfly]

Even Charles couldn't explain the evolution of the human eye.


One of the best examples of design within the human body is the eye. Even Charles Darwin struggled with the problem of how to explain how such a complex organ as the eye could have “evolved” through naturalistic processes. In The Origin of Species he wrote:

The Impossible Eye

Seeing is Believing: The Design of the Human Eye If one of your friends asked you, “How do you know God exists?,” what would you say? There are many different ways to prove God’s existence, because God has given us so much evidence. Sometimes we find that evidence in things we see in the...

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God of the gaps.

We don't know does not equal god did it.

Life existing does not auto-default to only a god could have made it happen.

That's faith. Not fact.

 

[Gordy327]

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The evidence of God is you.

How is that evidence of God exactly?

 

[RAMOSS]

Even Charles couldn't explain the evolution of the human eye.


One of the best examples of design within the human body is the eye. Even Charles Darwin struggled with the problem of how to explain how such a complex organ as the eye could have “evolved” through naturalistic processes. In The Origin of Species he wrote:

The Impossible Eye

Seeing is Believing: The Design of the Human Eye If one of your friends asked you, “How do you know God exists?,” what would you say? There are many different ways to prove God’s existence, because God has given us so much evidence. Sometimes we find that evidence in things we see in the...

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That is what is known as 'the appeal to ignorance'. And, well, we know how the eye evolved very well in fact. There is a little video that is geared to high school students about the evolution of the eye.

Evolution of the Eye | PBS LearningMedia

Zoologist Dan-Eric Nilsson demonstrates how the complex human eye could have evolved through natural selection acting on small variations, in this video from Evolution: Darwin's Dangerous Idea. Starting with a simple patch of light-sensitive cells, Nilsson's model "evolves" until a clear image...

ny.pbslearningmedia.org

And here is a paper that was written specifically to counter that the claim

Darwin's Greatest Challenge Tackled: The Mystery Of Eye Evolution

When Darwin's skeptics attack his theory of evolution, they often focus on the eye. Darwin himself confessed that it was "absurd" to propose that the human eye evolved through spontaneous mutation and natural selection. Scientists at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory (EMBL) have now...

www.sciencedaily.com

 

[Quag]

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How is that evidence of God exactly?

its not

 

[Gordy327]

its not

Exactly.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

It's consistent, therefore it's designed? No, that logic doesn't follow.
You are correct. It's not scientific enough to talk about in the context of science. You haven't managed to distinguish anything from the null hypothesis. In a hypothetical godless universe, why would gravity be inconsistent?

The design aspect is so ridiculous. If designed, it is done horribly. There are many inefficiencies. And, why would a "loving" god create a world where in order to survive one species has to kill another species? Biological life is brutal. Evolution actually explains the horrors and brutality in teh world, the existence of viruses and microorganisms, etc. Not a loving god created it. Plus, the universe is really really really inhospitable for life. Even on this planet there has been many extinction events, and will be another one eventually. And why a universe so unfathomable large and one tiny little spec created life? partiuclarly those that think that only life on earth exists in such an enormous, near infinite universe.

 

[Gordy327]

The design aspect is so ridiculous. If designed, it is done horribly. There are many inefficiencies. And, why would a "loving" god create a world where in order to survive one species has to kill another species? Biological life is brutal. Evolution actually explains the horrors and brutality in teh world, the existence of viruses and microorganisms, etc. Not a loving god created it. Plus, the universe is really really really inhospitable for life. Even on this planet there has been many extinction events, and will be another one eventually. And why a universe so unfathomable large and one tiny little spec created life? partiuclarly those that think that only life on earth exists in such an enormous, near infinite universe.

Evolution alone, with its veritable freakshow of fossils, evolutionary deadends, extinctions, ect., discredits the idea of design. Just look at humans. What kind of "designer" would put a sewage plant next to a recreational area?

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

God of the gaps.

We don't know does not equal god did it.

Life existing does not auto-default to only a god could have made it happen.

That's faith. Not fact.

Also, its so incredibly stupid. There is nothing magical about the human eye. Shit, other animals have vastly superior vision of other detection methods then humans.

Also, it is the epitome of dumb to cite Darwin and claim he didn't know. Darwin didn't have the date of the earth, the fossil records, didn't know about genetics and heredity, so claiming something he didn't know is the epitome of dumb. And even without all that, just be observation and brilliance, he was pretty much spot on with Evolution and all the scientific disciplines since his time has provided knowledge and evidence that supports his claim

Evolution alone, with its veritable freakshow of fossils, evolutionary deadends, extinctions, ect., discredits the idea of design. Just look at humans. What kind of "designer" would put a sewage plant next to a recreational area?

Yeah, was going to mention that. Some animals eat and shit out of the same hole

 

[Gordy327]

Also, its so incredibly stupid. There is nothing magical about the human eye. Shit, other animals have vastly superior vision of other detection methods then humans.

