Is The Republican Party Anti-LGBTQ?

[Logician Man]

Just wondering people's opinion on a topic that is being discussed. What say you?

Some, maybe most, but certainly not all. I know of at least one Conservative DP member who is openly gay.

 

[btthegreat]

Just wondering people's opinion on a topic that is being discussed. What say you?

This is actually a rather nuanced question. If you want to know the documented answer from a national perspective, the clues to the answer will be sitting in the Republican national platform originally written in Cleveland Ohio in 2016 and revised in 2020. Check the language on LBGTQ issues. As dated as it is, that's the closest thing to an official document representing GOP policy today. Beyond that, you are stuck with a series of hyper-partisan votes in Congress designed to appeal to the base, or Donald Trump, and studying Republican voting behavior of 50 state legislatures. I guarantee you that will lead to very different results in New York, Rhode Island, and California, than you will find in Misssissippi, Florida and Utah. Or I suppose you can use polling data as a snapshot of GOP voters views on policy questions.

I mean to say this question is more complicated than taking media representations of LBGTQ issues through the lens of CNN, and Fox News and it's going to see a lot of space in the GOP between gay / lesbian issues, and transgender issues especially if you subdivide based on age and gender.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Just wondering people's opinion on a topic that is being discussed. What say you?

This is a proven fact. See who wrote and signed Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law, which also applies to lesbians and bisexuals. See who votes for and against bills dictating public restroom usage. It is always Democrats for, Republicans against.

 

[nota bene]

Some, maybe most, but certainly not all. I know of at least one Conservative DP member who is openly gay.

I know conservatives in real life who are openly gay.

And then there are the Log Cabin Republicans: http://logcabin.org/

 

[Old 'N Chill]

In Your Opinion Is The Republican Party Anti-LGBTQ? ​

YES. Those who deny that and say no are also anti-LGBTQ. This question does not even need to be asked, it's obvious to all. Not all republicans, but many, especially the new Trump Cult Party repugs.​

 

[Rexedgar]

I know conservatives in real life who are openly gay.

And then there are the Log Cabin Republicans: http://logcabin.org/

Variation of the old ”some of my best friends are _____________” line.

 

[nota bene]

Variation of the old ”some of my best friends are _____________” line.

Oh, I say this because it's far closer to home, LOL. Try again.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Of course they are. Just look at the party affiliation of posters on this forum, who continually express outrage towards the LBGTQ community.

Good point.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

It should be obvious where the majority of the party stands. They will continue to erode LGBTQ rights or deny them recognition where they can all the while claiming they don't 'hate gays'.

It's the new version of "I'm not racist..."

Yes, they want to erode LGBTQ rights, women's rights, people of color's rights, non-Christian's rights, etc. Most want to make America white, straight and Christian. They would eliminate women, but they need someone to grab by the ***** or rape.

 

[Helix]

I had to think about the best way to answer this question. Here goes.

The Republican party has chosen a strategy of advantage through navigation of wedge issues. The question in the OP is an example. Are all Republicans homophobes and transphobes? No. Many aren't. They are going to vote Republican for other issues, however, and the homophobic and transphobic lean of the party isn't enough to cause them to change their vote. The percentage, whatever that might be, of people who are significantly bigoted and believe that the world has gone down the shitter because gay, on the other hand, might not vote Republican if they perceive the party to be just like the damned liberals on this issue. Therefore, the Republican party will gain more votes than it loses by being effectively homophobic and transphobic. This doesn't mean that it's all purely a mathematical calculation. However, I think that part of it uses that sort of strategy to stir up the base and increase motivation to vote.

 

[Overitall]

I think the GOP is a political party primarily concerned with two things: gaining power, and holding onto power.

And the democrats don't?

When it comes to LGBTQ issues? They have to walk a fine line between mollifying the Evangelicals who are viscerally opposed to homosexuals, and a wider American citizenry who are increasingly supportive/indifferent to them.

 

[trixare4kids]

Just wondering people's opinion on a topic that is being discussed. What say you?

