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Is the Fair Tax a Good Tax?

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I have been reading the Fair Tax Book by Neil Boortz. Mr. Boortz, through wit and research, attempts to make an argument for an alternative to our current tax system. Any argument started with "our current tax system is not good" will win every time. But is the Fair Tax a "good" alternative? As a rarity among conservative Republicans, I would say no.

As a matter of fact, any system where you are forced to spend money on items that do not affect your own self-interest is hard to label "good". For example, if you are forced every morning to fill up your neighbor's SUV with your own gas money, you would hardly call that good. In the same way, when our tax system takes 35% of one person's income to pay for the healthcare of an illegal immigrant, it is hard to call that system "good".

In addition, a system where you have to pay hundreds of dollars to file a tax return, so that a large percentage of your tax money can be eaten up in government bureaucracy is not "good". So it is easy to say that our current tax system is not "good". But is the Fair Tax any better? For those of you who don't know what the Fair Tax is, I would recommend Mr. Boortz' book. Unfortunately I don't have the space here to familiarize you with it.

So why would I, a Conservative Republican, not think the Fair Tax is any better than our current system? There are four reasons. First, it will not be any easier to comply with. Second, it will not make our system any fairer or reduce the abuses it is subject to. Third, it will encourage government control in our lives. And fourth, it will not solve the real problem. Let me take these points somewhat one by one, although you will see they bleed into each other:

Right now for all tax purposes, we file a variety of tax returns throughout the year, but for federal purposes we file quarterly payroll returns, an annual Unemployment return, a corporate/partnership return and a personal income tax return. These returns range from two to many pages long depending on the schedules, credits, and so on that we use. They are complex and many times have rules written by politicians in attempts to win political votes. Will the Fair Tax be easier? I have a slight knowledge advantage over Mr. Boortz in this area simply because I have probably filed about 300 more sales tax returns than he has. I am a tax professional in Florida. We have a sales tax in Florida and every month, every retail business and rental business is required to file a sales tax return. They are only one page long. Why do I file them? because we have local rates as well as state rates and I have seen several clients attempt to file these returns on their own and completely botch them. This is just on a one page return. A national sales tax return would probably have one page just to list the necessities that are exempt. Where would they come from? See points two and three.

So now we have gone from an annual income tax return and quarterly payroll tax returns to monthly consumption tax returns. Here is also where the first and second point blur together. In a perfect world, with true conservative Republicans in charge, and money being spent for constitutional purposes, a Fair Tax might look in 5 years what it was originally designed to look like. We do not live in a perfect world.
For example: how long would a democrat majority allow every American, including Bill Gates, Brad Pitt, and John Kerry to get a monthly check from the government for basic living expenses as Mr. Boortz suggests?
How long would our elected officials stay in office if they made people making $10,000 a year pay the same 23% consumption tax as people making 10 million a year?
I would give the Fair Tax 3 years with a Republican government, 3 months with a Liberal one, before we have bracketed sales tax rates, an IRS to figure out your income and net worth, and credits depending on income levels. In case you haven't figured it out, that puts us back at square one.

Same point, different angle: How long will the consumption tax on Toyotas and fords be the same if we have a speaker of the house from Detroit? how long will the consumption tax on ethanol and gasoline stay the same? How about priuses and SUVs? We can see where this is going....straight into the third point.

Right now the government has certain controls over our lives. Tax policy governs how much money we make, and they take a percentage if we make too much. Tax policy also encourages such things as IRAs, Mortgages over renting, HSAs, etc. The government has put itself in a position where it can have some influence on our lives by taxing what we earn. Look at investments after Bush lowered the tax on dividends and capital gains. Now the Dow is over 13,000.

The only way the government could have more fiscal control, short of socialism, is by taxing how we spend our money instead of how we make it. If the consumption tax on fluorescent light bulbs is 10% and 50% on old fashioned light bulbs, which will you buy? If the senator from Idaho sees a shortage in potato crops, and the senator from New York needs the senator from Idaho to vote on say a troop withdrawal time line, how long will the consumption tax on potatoes remain at 23%?

And finally, the Fair Tax does not solve the real problem. It is revenue neutral. It is like replacing a Sponge-bob band aid with a Spiderman band aid and saying "there, all better". The real problem is that the government is spending so much money that we would even need to take 23% of your expenditures in taxes. Constitutionally, the US government should be spending on protecting the US, standardizing weights and measures among states, and promoting the general welfare (not the welfare state). If the government could stay within those boundaries, we could go back to a 5% flat tax on the middle class and higher and be all set. I wish I could go into all of these points more, but I doubt half who started reading this are still with me, so I will stop here.

