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Is the hatred of the libs justified?

Is the hatred of the libs justified?

  • Yes, libs are evil

    Votes: 10 21.3%
  • No, they're just people like everyone else

    Votes: 30 63.8%
  • Other, specify below

    Votes: 7 14.9%

  • Total voters
    47
What he said:
““Secondly, we’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration — President Obama’s administration before this — we have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

Their excuse:
“It was a slip of the tongue - Biden was describing the voter protection program his campaign has launched in anticipation of potential legal fights over the outcome of the Nov. 3 election against President Donald Trump.”

Ask yourself, would you have let Donald Trump get away with that “slip of the tongue”
(As if anyone didn’t know it was a “senior moment”)
 
If you believe it somehow helps you by misleading with your sig, in every post, re-examine why you're here and what you stand for.

Hint: First three search results; search term = X Factor's sig, in quotes..
Fact check: Clip of Biden taken out of context to portray him as ...
www.reuters.com › article › uk-fact-check-biden-voter-...

Oct 29, 2020 — ... of Joe Biden saying, “We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
Newsmax host recycles out-of-context clip in call for ... - PolitiFact
www.politifact.com › factchecks › jan › greg-kelly › ne...

Claim: Says Joe Biden is on video "admitting to" election fraud in a "confession."
Claimed by: Greg Kelly
Fact check by PolitiFact: False

Viral Posts Take Biden Quote on Voter Fraud Out of Context ...
www.factcheck.org › 2020/10 › viral-posts-take-biden-...

Claim: Former Vice President Joe Biden “admits to voter fraud" in video.
Claimed by: Social media posts

The only thing that is objective fact is whether he said it or not. When “fact checkers” start getting into what he actually meant or what he meant to say, it’s just apologism.
 
What he said:
““Secondly, we’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration — President Obama’s administration before this — we have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

Their excuse:
“It was a slip of the tongue - Biden was describing the voter protection program his campaign has launched in anticipation of potential legal fights over the outcome of the Nov. 3 election against President Donald Trump.”

Ask yourself, would you have let Donald Trump get away with that “slip of the tongue”
(As if anyone didn’t know it was a “senior moment”)

How The Washington Post Fact Checker tracked Trump?s ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2021/01/23

Jan 23, 2021 — Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year.

Batshittery is not a political position or philosophy... if you actually want to be taken seriously,

Donald Trump is an obvious, racist, criminal confidence man, compulsively and serially lying to execute his con. Only those who marvel at the plight of those irresistibly attracted to Donald Trump seem to grasp what I am saying. It's as simple as being irresistibly attracted to a demagogue who approved a policy of separating children of asylum seekers at the U.S. border with the "feature" of not even accounting for their contact info or post separation location, or even showing any concern in response to inquiry by a federal judge, that confirms at least the irrationality of those who defend Trump because they find him irresistible.

Reuters Africa
Explainer: Biden pledged to reunite migrant families separated by Trump policies. What happens now?
U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw, overseeing a case filed by the ACLU in ... In addition, there are about 1,500 separated children who were not included in the judge's ... But Lee Gelernt, the main ACLU attorney in the case, said those ... contact information for 18 of those children to the groups working on ...
12 hours ago


This is an example of rationality....
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-sign-executive-orders-immigration-including-family-reunification-n1256431
This is not! :
"...In college, (Justice Clarance) Thomas believed that the Black Panthers, one of the many groups to claim Malcolm’s mantle, offered “another way.” With their guidance, he helped organize a free breakfast program in Worcester, serving daily meals out of a church to about fifty poor children. He championed the Black Panther leader Kathleen Cleaver and the Communist Party member Angela Davis, who were in flight from the American government because of radical involvements and allegations of criminal activity. When he was asked at his confirmation hearings what he majored in, Thomas said, “English literature.” When he was asked what he minored in, he said, “protest.” His first trip to Washington was to march on the Pentagon and against the Vietnam War. The last rally he attended, in Cambridge—one of the most violent in the city’s history, in which two thousand cops assaulted three thousand protesters—was to demand the release of the Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale and the Panther leader Ericka Huggins. “I was never a liberal,” he said at a talk in 1996. “I was a radical.” Even in his memoir, Thomas refuses to mock the cause. “The more I read about the black power movement,” he writes, “the more I wanted to be a part of it.”
 
