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Is the criminal justice system systematically biased against males?

Is the criminal justice system systematically biased against males?


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Despite being roughly half of the population, there's a much higher percentage of men being arrested, prosecuted, and incarcerated for crimes than woman. I'm pretty sure men are far more likely to be shot by police, as well. In fact, I can thing of only one recent story where a young woman was shot and killed by police (admittedly, though, I haven't looked at any actual stats on this particular issue). Does all this tend to prove that the system is rigged against males?


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Despite being roughly half of the population, there's a much higher percentage of men being arrested, prosecuted, and incarcerated for crimes than woman. I'm pretty sure men are far more likely to be shot by police, as well. In fact, I can thing of only one recent story where a young woman was shot and killed by police (admittedly, though, I haven't looked at any actual stats on this particular issue). Does all this tend to prove that the system is rigged against males?


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I voted Other. Meant to vote Yes. It's obvious. Women make up roughly 50% of the population. In almost all crime categories except prostitution, men are arrested 80% of the time. Females 20% of the time. No question that law enforcement and our entire justice system has a systemic problem with gender bias.
 

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My first wife bore a resemblance to Barbie.

She'd been pulled over numerous times and received numerous warnings from Leos. When I got popped for a DWI, two blocks from my home, the Cop determined that she was sober enough to drive my truck the rest of the way. We had had about the same amount of alcohol to drink. Truck was a standard shift which she didn't know how to drive.

But she made it! No sense in both of us going down.

That was 25 years ago.
 

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Look no further than child custody awards, child support, divorce settlements and alimony demands. Guys have traditionally gotten screwed big time being regarded as nothing more than a money pump. They may not be criminals, but they sure are made to pay like one by the courts.
 
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There may be a bit of bias but my guess is the larger culprit is testosterone.
 

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Despite being roughly half of the population, there's a much higher percentage of men being arrested, prosecuted, and incarcerated for crimes than woman. I'm pretty sure men are far more likely to be shot by police, as well. In fact, I can thing of only one recent story where a young woman was shot and killed by police (admittedly, though, I haven't looked at any actual stats on this particular issue). Does all this tend to prove that the system is rigged against males?


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I voted Other. Meant to vote Yes. It's obvious. Women make up roughly 50% of the population. In almost all crime categories except prostitution, men are arrested 80% of the time. Females 20% of the time. No question that law enforcement and our entire justice system has a systemic problem with gender bias.

I fixed the count error for you. I instead voted for yes and not other.
 

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I voted Other. Meant to vote Yes. It's obvious. Women make up roughly 50% of the population. In almost all crime categories except prostitution, men are arrested 80% of the time. Females 20% of the time. No question that law enforcement and our entire justice system has a systemic problem with gender bias.

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Based on thirty years as a cop I have two comments. One is that the criminal justice system is not biased against males. It is horribly biased in favor of females but that has little effect on males. It definitely has an effect in rape cases and child abuse cases but most of the time there is no element of male vs. female.

Secondly, I wonder where the break is in the phrase criminal justice system. Is it the criminal justice-system or is it the criminal-justice system. Whatever it is, the goal has absolutely nothing to do with justice. Victims routinely get victimized again.
 

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If you look at the sentences men and women get for committing the same crime you can easily see there is a difference between them. If it is bias or not I will leave to someone else to answer.
 

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Despite being roughly half of the population, there's a much higher percentage of men being arrested, prosecuted, and incarcerated for crimes than woman. I'm pretty sure men are far more likely to be shot by police, as well. In fact, I can thing of only one recent story where a young woman was shot and killed by police (admittedly, though, I haven't looked at any actual stats on this particular issue). Does all this tend to prove that the system is rigged against males?


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Also we'll serve more time for the same crime.
Gender discrimination at it's finest.
 

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My first wife bore a resemblance to Barbie.

She'd been pulled over numerous times and received numerous warnings from Leos. When I got popped for a DWI, two blocks from my home, the Cop determined that she was sober enough to drive my truck the rest of the way. We had had about the same amount of alcohol to drink. Truck was a standard shift which she didn't know how to drive.

But she made it! No sense in both of us going down.

That was 25 years ago.

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Based on thirty years as a cop I have two comments. One is that the criminal justice system is not biased against males. It is horribly biased in favor of females but that has little effect on males. It definitely has an effect in rape cases and child abuse cases but most of the time there is no element of male vs. female.

Secondly, I wonder where the break is in the phrase criminal justice system. Is it the criminal justice-system or is it the criminal-justice system. Whatever it is, the goal has absolutely nothing to do with justice. Victims routinely get victimized again.
That's pretty much where I was going, but the two are just semantics differences. Bottom line: treatment is unequal.