Sincerely,
Friday
 
Good Post Friday, and I read it all the way to the last drop

I agree with you regarding the plan Boortz is stumping for, I like Boortz, but the tax plan is hooey.

I think a flat income tax at 20%, NO deductions for anything, is plenty of money for the government to play with.
 
Your core point is very true. Any tax system, regardless of the specifics behind it, will be corrupted by our politicians for their own uses. Income tax could be as simple as using a logistic function to determine your tax rate. No credits, deductions, or any of that other stuff. You put down your income for the year and you pay the appropriate amount of tax. Simple clean and easy. That however is not in the interest of our current politicians and thats why we have the horrible system we have today.

Filing your taxes today requires complicated software, accountants and lawyers. Something as crucial as filing taxes should not be so insanely complicated. In our system, people who are truly honest still mess up trying to pay taxes. Unless the voters decide to push for a tax system that they can understand, any system, regardless of its nature will be corrupted. Money is in favor of the complexity, only the American voter can ever stand in its way.
 
To a certain extent, our current system is not at all complicated. "Whoa, what? are you off your rocker Mr. Friday??" Well, if you think about it, you could take your assets at the beginning of the year and subtract them from your assets at the end of the year and for most tax payers that would give you a basis for taxation. Where it gets complicated is every line on the return after "gross income". This is where politicians (perhaps rightfully so) have decided that you should have deductions, exemptions, credits, self employment taxes, AMT, capital gains rates, brackets, and so on. Then the politicians decided that teachers should get special deductions, and people who fix the insulation in their houses should get special credits, and kids should knock 3,300 off your tax return each and so on. Every system will have these issues, whether you tax the money coming in or the money going out. I think voters can and should vote for simplification reforms, but on the other hand voters will also vote for the politician who tells them he can get them more credits and deductions.
 
Heh, typical drivel about the Fair Tax from a tax worker wanting to keep his job, although I don't blame him. It wasn't just Boortz who wrote the FairTax book. It was also written by John Linder (R-GA). And they got the idea from a whole workforce of economists who obviously know what they are talking about. But don't take my or their word for it.

Find out for yourselves, go to Americans For Fair Taxation: FairTax.org
Ask questions, get answers. The Fair Tax can and will work. The politicians just walk all over us today because the people allow it. They won't fudge with the 23% sales tax rate if we don't let them.

Here is also a 18 minute video about the FairTax:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwuS9VCPmb0

Watch it and learn something. It's not as bad as Friday is making it out to be. It can be regualted, but we would have to vigilant and knock back the political hounds who would try to raise it.

I'm a BIG supporter of this so I can answer most questions.
 

We can believe that about as much as we believed that Congress wasn't going to fudge with the tax code after the code was simplified in 1986.

Tax simplification is a great idea. But to trust the same politicians who endlessly tinker with the current tax code to suddenly change their ways because we switch to a sales tax is unrealstic.
 
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I do -- in the video the Fairtax folks claim that after a 30% sales tax is added, the price of new homes will go down. Please explain how the price of homes will go down when a 30% sales tax is added.
 

We don't have to trust those politicians. We can vote in new people. Like Ted Kennedy for instance. The Massachusettians keep voting that guy in. Isn't there a term limit? There should be.

It's called taking action, contacting your elected officials. I do it every week. I tell what I want done or what I want them to stop doing. I know I'm only one voice, but if everybody actually paid attention and did something about it, we'd have the cleanest gov't in the world.

Like in the Republican Primary I'm voting for Tom Tancredo. He probably doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell, but at least I can say that I voted for someone who supports/or is against everything that I support/or am against. And I've done my research, I know all about the guy. I trust him to be president.

You and everyone else should do the same. Actually research who you're voting for. Get to know their character. If they seem shady, don't vote, pick someone else.

Tancredo supports the FairTax (or something like it) by the way.

I think it's a genious plan, as long as you have the right people running it. And it's only NEW goods that are taxed. Anything USED or PREVIOUSLY OWNED is TAX FREE!!! More people can afford cars (although that may piss off the environmentalists :mrgreen: ). A NEW house is only taxed ONCE. Once the first buyer sells it, the second buyer pays no taxes what so ever, because the house is "Previously Owned". And the Taxes are only collected once.