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I know who I am... I know, for example, who Bobby Seale and Angela Davis are. Who the hell are Trump or Clarence Thomas? Who the hell are the Trump party adherents who were formerly conservatives? Where is their coherence or consistency?

-snip-
In 1969, I witnessed Bobby Seale being led out, in shackles, of the back of the New Haven court house. I stood among some who were vocally protesting his treatment by authorities. I wasn't yet old enough to shave but I was curious about what it meant to be on the "right side of history" and pay a price for it. Did my proximity put me in the protestors' "camp"? Were the protestors complicit in the offenses Seale was charged with, by protesting his treatment? Nixon thought so, I am certain.
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IOW, I've been at this a long time. My discernment has stood the test of time. Your "delivery" is programmed, IOW, not reinforced by
....
If you attempt to "lump everyone in" who sympathizes with peaceful, BLM protestors with the intent to delegitimize their demands
for equal justice
, you present as incoherent, shrill, and pathetic as Trump.

" Angela Yvonne Davis (born1944) is an American political activist, philosopher, academic and author. She is a professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz. Ideologically a Marxist, Davis was a longtime member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and is a founding member of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS). She is the author of over ten books on class, feminism, race, and the US prison system. ...
...In 1970, guns belonging to Davis were used in an armed takeover of a courtroom in Marin County, California, in which four people were killed. Prosecuted for three capital felonies, including conspiracy to murder, she was held in jail for over a year before being acquitted of all charges in 1972. She visited Eastern Bloc countries in the 1970s and during the 1980s was twice the Communist Party's candidate for Vice President; at this time, she also held the position of professor of ethnic studies at San Francisco State University. Much of her work focused on the abolition of prisons and in 1997 she co-founded Critical Resistance, an organization working to abolish the prison–industrial complex. In 1991, amid the dissolution of the Soviet Union, she was part of a faction in the Communist Party that broke away to establish the CPUSA. Also in 1991, she joined the feminist studies department at the University of California, Santa Cruz, where she became department director before retiring in 2008. Since then she has continued to write and remained active in movements such as Occupy and the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign.

Davis has received various awards, including the Soviet Union's Lenin Peace Prize. Accused of supporting political violence, she has sustained criticism from the highest levels of the US government. She has also been criticized for supporting the Soviet Union and its satellites. Davis has been inducted into the National Women's Hall of Fame.[6] In 2020 she was listed as the 1971 "Woman of the Year" in Time magazine's "100 Women of the Year" edition, ..."
 
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The hatred started in the 80s when it was fashionable to call liberals communists by a B actor who just happened to become POTUS. Then people like Rush made it a money machine. Newt turned it into a way to get power. By the late 90s Pandora's Box had been opened and here we are today. About 40% of us have been trained to hate everyone else. Sad but true.
 
How The Washington Post Fact Checker tracked Trump?s ...
www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2021/01/23

Jan 23, 2021 — Trump made 30,573 false or misleading claims as president. Nearly half came in his final year.

Batshittery is not a political position or philosophy... if you actually want to be taken seriously,

Donald Trump is an obvious, racist, criminal confidence man, compulsively and serially lying to execute his con. Only those who marvel at the plight of those irresistibly attracted to Donald Trump seem to grasp what I am saying. It's as simple as being irresistibly attracted to a demagogue who approved a policy of separating children of asylum seekers at the U.S. border with the "feature" of not even accounting for their contact info or post separation location, or even showing any concern in response to inquiry by a federal judge, that confirms at least the irrationality of those who defend Trump because they find him irresistible.

