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Is the Constitution strong enough to survive the current Supreme Court?

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I'm not going to provide a lot of background on this one, to keep the discussion as open as possible, but my premise, essentially, is this: the current SC majority is actively hostile to basic tenets of the Constitution, from separation of powers to separation of church and state, including basic civil rights, democratic voting, equality under the law, and so many others. The floor is open.
 
There's a difference between not ruling the way you want and threatening the Constitution. I don't recall the Supreme Court threatening Congress if they don't pass laws that they like, but that's exactly what Congressional Democrats have done:

Senate Democrats... have launched an unprecedented attempt to actually bend the Supreme Court to their wishes — threatening to restructure the court if the justices do not rule as they see fit.

The threat came over the Supreme Court’s decision to hear a challenge to New York City’s restrictions on how gun owners who have residential permits can transport their guns. In a legal brief, Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) argued that the case against New York was moot because it had rescinded the gun regulations in question. Fair enough. It is perfectly fine for the senators to make legal arguments in a legal brief to the court.

What is not acceptable is openly threatening the court with political retribution if it does not rule a certain way. That is precisely what these Senate Democrats did. “The Supreme Court is not well,” they wrote. “And the people know it. Perhaps the Court can heal itself before the public demands it be ‘restructured to reduce the influence of politics.’ ”


That's hostility to separation of powers.
 
I'm not going to provide a lot of background on this one, to keep the discussion as open as possible, but my premise, essentially, is this: the current SC majority is actively hostile to basic tenets of the Constitution, from separation of powers to separation of church and state, including basic civil rights, democratic voting, equality under the law, and so many others. The floor is open.
Moreso than it would be with more Democrat appointees, who actually don't see it as their job to maintain and support the Constitution. Leftist judges think it's their job to change with the times, which is specifically not their job.
 
Moreso than it would be with more Democrat appointees, who actually don't see it as their job to maintain and support the Constitution. Leftist judges think it's their job to change with the times, which is specifically not their job.

Every country changes with the times or the UK would still have all the laws from the middle ages.
Why would stagnation in law be a good idea?
 
Every country changes with the times or the UK would still have all the laws from the middle ages.
Why would stagnation in law be a good idea?
Because stagnation of the law isn't a concern of the courts. The courts are an institution of the status quo. It's the job of the legislature and the states to change the laws and the makeup of the Constitution. They are the ones that make laws that change things, but it does have to follow the Constitution. Then, if they want even greater change, then it has to be done via constitutional amendment, which is done by the legislatures and the states as well.

The Supreme Court does not have the authority to make defacto constitutional amendments via activist rulings.
 
I'm not going to provide a lot of background on this one, to keep the discussion as open as possible, but my premise, essentially, is this: the current SC majority is actively hostile to basic tenets of the Constitution, from separation of powers to separation of church and state, including basic civil rights, democratic voting, equality under the law, and so many others. The floor is open.
Imo, the Roberts Court will likely be remembered as being actively hostile to individual rights. I have hope that this will spur Congress to do what they are running out of time to do. Figure it out D's.
 
The Supreme Court does not have the authority to make defacto constitutional amendments via activist rulings.
And yet, that's exactly what this court is doing. You're not paying attention, or too bound up with ideological purity to care. The Supreme Court Is Putting Democracy at Risk (NYT, Opinion, Subscription). "In two disturbing rulings closing out the Supreme Court’s term, the court’s six-justice conservative majority, over the loud protests of its three-liberal minority, has shown itself hostile to American democracy." That's not hyperbole.

In numerous recent decisions, most specifically Shelby County, and yesterday's Brnovich, they gutted the voting rights act. Neither of those decisions are dictated by, or frankly consistent with, the Constitution, and represent unprecedented judicial activism, comparable to the infamous Dred Scott decision. Again, not hyperbole. They are creating judicial law out of whole cloth.

Similarly, in Citizens United and now Americans for Prosperity v. Bonta they have created judicial doctrine that strikes down fundamental public laws based upon a judicially created fiction at odds with 250 years of precedent. That is per se judicial activism, yet won't generate any complaint from so-called conservatives. Conservative Judicial Activism: The Politicization of the Supreme Court Under Chief Justice Roberts (Whitehouse, Harvard Law and Policy Review). "A troubling and unmistakable trend has developed over several decades, and accelerated in recent years, of extreme judicial activism within the conservative bloc of Justices on the Supreme Court—reaching a new pinnacle under Chief Justice John Roberts.
The Court’s recent activism has advanced a pro-corporate agenda at the expense not only of injured Americans, but also of fundamental democratic institutions. The Court has exposed our elections to corruption and eroded fundamental protections, such as access to the ballot box. It has weakened the role of the civil jury, a constitutional institution intended to ensure equality before the law and an important check in our unique American system of separated powers."