That 23% tax rate the book shows, that could actually drop to about 20-21% in 5 years. As far as paying the taxes, it's easy to do and hard to avoid. Everyone will pay taxes, even tourists from foreign countries. The more new items you buy, the more taxes you pay. So the rich will be paying into the taxes alot more than Willie Welfare down the street, who in return might get a bigger welfare check.

And the Fair Tax is embedded, not added. So if you buy a $30,000 car, it's not $30,000 PLUS a 23% tax. The 23% tax is already embedded into the price of the car. Under our current tax code, that $30,000 car (with the current FL sales tax of 7%) will cost $32,100 at the register. Under the FairTax you save $2,100. And actually, without corporate taxes that $30,000 car might be able to drop to, I'm guessing, $26,000.

It just seems to me that only the uneducated (one's who don't know much or anything about the FairTax, which isn't really their fault), the IRS, Lobbyists, corrupt politicians who benefit off of the current tax code and the rich are against such a novel idea. But once in place (of which it's soon) if Americans stick together there is no way the politicians will be able to fudge it up. Especially with guys like Bill O'Reilly watching their every move. lol
 
I do -- in the video the Fairtax folks claim that after a 30% sales tax is added, the price of new homes will go down. Please explain how the price of homes will go down when a 30% sales tax is added.

Well, there is no tax on the labor to build the home, there is no tax on the construction license, the is no property tax, no corporate tax, and no estate tax further on down the road. With those taxes gone, it'll go down. And the Sales Tax isn't supposed to be added, it's supposed to be embedded. So your new $200,000 home will only cost $200,000, not $260,000; which is what it would be if the tax was added, but it's not. Besides, the New home is only taxed ONCE! when you move out Homer Homebuyer comes along to buy it, the home will only be worth $140,000 (which is the $200,000 minus a 30% sales tax); give or take a couple thousand, which depends on how greedy the seller is

And over time, with a growing economy the prices of alot of things will go down. COMPETITION makes prices go down. Like Company A and Company B both sell Widgets. CA sells its widgets for $100. CB sells its Widgets for $98. CA not wanting to be outdone sells its Widgets for $95 now. Thus Gaining more customers, because most people buy the cheaper item. (Company A and Company B both sell 100% Grade A Widgets, just for the record ).
 

No need for aggression, we are all friends here. I can assume from your post that you have read Mr. Boortz' book? Then you know that the income tax started as a 5% flat tax on the rich and nothing more.

I agree with you, in fact I even said in a perfect world where Republicans won every election cycle, it'd work out great! As long as they are Reagan conservatives, not Hagel/McCain rinos.

But seriously, what safeguard is going to be put in place to make sure the rate stays at 23%? What safeguard is going to keep the rate the same for milk and bread as it is for ferraris and hottubs? Do you really think an elected official will not vote to stop bill gates from getting his monthly tax rebate?

You posted alot of links, but you did not address any of my arguments. I've read his book. I still am not convinced. All the Fair Tax does is put the entire reporting burden on the retail industry and restart the whole complication by legislation process. Except this time we have experience. I'm not joking when I give it less than 3 years before we are throwing our hands up complaining how complicated the Fair tax, with all it's exemptions and allowances, really is.

Yes I prepare taxes. Every year I prepare income taxes. Every month I prepare sales taxes. If the Fair Tax is enacted, I will not be out of a job, I just will have steady work throughout the year instead of a rush from January through April.
 

My aggresson wasn't purposely directed at you, per se. Just tax people in general, I hope you understand why, lol. And yes I've read the book and I plan to read it again until it's memorized.

I think the book said the Department of the Treasury will take responsibility for receiving taxes and making sure they get paid.

Once again, like the book says, if the politicians play with the tax rate, that will be our fault, the voters. We have to stay vigilant and tell Washington "No more! LISTEN TO US FROM NOW ON!" Besides, they play with the tax rate now, but that's because people aren't paying attention. If I can contact my senators and representatives so can everyone else.

The Exemptions and the montly check kinda confused me a bit. Another reason I want to read that chapter again... So give me a day or two to answer that one.
 
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Don't worry, no offense taken. I don't charge the taxes, I just file the returns (and hopefully save people money).

So what would be the difference between the IRS and the US Treasury when it comes to collecting the taxes? Would the US Treasury take it on faith when Grocery Store A says "why yes, we only had $100,000 in sales, and no cash sales". There would be audits with the new system like we have audits now, but they would be on businesses, family size and up, instead of individuals. That is, until they start altering your rebate check or percentage based on your income.