Reuters Africa
Explainer: Biden pledged to reunite migrant families separated by Trump policies. What happens now?
U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw, overseeing a case filed by the ACLU in ... In addition, there are about 1,500 separated children who were not included in the judge's ... But Lee Gelernt, the main ACLU attorney in the case, said those ... contact information for 18 of those children to the groups working on ...
12 hours ago


This is an example of rationality....
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-sign-executive-orders-immigration-including-family-reunification-n1256431
This is not! :
"...In college, (Justice Clarance) Thomas believed that the Black Panthers, one of the many groups to claim Malcolm’s mantle, offered “another way.” With their guidance, he helped organize a free breakfast program in Worcester, serving daily meals out of a church to about fifty poor children. He championed the Black Panther leader Kathleen Cleaver and the Communist Party member Angela Davis, who were in flight from the American government because of radical involvements and allegations of criminal activity. When he was asked at his confirmation hearings what he majored in, Thomas said, “English literature.” When he was asked what he minored in, he said, “protest.” His first trip to Washington was to march on the Pentagon and against the Vietnam War. The last rally he attended, in Cambridge—one of the most violent in the city’s history, in which two thousand cops assaulted three thousand protesters—was to demand the release of the Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale and the Panther leader Ericka Huggins. “I was never a liberal,” he said at a talk in 1996. “I was a radical.” Even in his memoir, Thomas refuses to mock the cause. “The more I read about the black power movement,” he writes, “the more I wanted to be a part of it.”
”Brain cells died, Biden lied”
 
The only thing that is objective fact is whether he said it or not. When “fact checkers” start getting into what he actually meant or what he meant to say, it’s just apologism.

I mentioned incoherence, and you posted what is displayed above... you don't believe in anything, got it. The listener is free to distort in any way he thinks will promote his political messaging. No rules, the bible of "the church of whatever seems to be working now, to con the marks."

"...In college, Thomas believed that the Black Panthers, one of the many groups to claim Malcolm’s mantle, offered “another way.” With their guidance, he helped organize a free breakfast program in Worcester, serving daily meals out of a church to about fifty poor children. He championed the Black Panther leader Kathleen Cleaver and the Communist Party member Angela Davis, who were in flight from the American government because of radical involvements and allegations of criminal activity. When he was asked at his confirmation hearings what he majored in, Thomas said, “English literature.” When he was asked what he minored in, he said, “protest.” His first trip to Washington was to march on the Pentagon and against the Vietnam War. The last rally he attended, in Cambridge—one of the most violent in the city’s history, in which two thousand cops assaulted three thousand protesters—was to demand the release of the Black Panther co-founder Bobby Seale and the Panther leader Ericka Huggins. “I was never a liberal,” he said at a talk in 1996. “I was a radical.” Even in his memoir, Thomas refuses to mock the cause. “The more I read about the black power movement,” he writes, “the more I wanted to be a part of it.”

In 1971, Thomas entered Yale Law School. One of twelve black students, he was the beneficiary of an affirmative-action program—Yale had decreed that ten per cent of the..."
 
Hate liberals no, leftist, yes.
 
Hate liberals no, leftist, yes.

If you are an American, you've likely never actually been affected by any contemporary, "leftist" legislation or policy, but only the appearance that such a thing is actually happening. So, you can't know what you "hate" if it hasn't actually brought about anything.

"...As time goes on, it has become increasingly more difficult to defend the Democrats from this charge. Due to the nature of the two-party system, each party has an enormous following and includes individuals from completely different backgrounds and points of view. Representative Ocasio-Cortez remarked that in other democratic countries around the world she would never be in the same party as Joe Biden, for instance. Biden’s reluctance to support the Medicare for All initiative is evidence of this fact.

Further, the Democratic Party leadership has decided that the best electoral strategy to win the White House in 2020 is to teeter the line between conservative and liberal. This is especially evident with the recent invitation made to Former Ohio Governor John Kasich (R) to speak at the Democratic National Convention.

As Governor of Ohio, Kasich was integral in the push to cut funding from public schools, dismantle labor unions, and imposing undue burdens on reproductive health leading to roughly half of the abortion clinics closing during his two terms. Yet, due to his outspoken condemnation of President Trump (seemingly the only metric for whether or not you can address the nation’s Democrats), Kasich has been considered one of the best figures to help win in November..."
 
Rush Limbaugh made a fortune by combining a political show with World Wide Wrestling. Politics is boring a.f. so just like World Wide Wrestling, Rush made heroes and villains. Now politics was exciting, his rating skyrocketed.

It's made Limbaugh millions of dollars, and others have copied the format: Hannity, Levine, etc.

But are the libs evil villains? Is Nancy Pelosi evil? Or is she just another politician doing political things?

Is AOC evil? Or is she just one of thousands of politicians, all of whom have different views.