Differences in treatment in things like family court, and even being arrested in domestic disputes has narrowed somewhat over the last few decades, but the general leniency for women still remains.
 

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OP premise is ridiculous.

The y-chromosone maddened, testosterone-crazed male sex is indisputably responsible for 75% or more of all crime, especially violent crime. This has been true in all societies throughout history.

The sad thing is that not enough of these homicidal male bastards are getting caught: there have been over 200,000 unsolved murders since 1980, and God knows how many other unsolved crimes are on the books- tens of millions? On top of everything else there are even unreported violent crimes, especially rape. The vast majority of all this mayhem is caused by men.

We need to lock up more criminal male bastards. A lot more. Not less.
 

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I dare , foolishly ? , to think that woman is simply less rebellious than man . This is probably changing as we ''progress'' .
 

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Look no further than child custody awards, child support, divorce settlements and alimony demands. Guys have traditionally gotten screwed big time being regarded as nothing more than a money pump. They may not be criminals, but they sure are made to pay like one by the courts.

Off-topic.

OP focuses on the criminal justice system.
 

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That's pretty much where I was going, but the two are just semantics differences. Bottom line: treatment is unequal.

Differences in treatment in things like family court, and even being arrested in domestic disputes has narrowed somewhat over the last few decades, but the general leniency for women still remains.

Really? I've been out of the system and out of the country for quite some time. Have attorneys quit having the women routinely make bogus reports of abuse of the children by their husbands? Are men now given an equal shot at custody? When I'd left they'd quit awarding alimony but had really just renamed it maintenance. Is that discontinued now? And, are wives who ignore visitation requirements from the court dealt with as harshly as men who ignore child support requirements from the courts?
 

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Societal attitudes, from both men and women, still give women a break in many situations. It filters down into police responses, and if this is the common civilian attitude, then it's going to filter down into juries and trials, as well.

Example: Just a couple weeks ago a local woman... a country court judge, no less... was arrested for domestic assault after she repeatedly hit and threw a water bottle at her husband. It had come out that he cheated on her. (Somebody else called police as the incident was happening.) Supposedly, the only reason she was arrested was because the water bottle hit him in the face and caused (minor) damage.

By far, the most common comments I heard and read, from both men and women, were things like, "he's lucky that's all she did to him", "I don't blame her", "but he cheated on her", "but she's a woman, she couldn't do much damage anyway", "he deserved it", and on and on.

Anybody with open eyes knows that, if the situation had been reversed, he NEVER would have gotten such apologist attitudes. A virtual lynching would have been called for. (Some of the people who made comments above work in my office and, knowing them well, I am confident they would not have responded equally.)

People making points about equal treatment for the offender were few.
 

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Really? I've been out of the system and out of the country for quite some time. Have attorneys quit having the women routinely make bogus reports of abuse of the children by their husbands? Are men now given an equal shot at custody? When I'd left they'd quit awarding alimony but had really just renamed it maintenance. Is that discontinued now? And, are wives who ignore visitation requirements from the court dealt with as harshly as men who ignore child support requirements from the courts?
I sense, by your questions, that you didn't understand my comments.
 

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OP premise is ridiculous.

The y-chromosone maddened, testosterone-crazed male sex is indisputably responsible for 75% or more of all crime, especially violent crime. This has been true in all societies throughout history.

The sad thing is that not enough of these homicidal male bastards are getting caught: there have been over 200,000 unsolved murders since 1980, and God knows how many other unsolved crimes are on the books- tens of millions? On top of everything else there are even unreported violent crimes, especially rape. The vast majority of all this mayhem is caused by men.

We need to lock up more criminal male bastards. A lot more. Not less.

Everything you say is true, more or less, and totally irrelevant. A man kills his wife and he will often commit suicide because he knows he'll be spending at least most of the rest of his life in prison. The woman knows she'll get a lot of sympathy and probably probation. And the unreported forcible rape reports are possibly topped by the false reports of rape.

Plus, catching criminals isn't the criminal justice system. Once they're caught, the criminal justice system releases them as soon as possible. I had a case where a college student was raped by a 50-year old neighbor who broke into her house, beat her, and raped her. He was arrested and hauled off to jail. Two days later she called in a panic. He was back home, sitting on his porch making obscene gestures when she came home from class.

Oh, right, out of bail. And he's innocent until proven guilty. So what to do? The advice from the DA? Have the girl move. The system is as non-functioning as the Chicago school system and for the same reason.
 