Take your time with these questions. I am not deadset against the idea of a Fair Tax, I have just not had it explained to me in such a way that it would be a huge improvement. If you can do that, I will be very thankful, although as was my original point, I doubt we will every have a tax system people will call "good".
 

All well and good, I don't disagree. I question whether it is a realistic assumption that with the passage of the Fairtax folks will suddenly change the way politicians are elected or operate.


Which certainly makes used goods priced relatively much lower than new goods. To the extent that used goods are priced as a substitute for new goods, used prices will increase to some extent too, giving current owners a windfall. But the relative effect will be that new stuff costs relatively more, which one might expect will have a dampening effect on new purchases. Of course, falling demand for new stuff is a negative on the economy.

That 23% tax rate the book shows, that could actually drop to about 20-21% in 5 years.

I've read the book. Other than vague explanations, I've never seen a specific description of exactly how or why that would happen. And of course, a 20-21% drop in prices means that prices overall will still be higher after a 30% sales tax is added on.


To an extent. If the rich buy a multi-million dollar mansion, they pay no tax either.

And the Fair Tax is embedded, not added. So if you buy a $30,000 car, it's not $30,000 PLUS a 23% tax.

The 23% tax is already embedded into the price of the car. Under our current tax code, that $30,000 car (with the current FL sales tax of 7%) will cost $32,100 at the register. Under the FairTax you save $2,100. And actually, without corporate taxes that $30,000 car might be able to drop to, I'm guessing, $26,000.[/QUOTE]

Or more accurately, it is a car that costs $23,000 before the fairtax, and costs $30,000 after the fairtax. So you are really getting a $23,000 car + 30% sales tax = $30,000 you pay.


Hmmm. It seems to me that only those who are fooled by the fairtax folk's misimplications that promote it based upon what they claim.

But once in place (of which it's soon) if Americans stick together there is no way the politicians will be able to fudge it up. Especially with guys like Bill O'Reilly watching their every move. lol

Ha ha sure.
 

Well, now you have the IRS AND the Dept. of the Treasury. Get rid of the IRS and you got half the bills to pay.
How can I explain this..... hmm
Of course "good faith" ain't the answer. I think I found an answer in the FairTax book, although I wish it would explain it better.


So as you can see, the more taxes a business/state turns in, the higher the percent of the taxes they get to keep. So if Birdy Bob's Pet Store collects $15,300 of sales taxes, Birdy Bob gets to keep $38.25. That's good enough to buy dinner for 2 at Red Lobster, but hey. It just might be an incentive to be truthful on your taxes when handing them over to the state. But if the state collects $230,000,000 in sales taxes, it gets to keep $57,500. That's enough to buy some new text books for a school or pave a road or two. But these are collected once a month I think. so $57,500 X 12 = $690,000. Enough to build a small daycare center albeit. (And just for s**ts and giggles... $38.25 X 12 = $459.... 12 DINNERS FOR 2 AT RED LOBSTER :mrgreen: )

I hope this helped to explain the collection process.....
 
Originally Posted by Iriemon
I do -- in the video the Fairtax folks claim that after a 30% sales tax is added, the price of new homes will go down. Please explain how the price of homes will go down when a 30% sales tax is added.

Well, there is no tax on the labor to build the home

OK. Businesses currently pay 7.8% Fica taxes on labor, so that saves them 7.8% of the cost of labor in building the home.

there is no tax on the construction license

These are state taxes; unchanged by the fairtax.

the is no property tax

These are state taxes, unchanged by the fairtax.

no corporate tax
Corporate taxes are about 2% of GDP; so on average corporations will save about 2% of the value of goods produced, with which they could lower prices assuming that none of that savings is used for profits or investments.

and no estate tax further on down the road.
Estate taxes are not paid by corporations; their is no cost savings to businesses by elimination of this tax.

With those taxes gone, it'll go down.

Well, you've identified 7.8% from payroll taxes (and we'll assume that that savings is included in the cost of all labor and supplies (which is not quite true), so we'll apply it to the total costs of goods and services as opposed to just labor costs) and about 2% from savings on corporate tax.

Where is the rest of the 23% cost reduction coming from?

And the Sales Tax isn't supposed to be added, it's supposed to be embedded.

Not sure what you mean. State taxes aren't changed by the fairtax.


So I pay 200,000 for a new house, that is only worth on the resale market at $140,000, and that is supposed to be a good thing for me?

And over time, with a growing economy the prices of alot of things will go down. COMPETITION makes prices go down.