No, I don't think so, though the left loves to pretend that those who don't share their vision for the perfect Utopian universe, aka their politics, are all card-carrying haters, anti-LGBTQ. It's just another phony narrative the left is now pushing because they seek to minimize the right's power. What better way to do it than lie about the enemy?

I am so sick of the left's cornball, divisive bs.

 

[Credence]

While I do think there are GOP and Dem individuals who are anti-LGBTQ; GOP are the ones passing anti-LGBTQ legislation.

There is actually a conservative group pushing back on the GOP legislation also.

Conservatives push back against fellow Republicans' anti-LGBTQ bills​

At least 37 states have introduced some kind of anti-LGBTQ legislation.

A growing number of conservatives are speaking out against the wave of anti-LGBTQ bills being proposed by Republican legislators nationwide.

Conservatives Against Discrimination, a group that aims to protect LGBTQ rights, denounced recent efforts as "dangerous" and have called on Congress to pass federal nondiscrimination protections.

"The inherent American values of freedom, liberty and equality are being placed in jeopardy by activist legislation that usurps local control and the very foundations of families and workplace fairness," the group said in a statement.

Bills restricting gender-affirming care for transgender youth, trans participation in girls' sports and trans bathroom usage as well as bills limiting LGBTQ discussions, books and curricula in schools have been introduced by Republicans in states across the country.

Conservatives push back against fellow Republicans' anti-LGBTQ bills

Some conservatives and Republicans push back against anti-LGBTQ legislation introduced by their peers.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Lycanthrope]

And the democrats don't?

The near constant whataboutism is tedious, and doesn't contribute anything to the conversation anyone didn't already know. Do better.

Your link showing some conservatives pushing back against this new wave of anti-LGTQ among the Republican fringe is directly relevant to the thread topic, and heartening:

In Idaho, the Republican Senate Majority Caucus killed HB 675, which would have banned gender-affirming health care for trans youth.

In Arizona, Republicans stalled or killed several anti-trans bills. A bill that would force transgender people to use bathrooms that align with their assigned sex at birth has been stalled since January.

In Utah, Republican Gov. Spencer Cox has long expressed his plan to veto a ban against transgender girls' participation in sports that align with their gender identity.

In Wisconsin, a bill to ban transgender children from receiving gender-affirming care has been left untouched by the Republican-controlled state legislature.

Well done, conservatives! Now if we can just bring Florida and Texas into the 21st century on this issue.

 

[Overitall]

The near constant whataboutism is tedious, and doesn't contribute anything to the conversation anyone didn't already know. Do better.

The Echo Chamber is next door. Do better yourself.

Your link showing some conservatives pushing back against this new wave of anti-LGTQ among the Republican fringe is directly relevant to the thread topic, and heartening:

In Idaho, the Republican Senate Majority Caucus killed HB 675, which would have banned gender-affirming health care for trans youth.

In Arizona, Republicans stalled or killed several anti-trans bills. A bill that would force transgender people to use bathrooms that align with their assigned sex at birth has been stalled since January.

In Utah, Republican Gov. Spencer Cox has long expressed his plan to veto a ban against transgender girls' participation in sports that align with their gender identity.

In Wisconsin, a bill to ban transgender children from receiving gender-affirming care has been left untouched by the Republican-controlled state legislature.

Well done, conservatives! Now if we can just bring Florida and Texas into the 21st century on this issue.

 

[EdwinWillers]

The really weird thing about it is that it was never an issue until the right made it into one.

Actually, it never really became an issue until homosexuals started actively promoting their lifestyle choices, forcing them on others.

Any "anti-ness" against that is to be expected from the majority of the populace who have their reasons - either for themselves, for their children, or for society in general - not to want the homosexual agenda foisted upon them, either culturally, religiously, or legally.

 

[EdwinWillers]

The near constant whataboutism is tedious, and doesn't contribute anything to the conversation anyone didn't already know. Do better.