Also, it is the epitome of dumb to cite Darwin and claim he didn't know. Darwin didn't have the date of the earth, the fossil records, didn't know about genetics and heredity, so claiming something he didn't know is the epitome of dumb. And even without all that, just be observation and brilliance, he was pretty much spot on with Evolution and all the scientific disciplines since his time has provided knowledge and evidence that supports his claim

Yeah, was going to mention that. Some animals eat and shit out of the same hole

What's interesting to note about Darwin is that he was a devout theist, but he was able to separate his religious beliefs from his critical thinking and follow the evidence to where it lead, culminating with his theory of evolution. And he only had direct observations over a geographical area to work with. But like good science, his observations have been repeated and verified and even had more supporting evidence such as fossils and DNA to strengthen the theory, while nothing has since come forth to discredit it in the slightest.

 

[Luce]

Even Charles couldn't explain the evolution of the human eye.


One of the best examples of design within the human body is the eye. Even Charles Darwin struggled with the problem of how to explain how such a complex organ as the eye could have “evolved” through naturalistic processes. In The Origin of Species he wrote:

The Impossible Eye

Seeing is Believing: The Design of the Human Eye If one of your friends asked you, “How do you know God exists?,” what would you say? There are many different ways to prove God’s existence, because God has given us so much evidence. Sometimes we find that evidence in things we see in the...

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Evolution of the Human Eye | Science Facts

Ancient armored fish fossils from Australia present some of the first definite fossil evidence of a forerunner to the human eye.

www.scifacts.net

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

What's interesting to note about Darwin is that he was a devout theist, but he was able to separate his religious beliefs from his critical thinking and follow the evidence to where it lead, culminating with his theory of evolution. And he only had direct observations over a geographical area to work with. But like good science, his observations have been repeated and verified and even had more supporting evidence such as fossils and DNA to strengthen the theory, while nothing has since come forth to discredit it in the slightest.

Yeah, he actually put off publishing Origins of Man for fear of the religious backlash, but finally did so when another scientist was getting close to publishing

 

[Gordy327]

Yeah, he actually put off publishing Origins of Man for fear of the religious backlash, but finally did so when another scientist was getting close to publishing

No doubt there was backlash. Not to mention evolution is one of the most challenged scientific theories. But it has always withstood scrutiny.

 

[Individual]

So, you know what gravity is and from where it is derived?

We do have a good idea from where gods were derived.

 

[Questerr]

You need to put some effort into your own education or you will gain nothing of an eternal value. How many times has the spontaneous development of life been repeated? Archeology is providing more and more that the Bible is not simply a group of made-up stories.

Does the existence of New York City prove that Spider-Man is real?

Just because a story contains SOME true and verifiable information, that doesn’t mean any of the other information in that story is true.

Archaeology proves that Troy is a real city and that it was conquered by an alliance of Greek city-states. Does that mean the Greek gods and demigods described by the Iliad were real?

 

[Questerr]

He doesn't lie anymore than you do. In fact, he has to answer to a much higher authority ----- something you not even consider?

In Fundamentalist Christianity, if one lies in order to get people to believe in Christ and be saved, then that lie is justified. Aka “Lying for Jesus”.

 

[Questerr]

Design and consistencies of nature are proof of a designer. Consistencies meaning if you do this that will happen. Gravity is consistent and yet no one has been able to explain exactly what it is exactly. I guess it's not scientific enough to talk about ---- so why do we?

Similarly, if one was to come across a pothole in the road filled to the top with water, the correct deduction would be that the pothole was painstakingly created specifically with that size, shape, and depth to hold that exact amount of water.

Definitely not that water conformed to the pothole.

Horses must have been designed to pull carts. Carts definitely weren’t created to fit the conditions of horses.

 

[Questerr]

So, you know what gravity is and from where it is derived?

No. And the correct answer in the absence of scientific evidence is “I don’t know”.

It is not “Goddidit”.

 

[mrjurrs]

The case for a CREATOR: As hard as it is for some to swallow, the alternative is a much larger pill.

No. If there is...provide it.

 

[Questerr]

Even Charles couldn't explain the evolution of the human eye.


One of the best examples of design within the human body is the eye. Even Charles Darwin struggled with the problem of how to explain how such a complex organ as the eye could have “evolved” through naturalistic processes. In The Origin of Species he wrote:

The Impossible Eye

Seeing is Believing: The Design of the Human Eye If one of your friends asked you, “How do you know God exists?,” what would you say? There are many different ways to prove God’s existence, because God has given us so much evidence. Sometimes we find that evidence in things we see in the...

hashem.com

You realize basically none of modern evolutionary theory is based on Darwin yes?

 

[LittleNipper]

No. If there is...provide it.

Stainley Miller's experiment is a failure. The environment was designed for biological life and biological life was designed for this environment. And highly detailed biological life occurred as though spontaneous. So there must be a designer and that designer was the Creator, if not so, prove me wrong.

 

[mrjurrs]

Stainley Miller's experiment is a failure. The environment was designed for biological life and biological life was designed for this environment. And highly detailed biological life occurred as though spontaneous. So there must be a designer and that designer was the Creator, if not so, prove me wrong.

Sorry, I left my documents on my fire breathing dragon. Prove me wrong.