We already have COMPETITION and a growing economy that makes prices as low as the market allows. The fairtax doesn't change anything in that regard.


That is how it works now. CA already sells its widgets for $95. The fairtax is not going to make companies more competitive than they are now.
 
All well and good, I don't disagree. I question whether it is a realistic assumption that with the passage of the Fairtax folks will suddenly change the way politicians are elected or operate.

Usually the power of Prayer works.... lol




Used cars today are priced relatively low. My brother bought a used 95 Taurus for $6,000 a few years ago. He's lucky if he can sell it for $1,200 now.




No no, you misunderstand. The FairTax would be set at a 23% rate, but it could drop to a 20-21% rate. I don't know where this 30% thing is coming from.



Iriemon said:
To an extent. If the rich buy a multi-million dollar mansion, they pay no tax either.

Only if it's used they don't pay a tax. If the mansion is new they pay a tax. And I forgot to mention that services are taxed too, so the real estate agents that the rich hire, they'll have to pay a sales tax for the service.



Iriemon said:
Or more accurately, it is a car that costs $23,000 before the fairtax, and costs $30,000 after the fairtax. So you are really getting a $23,000 car + 30% sales tax = $30,000 you pay.

No no, once again you misunderstand, perhaps I didn't explain it correctly, oh well. But the Car in my example costs $30,000 under the current tax code. Under the FairTax it may cost the same, $30,000. But the difference is under the current system you're paying the embedded taxes (corporate taxes and the like) plus a state sales tax, which is added to the $30,000. Under the FairTax the sales tax is embedded into the $30,000 not added to it. Under both systems the car is $30,000 alone, but under the current system there is a sales tax added (not embedded) to that $30,000 car which makes it more expensive under our current system, not the new one. Besides, the FairTax would make room for a business to be able to lower their price, so the car may end up at like $26,000 overall. Just subtract 23% from 26,000 and that's how much taxes goes to the state. ($5,980 goes to the gov't; $20,020 goes to the company under the FairTax).
 

It's not quite that simple. Florida, for example, imposes a sales tax on all goods sold, new or used, end product or not. So now retailers need to be able to calculate whether the fairtax applies to new versus used goods. Not a problem for many, I agree.


Then you have the end purchaser problem. Only final products are taxed. So rather than paying $2500 for a new computer and paying a 30% tax, I'll set upon Iriemon, Inc. and buy components tax free.

Now, with a 7% sales tax, this effort may not be worth it. But with a 30% tax (plus the 7% state tax), now were talking about several hundred dollars saved on the price of a computer.

And then there is the black market. If I want a widget that Bob sells and I have a zidget that Bob wants, maybe we'll just barter rather than make a sale that is charged with a 30% tax. And maybe if I am an unscrupulous seller, I sell my products under the table at a lower prices that undercuts the price with the tax, saves the buyer some money and I make more money.

How about overseas purchases? No tax on exports, the proponents say. So goods can be sold to a retailer in Canada, and that retailer can turn around and offer it to Americans thru the internet at 30% less than the American retailer. How do you think American retailers will fell about that? So we need an entire enforcement system to make sure people who buy foreign goods pay a tax as well, by inspecting all packages that come into the country to make sure taxable items are taxes -- that is what they do in Europe.

How is all these kind of black market transactions to be avoided?

Instead of the IRS, well have the FRS, which will be tasked with the job of policing all this stuff. That means that producers will have to keep detailed accounting records of exactly what they produced, obtained, and sold, and to whom they sold it to prove that the taxes were properly paid. And we will need an army of FRS agents to inspect all these companies' books and inventroies to make sure they are not selling under they table.

Are we talking about compliance costs yet?

Then we start getting into the grey areas. Take the company car. Is that a taxable sale? Yes? But wait a minute, if the car is purchased as a means to produce a good or service, then it is exempt under the fairtax. So then we have tax lawyers and Congress writing tons of laws trying to define exactly what types of products are end products (subject to the tax) or not.

Another example -- investments aren't taxed. Education expenses are already a loophole built in to the fair tax, so the tinkering process is built in. A stock is an investment, no tax. OK, so how about I buy that shiny new sailboat I've wanted, and use it for charter purposes a couple times a year. That's an investment too, isn't it? Is that taxed? I buy my wife an expensive gold chain. Isn't gold an investment? No tax!

More rules, lawyers, laws loopholes.

Shall I go on?
 

I admittedly don't have all the answers here. Maybe you should direct them to the website to see if they can answer them if you really want answers.