Your link showing some conservatives pushing back against this new wave of anti-LGTQ among the Republican fringe is directly relevant to the thread topic, and heartening:

In Idaho, the Republican Senate Majority Caucus killed HB 675, which would have banned gender-affirming health care for trans youth.

In Arizona, Republicans stalled or killed several anti-trans bills. A bill that would force transgender people to use bathrooms that align with their assigned sex at birth has been stalled since January.

In Utah, Republican Gov. Spencer Cox has long expressed his plan to veto a ban against transgender girls' participation in sports that align with their gender identity.

In Wisconsin, a bill to ban transgender children from receiving gender-affirming care has been left untouched by the Republican-controlled state legislature.

Well done, conservatives! Now if we can just bring Florida and Texas into the 21st century on this issue.

...and so you reply with --- whataboutisms.

"Tedious" indeed.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Just wondering people's opinion on a topic that is being discussed. What say you?

Right-wing conservatism is predicated on bigotry.

 

[Lycanthrope]

...and so you reply with --- whataboutisms.

"Tedious" indeed.

How is the post you quoted a whataboutism? I used your link to show appreciation for conservatives who are on the right side of this issue.

 

[armycowboy]

Actually, it never really became an issue until homosexuals started actively promoting their lifestyle choices, forcing them on others.

Any "anti-ness" against that is to be expected from the majority of the populace who have their reasons - either for themselves, for their children, or for society in general - not to want the homosexual agenda foisted upon them, either culturally, religiously, or legally.

Homosexual agenda.

You mean equal rights. How dare they.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Homosexual agenda.

You mean equal rights. How dare they.

Having to see it lived openly the same way straight couples do - gays being affectionate with one another in public (within the same socially accepted boundaries that govern straights), raising children, and otherwise going about their lives with the same freedoms and societal acceptance as straight couples.

Of course, there may well be some culture warriors who see that as tantamount to recruitment - if gay relationships are normalized kids will want to experiment!

 

[WorldWatcher]

Homosexual agenda.

You mean equal rights. How dare they.

"...started actively promoting their lifestyle choices, forcing them on others."

It was OK for religious folks to force their lifestyle choices as an agenda on the gays, some don't see the hypocrisy of statements like this.

WW

 

[The Mark]

Just wondering people's opinion on a topic that is being discussed. What say you?

When they think it will gain or maintain their power.

You see, the Republican party mainly gains it's power by pointing out real or made up things for their voters to fear, then building policies around fighting that fear.

The Democratic party also gains power from fear, and in some cases uses the same methods. Maybe even most.

Each can point at the other as a thing to fear, which help and hurts depending on the situation.

 

[BrotherFease]

I voted "yes" for the poll. Grant it, there are plenty of Republicans who are pro-LGBTQ. The blue state governors of Maryland, Mass, Vermont are pretty good on this issue. Spencer Cox has become a great ally to the LGBTQ community. We had a few Republicans who supported the Equality Act. The state of Utah believe it or not, passed a law banning conversion therapy for minors and has civil right protection laws for sexuality and gender identity. So they are not all terrible on this issue. However, the pro-LGBTQ Republicans are in the minority. Consider the fact (a) The GOP platform still support banning same-sex marriage and gay adoption, (b) GOP leadership opposed the Supreme Court Decision on workplace discrimination based on sexuality and gender identity, (c) This is a political party which champions bathroom bills, blocks the Equality Act from going onto the Senate floor decision, and supports denying transgender people medical care, (d) Refuses to call transgender people by their preferred pronouns, and (e) Completely ignores the neurological science on transgender brains and disagrees with our medical and psychological communities on the nature on transgenderism.

It is pretty clear they have no issue with discrimination based on sex. Don't get me wrong, the tide will eventually change. The GOP should go back to the days of progressive Republicanism, like what we saw with Teddy Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and George H.W Bush. The current state of Republicanism is focused purely on cultural grievances about racism and sexism. There's no forward thinking. It's backwards thinking.

 

[Ethel2]

Of course they are. But hey~ LGBT people shouldn’t feel special. Unless you are a white male the party of exclusion doesn’t want you.