Senator Whitehouse is far from alone in that concern.
"By the first decade of the twenty-first century, liberals—who were now almost all Democrats—had become deeply concerned about how conservative majorities on the Rehnquist and Roberts Courts used judicial review. They attacked judicial supremacy and increasingly argued for judicial restraint.4 Conversely, conservatives—who were by now almost all Republicans—emphasized the importance of courts in protecting federalism, religious liberty, and other import Reciteant conservative constitutional values." Why Liberals and Conservatives Flipped on Judicial Restraint: Judicial Review in the Cycles of Constitutional Time (Jack M. Balkin, Texas Law Review). "If the Court accepted nothing but commercial-speech, campaign-finance, and federalism cases, conservatives and Republicans would appear to be aggressive judicial activists, and liberals defenders of a modest, deferential judiciary." They've completely rewritten decades of Constitutional interpretation and precedents, and obliterated others in decisions like Hobby Lobby, in church-state separation, and Heller-McDonald's interpretations of the Second Amendment.
 
Oh, yes, the Constitution is strong enough to "survive" this Supreme Court.

But, sadly, it will NOT survive the next Supreme Court that is packed with Obama and Clinton supporters.
 
Every country changes with the times or the UK would still have all the laws from the middle ages.
Why would stagnation in law be a good idea?

That (bolded above) is not the issue - the issue is allowing laws (and/or executive orders) to violate (supersede?) the constitution.
 
The Constitution is strong because of this Supreme Court. Old Joe's version? not so much.
 
I'm not going to provide a lot of background on this one, to keep the discussion as open as possible, but my premise, essentially, is this: the current SC majority is actively hostile to basic tenets of the Constitution, from separation of powers to separation of church and state, including basic civil rights, democratic voting, equality under the law, and so many others. The floor is open.


Yes.


I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

SCOTUS seems right about in the middle, a little left of center, if anything.

They extended the Equal Opportunity Act to gays for example. Now gays can sue if they feel they are discriminated against.


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And yet, that's exactly what this court is doing. You're not paying attention, or too bound up with ideological purity to care. The Supreme Court Is Putting Democracy at Risk (NYT, Opinion, Subscription). "In two disturbing rulings closing out the Supreme Court’s term, the court’s six-justice conservative majority, over the loud protests of its three-liberal minority, has shown itself hostile to American democracy." That's not hyperbole.
Opinion noted and dismissed. No data supports the gnashing of teeth the left always goes into on this subject. If anything, the data shows the opposite.
 
Yes.


I'm not sure what you're complaining about.

SCOTUS seems right about in the middle, a little left of center, if anything.

They extended the Equal Opportunity Act to gays for example. Now gays can sue if they feel they are discriminated against.


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That's not going to last long. You're not paying attention. There's a lull and a con game going on while they line up the next outrages. There's nothing "moderate" about the revanchist cabal in control. Thomas is becoming normalized. If you think they're in "the middle", you have a seriously warped sense of perspective.
 
Imo, the Roberts Court will likely be remembered as being actively hostile to individual rights. I have hope that this will spur Congress to do what they are running out of time to do. Figure it out D's.
It may be too late already. They've shown no compunction about striking down legislation that doesn't comport with their views. The ACA is only an exception because they haven't had time to consolidate their power base. Give it time.
 
The OP is merely butt-hurt because the Supreme Court sided with Arizona and election integrity, and against leftist filth seeking to further corrupt the election process. The very last thing Democrats want are "free and fair" elections, as they have repeatedly demonstrated by violating their own State election laws.
 
Moreso than it would be with more Democrat appointees, who actually don't see it as their job to maintain and support the Constitution. Leftist judges think it's their job to change with the times, which is specifically not their job.
Democrat justices almost always vote for their party's interest. GOP appointees are well known for voting against the GOP's interests
 
That (bolded above) is not the issue - the issue is allowing laws (and/or executive orders) to violate (supersede?) the constitution.
And yet, the "conservative" (a misnomer) majority is not fussed about maintaining the status quo of decades and even centuries of understanding of these "constitutional principles". That is the true threat - and ironically what actual conservatives are concerned about. Stare decisis is of no moment to Thomas, Alito, Barrett or Gorsuch. Perhaps a bit more to Roberts and Kavanaugh, but only marginally. When, for example, the Court is willing to jump into agency makeup or authorities is demonstrably dependent on whether right-wing policies are advanced thereby. When appointees are Republicans, those principles don't seem to create a problem, but when the agency head is a Democrat, well... that structure becomes untenable. It's a consistent pattern. The same is true about separation of powers. Few Republican enactments raise "constitutional concerns" but Democratic enactments are immediately addressed - even when the underlying principles are the same. For example, the "separation of powers" or "regulatory authority".