But about that $200,000 house. You don't have to sell it for $140,000. You can sell for what ever the market allows. Which could be $210,000, I dunno. All I'm saying is that when you sell it there won't be a tax on it for the new buyer. They won't have to pay a tax on it. Besides, it's a used house, probably has marks on the walls, might smell like cat piss on the inside, cuz obviously you own a cat, there might be scuffs on the floor. But even if you clean all that up, the bottom line is, it's still a used home. I live in a used home and we're still fixing it up from the last owners.

Basically everything under the Fair Tax would be the same as under the current system, except everyone gets a prebate check in the mail. Everything will be slightly cheaper, there will be more room for compititon, it'll bring American companies back home, and there is little chance that someone can skip their taxes. And those that do skip will be punished harshly Im sure. Look what happened to Martha Stewart.
 
 

Jesus Christ! Where to begin.....

Well, for something to go on the black market it has to be bought somewhere. You just don't pull a pc out of your ear. So the Black Market people have already paid the sales tax IF bought in the US. If bought overseas then it was probably taxed under whatever tax code the country has where the items were purchased. (For anymore on this I strongly suggest you read Chapter 10 again in the FairTax Book. It explains all that well enough, I just can't find a way to summarize it at this time.)

Investments aren't taxed, but SERVICES are. So if you want to charter you lil ship? Fine, but you have to collect taxes from what ever you charge. You gave a $100 ride? Give $23 bucks to the state if the fairtax is at 23%. and don't forget to apply for a business license, as a photographer I had to.
 
 
Jesus Christ! Where to begin.....

No, its the Devil that is in the details.

Well, for something to go on the black market it has to be bought somewhere. You just don't pull a pc out of your ear. So the Black Market people have already paid the sales tax IF bought in the US.

No, black market people have not already paid a sales tax even if bought in the US. LocalTractorCo makes and sells tractors. It pays no tax on component parts, because only end products are taxed. Localtractorco sells tractors at its store for $4000 each. For store sales, a 30% ($1200) sales tax is added, for a total price paid of $5200 for the tractor, and the $1200 tax is collected and paid to the Govt. (The $1200 = 23% of the after tax prices of $5200, that is how the fairtax folks call it a 23% tax).

TownTractorCo accross the street is a competitor and sells its tractors at the same price. But Jim, LocalTractorCo's owner, is not very scrupulous. He goes to the flea market and makes under the table deals. He makes secret sales to folks and sells them tractors for $4600. That saves the purchaser $600, and Jim pockets an extra $600. The Govt is screwed, and so is TowntractorCo which loses sales.

How do does the Govt stop that?


Could be, but I'm sure that US sellers would not be happy to have to add 30% to their price when the dealer in Canada doesn't.

A new car here goes for 20,000, which after the 30% (or more) fair tax costs $26,000. If I live anywhere near Canada, I'll goup and by the car there for $20,000 and drive it back, smiling at the $6000 I've saved. Or hell, I just hire one of the Canadians to do it for me.

US sellers aren't going to put up with that. How do you prevent that kind of tax avoidance transaction, that really hurts American sellers?


LOL -- no problem! I've saved $120,000 on a new $400,000 boat, and in exchange I have to sent the Government $23 bucks for the ride. That's a lot of rides to make up the difference! Of course, I really don't want to give rides at all, I just want to avoid the tax. So maybe I give one ride a month. That gives the Govt 23*12= $276 in tax revenue a year. Meanwhile, I'm smiling at the $60,000 I've just avoided paying.

How is the Govt going to stop that kind of scheme?

You didn't address my other examples, but that's OK.
 
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Damn it!

Read page 185:

There is no 30%. It's 23%. It's plain and simple. Re-read chapter 15 too.

"spend $100 and $23 goes to the federal government. The FairTax replaces the cost of the embedded tax in our goods and services caused by our current tax code. We've run the calculations over and over, and $23 out of $100 comes out to 23 percent, not 30 percent, every time...."

Un-huh. You spend $100 for a widget and the tax is $23, right? That meant before the tax, the cost of the widget was only $77, right? What percentage is the $23 tax of the $77 widget?
 

I'm not sure how they'll stop that IF it even happens, which it probably could. But the Black Market is a problem toaday. They'll figure out how to stop it, one way or another. I just don't have an answer right now.

And I didn't address your other examples because I don't have answers for those either. Just ask fairtax.org they may have answers, and ones that might be less confusing.
 
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