No. I do not hate anyone except those bigots who openly call for the physical extermination of those they deem a danger to society on the basis of ethnicity, religion, consensual sexual preferences or economic class. But I am coolly tolerant to openly accepting of liberals generally. It varies from individual to individual.
 
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Rush Limbaugh made a fortune by combining a political show with World Wide Wrestling. Politics is boring a.f. so just like World Wide Wrestling, Rush made heroes and villains. Now politics was exciting, his rating skyrocketed.

It's made Limbaugh millions of dollars, and others have copied the format: Hannity, Levine, etc.

But are the libs evil villains? Is Nancy Pelosi evil? Or is she just another politician doing political things?

Is AOC evil? Or is she just one of thousands of politicians, all of whom have different views.
Long time ago i thought it was just ribbing, now i know they were always very seriously telling us how they feel.
 
What's the difference?

From my viewpoint, broadly speaking: American liberals are people on the political left who are tolerant of views other than their own across the board, and are open to debating even the most disagreeable views in the marketplace of ideas. American leftists are people on the political left who cannot stand any form of political dissent (including from those who vote as they do), characterizing people who hold such dissenting views as being harmful bigots or cleaving to regressive ideology making room for harmful bigots who need to be removed from social participation either by legislation where they can get away with it, or economic pressure where they cannot.
 
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Sorry, I was busy making concrete milkshakes.

What was the question again?
 
Sorry, I was busy making concrete milkshakes.

What was the question again?


Make mine a strawberry, Luce, would you?
 
I don't hate liberals...they are just easy to manipulate and somewhat miss guided. The MSM and big tech is having a field day doing actually that.
 
Much of this hate just comes from talk radio pointing to boogeymen.
 
From my viewpoint, broadly speaking: American liberals are people on the political left who are tolerant of views other than their own across the board, and are open to debating even the most disagreeable views in the marketplace of ideas. American leftists are people on the political left who cannot stand any form of political dissent (including from those who vote as they do), characterizing people who hold such dissenting views as being harmful bigots or cleaving to regressive ideology making room for harmful bigots who need to be removed from social participation either by legislation where they can get away with it, or economic pressure where they cannot.
To me, the Left is a very broad term and encompasses everyone from center left to far left....from Blue Dogs to Progressives and everything in between.

But yes, I know what you mean....I have many friends on the left that don't like their views challenged....Bernie supporters, mostly.
 
I think both sides have moved away from the concepts of "conservative" and "liberal".
Both political polarized sides in the US have become incredibly anti-liberal. To the point that the very definition of liberalism seems to be lost on everyone.
Similar is true for the current republican understanding of what the definition of conservative is.

It used to be that both democrats and republicans could agree that liberalism is a **good** thing...

Liberalism:
Political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power.
 
Everyone doesn't like liberals. Conservatives because they think they're communists. Communists, because they consider them traitors and lackeys of the bourgeoisie. The clergy, because the liberals stand for perversions. Fascists, because they despise them as weaklings. Who else... I think it is enough, It's clear, no one likes liberals.
 
Now imagine if I gave you a list of Republicans that I would call stupid, corrupt or senile. Would you say I was being hyper-partisan?

Certainly there are some republicans I would put on that list as well. I am not a republican or democrat. I do not have a high level of respect for either party. As a conservative independent, I do consider the republican party as the lessor of two evils and vote accordingly, though I only vote for republicans who are actually conservatives. I do not vote for the RINOs. I mentioned Dopey Joe and Nancy Drunklosi because they are in charge of the government at this time.
 
So what is it about liberal politics you despise?

I could write a book on that, however I will just give you a few examples and hope you objectively consider them. What the liberals have done to the inner cities over the last six decades with the so-called Great Society programs is repugnant and shameful. It is largely responsible for the chronic poverty and high crime rates that still exist today. The way the libruls play the race card is also repugnant. One example of that is claiming that Voter ID laws are racist. Then there is the healthcare system. Instead of working with their opposition towards a market based health insurance system that actually makes health insurance affordable, they went with a party line reconciliation vote on Obamacare which is a quasi government takeover of the healthcare system. They basically blew up the middle class for the sake of subsidizing low income citizens who already had options such as Medicaid and free clinics.
 
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