These are serious concerns, and should not be swept under the rug. Next Term is going to be a barnstormer, now that Barrett has gotten through her rookie season. Hobby Lobby, Heller, Brnovich and Americans for Prosperity v. Bonta are templates for future activism. As new statutes are passed by Democratic majorities they will step in more and more. None of those cases represent any kind of previous "understanding" of how the Constitution applied to the issues. They are pure judicial activism.
 
I'm not going to provide a lot of background on this one, to keep the discussion as open as possible, but my premise, essentially, is this: the current SC majority is actively hostile to basic tenets of the Constitution, from separation of powers to separation of church and state, including basic civil rights, democratic voting, equality under the law, and so many others. The floor is open.
Take a refresher course in American government, pay attention especially to Separation of Powers and get back to us when you can discuss the constitution rationally.
 
Imo, the Roberts Court will likely be remembered as being actively hostile to individual rights. I have hope that this will spur Congress to do what they are running out of time to do. Figure it out D's.

Such intellectual dishonesty. You are asking the democrats in congress and the president to pack the SCOTUS just for the sake of getting decisions likeable to the democrat party. Study "Separation of Powers".
 
Every country changes with the times or the UK would still have all the laws from the middle ages.
Why would stagnation in law be a good idea?
Nothing wrong with changing with the times. However, it's the legislature's job to pass legislation to do that, not the judicary's.
 
Such intellectual dishonesty. You are asking the democrats in congress and the president to pack the SCOTUS just for the sake of getting decisions likeable to the democrat party. Study "Separation of Powers".
Never said to pack the court. After the last SCJ confirmation, R's have abdicated any ability to complain about court packing. I will say that the court has changed numbers in the past. It is also the branch in SoP that has the least 'touch' with their constituents. So, after the obvious politicization of the Article 3 branch during the last administration, the pendulum is starting to swing back.

Looking forward to your SoP discussion regarding McTurtle and djt packing the courts at all Federal levels.
 
Never said to pack the court. After the last SCJ confirmation, R's have abdicated any ability to complain about court packing. I

The republicans did not pack the court. They merely took advantage of the three vacancies that came up while Trump was president.. Packing the court would have been passing a bill to add more justices then the current nine.
 
I'm not going to provide a lot of background on this one, to keep the discussion as open as possible, but my premise, essentially, is this: the current SC majority is actively hostile to basic tenets of the Constitution, from separation of powers to separation of church and state, including basic civil rights, democratic voting, equality under the law, and so many others. The floor is open.
Perhaps you should provide "background" to give some backbone to your bullshit accusation.
And how are textualists "actively hostile" to the Constitution which they regard as sacrosanct, as opposed to the usual lefties who impose their woke agendas on our founding document?
 

The Supreme Court’s Conservatives Have Laid the Groundwork for the Devastation to Come (Dahlia Lithwick, Slate)

In many ways the 2020 term at the Supreme Court followed the progression of the coronavirus. There were different phases and stages, distinct strains and variants; there was death and grief and new life and rebirth. And through it all there was gaslighting and denial. Until about a week ago, we heard a lot of media stories of a confounding and unpredictable court, with improbable lineups and unlikely bedfellows. And sure, there has been a lot of that. But Thursday saw a change in narrative with the thunking down of two cases that seemed to poke at the very fabric of democracy; a one-two punch that took aim at Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act and the ability to challenge election laws that burden racial minorities, and seemingly opened the floodgate to unaccountable and untraceable dark money flooding into a system that is already drowning in it. It almost defies comprehension that a Supreme Court that devoted so much energy, all year long, to appearing removed from partisan politics, chose the very last day of the term to let us know that when the rubber hits the road, partisan politics is what matters.
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Roberts, Kavanaugh, Barrett, and sometimes Gorsuch play the long game. They may each serve on the bench for decades to come. This term, they began to set the table. But apart from Brnovich, the cases were appetizers. The main course will arrive in the coming years. It was always silly to expect a monumental shift during Barrett’s first eight months on the bench. She may well hold this seat well into the 2050s. And by going big in cases that undermine democracy, she and her conservative colleagues have bought themselves more time to dismantle the other remnants of progressive jurisprudence.
 
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