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Everything you say is true, more or less, and totally irrelevant.
No it is not irrelevant. OP considers higher male conviction rates to be evidence of bias. But evidence establishes that men do, in fact, perpetrate crime at much higher rates than women.


A man kills his wife and he will often commit suicide because he knows he'll be spending at least most of the rest of his life in prison.
If true not evidence of bias, and totally irrelevant.

Furthermore, those who don’t commit suicide deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. Furthermore, I would be happy if all of the bastards committed suicide. Then they would no longer be a threat to innocent people, and would no longer be expensive wards of the state.


The woman knows she'll get a lot of sympathy and probably probation.
Probation only for a murder conviction? I don’t think so. Of course if she was being physically abused by the almost inevitably much stronger male then she would deserve sympathy, and might well beat the rap, with good reason.


And the unreported forcible rape reports are possibly topped by the false reports of rape.
Not a chance.


Plus, catching criminals isn't the criminal justice system.
Yes it is: investigation, arrest, prosecution, and prison are all functions of criminal justice.


Once they're caught, the criminal justice system releases them as soon as possible. I had a case where a college student was raped by a 50-year old neighbor who broke into her house, beat her, and raped her. He was arrested and hauled off to jail. Two days later she called in a panic. He was back home, sitting on his porch making obscene gestures when she came home from class. Oh, right, out of bail. And he's innocent until proven guilty. So what to do? The advice from the DA? Have the girl move. The system is as non-functioning as the Chicago school system and for the same reason.
You have pulled the rug out from under yourself. This is case of flagrant bias in favor of the male criminal, and flangant bias against his female victim.
 

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No it is not irrelevant. OP considers higher male conviction rates to be evidence of bias. But evidence establishes that men do, in fact, perpetrate crime at much higher rates than women.



If true not evidence of bias, and totally irrelevant.

Furthermore, those who don’t commit suicide deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison. Furthermore, I would be happy if all of the bastards committed suicide. Then they would no longer be a threat to innocent people, and would no longer be expensive wards of the state.



Probation only for a murder conviction? I don’t think so. Of course if she was being physically abused by the almost inevitably much stronger male then she would deserve sympathy, and might well beat the rap, with good reason.



Not a chance.



Yes it is: investigation, arrest, prosecution, and prison are all functions of criminal justice.



You have pulled the rug out from under yourself. This is case of flagrant bias in favor of the male criminal, and flangant bias against his female victim.

I would respond but you took sentence by sentence and failed to understand any of it.

You assume that men are convicted of more crimes because they commit more crimes. In some categories, such as rape, it's quite true. In others, it's not at all true. Child abuse is not the province of mostly male criminals but females more often than not get a pass. I worked on cases where the man was being abusive and the mother was complicit. The man does time the woman waits for him to get out and takes him right back.

Oh, and I never said, women get probation for a murder conviction did I? I said they got probation for killing, murdering, their husbands. But, the bias starts incredibly early. The woman who shot her husband in the head while sleeping wasn't even going to be prosecuted. No trial. Nothing. I spoke with the DA. "Pat, you wouldn't believe what than man did to that woman in the bedroom."
"Oh, I might. Any witnesses?"
"No, of course not. Just the two of them."
"Well, did she complain about what was happening to her friends at the time?"
"No, she was embarrassed."
"Did friends or family notice bruises or cuts or scrapes who even Ms. Smith having trouble walking or moving?"
"No, no, none of that."
"How about medical reports. Visits to the doctor. Injuries consistent with the abuse she reports?"
"No, never saw a doctor for the abuse."
"Any Polaroids, audio tapes, anything like that?"
"No, no, nothing like that."
"Okay, Steve, I don't believe it."
"Pat, she wouldn't lie about something like that."
"Why not, Steve? She shot him in the head twice while he was asleep. She found out from the insurance agent that she couldn't collect his life insurance if she killed him so she had him drop her as a beneficiary. Who knows, Steve, she might tell a friggin' lie."
"I think she's telling the truth."
"Tell it to the reporters, Steve." Well, Steve didn't want to tell it to the reporters. So, he charged her with a laundry list and shot for voluntary manslaughter. He got it. Funny thing. He never had the insurance agent testify in court about her asking about being a beneficiary or having her husband drop her from the policy.

Women get a ride from the court over men. That doesn't mean the system that is designed to benefit lawyers and crooks doesn't sometimes screw women, too, like the rape victim.

But the fact is, men and women charged with the same crime, similar evidence, get totally different treatment from what is called the criminal justice system. More than that, they get totally different treatment from society in general. "Oh, a mother wouldn't do that." Nonsense. I've known mothers who tortured their children and that wouldn't be the liberal definition of rudeness being torture.
 
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