Is the Israeli response "disproportionate"?

[Sir_Alec]

SPeaking of that pic I thought the Israelis used the GALIL instead of the M16

 

[Voidwar]

The artist has apparently never held a rifle

Hes got the wrong arms doin the wrong things

But the message is great !

 

[Goobieman]

SPeaking of that pic I thought the Israelis used the GALIL instead of the M16

I've seen lots of Israelis w/ M16s.

 

[Shayah]

SPeaking of that pic I thought the Israelis used the GALIL instead of the M16

The IDF uses both weapons. The Galil is best suited for a desert environment. The M16 is prefered by the IDF in a lush landscape such as Lebanon.

 

[Navy Pride]

Did I mention anything about Iraq? I'm getting really sick of you bringing this stuff up all the time. No, I'm not saying we should pull out of Iraq! Are you stupid? Can you read? Is there one mention of Iraq in my previous post?

I am trying to make a comparison for you..........It seems you care the innocent children being killed in Lebanon but none for the ones being killed in Iraq and Israel.......

 

[niftydrifty]

Hezboulah hides among Lebanese civilians, knowing that they will die. Whose fault is it said civilians are killed when the Israelis attack Hezboulah?

Why, Israel's, of course.

 

[jamesrage]

Why, Israel's, of course.

I would have to say it is the fault of the individuals who used the civilains as human shields.

 

[Sir_Alec]

I think it goes all three ways: The over-reacting Israeli gov't. The crazy insane genocidal terrorists. The civilians who don't stand up for themselves and force Israel into uneeded action.

 

[niftydrifty]

... but most of all, those that pull the trigger.

 

[SixStringHero]

I call a spade a spade.

If you knowingly set up offensive armaments in civilian populated areas, and said civilians are killed by incoming defensive fire, then their blood is on YOUR hands.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. I don't even know how this is debatable.

 

[jamesrage]

... but most of all, those that pull the trigger.

Are you anti-Israel and anti-war?

 

[mpg]

Why, Israel's, of course.

How could it be Israel's fault?

 

[Sir_Alec]

... but most of all, those that pull the trigger.

Do you really think Israel is the only one pulling the trigger?

 

[SixStringHero]

I keep forgetting that Israeli troops started a firefight with Hezbollah unprovoked and then proceeded to take 2 Hezbollah soldiers ( I use the term loosely) prisoner. :roll:

 

[Shayah]

I keep forgetting that Israeli troops started a firefight with Hezbollah unprovoked and then proceeded to take 2 Hezbollah soldiers ( I use the term loosely) prisoner. :roll:

You also forget that Israel was launching Jericho missiles at Beirut

 

[quatrotritikali]

As long as Israel faces extermination by a determined group of terrorists and Arab nations, I believe Israel must use whatever force deemed necessary to confront the enemy and defend herself.

 

[stone2805]

good accurate and fair minded post

 

[teacher]

Seems to me the term "Proportional Response" applies to a rival fraternity.

Otherwise if truly followed then the Jews will be done when all the enemies are driven into the sea or converted to Judism. Is the intent of the action the determiner or the action itself? Proportional is bullet for bullet. Proportional is for those not solid in their beliefs, their behavior based on world opinion, politics, indecision, timidity, fear, perception, and not goal oriented. It sends a message, does not accomplish a goal, does nothing to address the cause of the initial attack. The Jews would be better off doing nothing than a proportional responce. It tells your enemies you doubt your cause, that you are weak, and adds to his options. Osama attacked because he thought the US of this mindset. The left is proportional responce. Get the Taliban and Osama. And when the nukes come? Tehran for NYC? Tel Aviv for Beirut? W. is addressing the cause. Stay the course. Free the Women.

Good and evil. Right and wrong. This isn't keeping up with the Jones. Mushroom clouds are the outcome for playing tit for tat with this crew.

You people only look at this the way the media tells you to, don't you?

 

[ludahai]

Well then -- what ELSE do you suggest they do?

Don't expect any actual effective OPTIONS from him. The left LOVES to complain how evil and unjust something is without actually offering viable alternatives.

 

[Gardener]

According to the latest Zogby poll, 3/4 of Lebanese support Hisb'Allah. Among Shia, the support is 90 percent. A paltry 6 percent of Lebanese think Hisb'Allah should be disarmed.

In light of the genocidal aims of Hisb'Allah, and the overwhelming support it receives from the Lebanese populace, shouldn't we be reevaluating what we mean by "innocent" as well as "Proportional"?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by ludahai
Don't expect any actual effective OPTIONS from him. The left LOVES to complain how evil and unjust something is without actually offering viable alternatives.

So are you saying that it is better to allow "...evil and unjust..." to continue without ever acknowledging they exist?

 

[Voidwar]

So are you saying that it is better to allow "...evil and unjust..." to continue without ever acknowledging they exist?

What a complete fabrication and twist of intent. :doh

No Billo. He didn't say that. He just said the left loves to complain and has no viable alternatives to offer. You said the rest, in an attempt to strawman ludahai. How bout rather than twist and strawman, you address his contention, that the left loves to complain, but has no viable alternatives to offer. Remember Viable.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Voidwar:
Why don't we just admit that the Lebanese aren't civilians, as they have not displayed the minimum civility required for the label. This civility minimum would be . . .

What the hell do you know about being civil?

Originally posted by Voidwar:
When a fifth of your country starts warring on another country, the DUTY falls on you to WIN A CIVIL WAR, RIGHT NOW.

Now this, I agree with!

Originally posted by Voidwar:
Everyone knows we would Put Arizona [or the fanatical neocon right] Down if they independantly began Firing on Mexico [or Iraq or Afganistan or Iran or Syria or ...] , so why do we give one nugget of slack to the Lebanese when we wouldn't give it to Arizona [or the fanatical neocon right] ? ? ?

Originally posted by Voidwar:
BTW, love the baby carriage pic

Oh, you're just being civil...

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Voidwar:
What a complete fabrication and twist of intent.

You sure are an expert on "fabrication and twists".

Originally posted by Voidwar:
No Billo. He didn't say that.

I know he didn't.

Originally posted by Voidwar:
He just said the left loves to complain and has no viable alternatives to offer.

I know what he f.ucking said! What's going on in your brain that makes you feel the need to explain this to me?

Originally posted by Voidwar:
You said the rest, in an attempt to strawman ludahai. How bout rather than twist and strawman, you address his contention, that the left loves to complain, but has no viable alternatives to offer. Remember Viable.

This has nothing to do with me or ludahai, it's about you and your perception. Why don't you address my contention about him criticizing only one side of the coin, but not the other. If that's what the "LEFT" does, what does the RIGHT do? I don't hear that from him. Nor do I hear it from you.

 

[dragonslayer]

Powell Doctrine
use overwhelming force

I agree that Israel has the right to self defense, and I do believe that they need be allowed to make their Borders safe. What can Israel do to find away to get some peace with the Palestinians and Hezballah. It may be cheaper for all concerned, (American taxpayers and Israeli citizens ) if Israel tried find a way to peace. They no longer fight with Eqypt in Sinai, and Syria in the Golan heights. Why not? We know it is possible.

Bush loves this war in Lebenon. Noboby is paying much attention to Exxon excessive profits and Bush's war. Bush love war and killing doesn't he? Sure seems like it. How we ever got Bush and the Exxon Royal family as our leaders, is a mystery to me.
Every day Bush get up, puts on his cowboy hat, twirls his lasso, and yells, to Cheney, gotta go kill some Ayrabs. yahoo.
What a jerk.