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Is the Civil War Over?

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Is the Civil War Over?

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2015/07/14/is-the-civil-war-over-n2024855

By Thomas Sowell
July 14, 2015, 6

In the wake of the recent murders in a South Carolina church, the killer’s hope of igniting a race war produced the opposite effect. Blacks and whites in South Carolina came together to condemn his act and the race hate behind it.

Some saw in the decision to remove the Confederate flag from in front of the state house a symbolic repudiation of the old South’s racial past — and the end of the Civil War. But, unfortunately, wars do not end until both sides decide that it is over.

The black parishioners who expressed forgiveness toward the killer did more than most of us could do, and the whites who responded with solidarity did their part. Note how quickly this was done, by ordinary people of good will — black and white — without the “help” of racial activists like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.

Professional race hustlers have no incentive to see our current civil war end. They see in this shooting only an opportunity to escalate their demands.

Now there are rumblings of demands that statues of Robert E. Lee and other Southern leaders be destroyed — and if that is done, it will only lead to new demands, perhaps to destroy the Jefferson Memorial because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. And if that is done, no doubt there will be demands that the city of Washington be renamed, for the same reason.

In short, there is no stopping point, just unending strife as far out as the eye can see. And just what will that accomplish? It could ultimately accomplish the killer’s dream of racial polarization and violence.

Neither blacks nor whites will be better off if that happens. With all the very real problems in this society, can we really spare the time and the wasted energy of trying to refight a Civil War that ended before our great-grandparents were born?

The past is irrevocable. We cannot change the smallest detail of what some people did to other people after both have gone to their graves.

Meanwhile, the old South has already changed. There is no way that the South of the mid-twentieth century would have elected a woman of Indian ancestry to be governor of South Carolina or a man of Indian ancestry to be governor of Louisiana, much less have Southern states that voted for a black President of the United States.

Perhaps the strongest evidence of the changes is that the black migrations out of the South a hundred years ago have now reversed — with younger and better educated blacks leading the new migrations from the North to the South. When people vote with their feet, that tells us a lot more than any polls.

If the past is out of our hands, what is in our hands today are the present and the future — and both have big challenges. Whatever policies or practices we consider need to be judged by their actual consequences, not by their rhetoric.

“Hate crime” laws are on some people’s agenda. But what will such laws actually accomplish? A murderer deserves the death penalty, whether he killed someone of a different race or killed his own twin brother. All that “hate crime” laws can do is provide the murderer’s lawyer with another ground on which to appeal the conviction or the sentence.

Trying to make up for the past with present-day benefits has a track record that shows many counterproductive consequences.
Click link above for balance of article.
What happened to Marin Luther King statement “not the color of skin, but the content of character”? Obama and Eric Holder had created an environment, with the help of the mainstream media that foster division among us. Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased. This political racial manipulation by the liberals is reminiscent of the racial manipulation by the Southern Segregationist of the Democratic Party. The phrase “United we stand, divided we fall”, which became a rallying cry for the Union cause, shall be our motto today.
 
[FONT=&]What happened to Marin Luther King statement “not the color of skin, but the content of character”? Obama and Eric Holder had created an environment, with the help of the mainstream media that foster division among us. Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased. This political racial manipulation by the liberals is reminiscent of the racial manipulation by the Southern Segregationist of the Democratic Party. The phrase “United we stand, divided we fall”, which became a rallying cry for the Union cause, shall be our motto today. [/FONT]

What a crock of ****.
 
[FONT=&]What happened to Marin Luther King statement “not the color of skin, but the content of character”? Obama and Eric Holder had created an environment, with the help of the mainstream media that foster division among us. Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased. This political racial manipulation by the liberals is reminiscent of the racial manipulation by the Southern Segregationist of the Democratic Party. The phrase “United we stand, divided we fall”, which became a rallying cry for the Union cause, shall be our motto today. [/FONT]

Let's assume you're right and we are more divided today since Obama took office. You don't seem to be taking the whole picture into consideration when you make this comment. Correlation is not causation.
 
[FONT=&]What happened to Marin Luther King statement “not the color of skin, but the content of character”? Obama and Eric Holder had created an environment, with the help of the mainstream media that foster division among us. Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased. This political racial manipulation by the liberals is reminiscent of the racial manipulation by the Southern Segregationist of the Democratic Party. The phrase “United we stand, divided we fall”, which became a rallying cry for the Union cause, shall be our motto today. [/FONT]

Ask the GOP leadership group that met the night before Obama was first inaugurated and decided that from the very first day, they would all oppose everything that Obama tried to do, no matter what it was that he tried to do.
 
Ask the GOP leadership group that met the night before Obama was first inaugurated and decided that from the very first day, they would all oppose everything that Obama tried to do, no matter what it was that he tried to do.

Led by Majority Leader Eric Cancer--Mr. False Equivalency.

Who got beat by the nobody TEA turd Brat in last year's primaries.

Eric is now a Wall Street lobbyist and formerly the only Jewish GOP Congressman.

Run out of office due to being demonized by the TEAts on trying a tiny baby step on immigration reform. After which the GOP completely shut down any talk of IR ..
 
There has never been an end to the MENTAL Civil War--not since the physical civil war ended--not since the tariff of abominations--not since the Constitution was signed (or not signed)--not since the American Revolution--pitting Loyalists against Patriots ..
 
Led by Majority Leader Eric Cancer--Mr. False Equivalency.

Who got beat by the nobody TEA turd Brat in last year's primaries.

Eric is now a Wall Street lobbyist and formerly the only Jewish GOP Congressman.

Run out of office due to being demonized by the TEAts on trying a tiny baby step on immigration reform. After which the GOP completely shut down any talk of IR ..

Yep. And I didn't realize Cantor had been beat. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
 
I wish King wouldnt be so revised...
 
What a crock of ****.

Sweet pickles are made in a crock...it's a 14 day process.

I knew this young guy from my youth, who was so addicted to these things, he would eat them all day long....he was nicknamed the crocksucker. True story.
 
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Let's assume you're right and we are more divided today since Obama took office. You don't seem to be taking the whole picture into consideration when you make this comment. Correlation is not causation.

Try this on......................

Protesters Greet Obama in Oklahoma Waving Confederate Flags — and Demonstration Organizer Is Black

President Barack Obama was greeted at his hotel in Oklahoma City Wednesday night by protesters proudly displaying Confederate flags.



Protesters Greet Obama in Oklahoma Waving Confederate Flags ? and Demonstration Organizer Is Black | TheBlaze.com
 
What happened to Marin Luther King statement “not the color of skin, but the content of character”? Obama and Eric Holder had created an environment, with the help of the mainstream media that foster division among us. Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased. This political racial manipulation by the liberals is reminiscent of the racial manipulation by the Southern Segregationist of the Democratic Party. The phrase “United we stand, divided we fall”, which became a rallying cry for the Union cause, shall be our motto today.

Politics is full of puppets or "parrots" like Obama who repeat things they don't want to think about, but want to know is correct.

This is YOUR time to discuss the topic you repeated, " Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased."

Where did blacks lose ground and drive up racial tensions because of Obama?

I know you said under, I'm just having fun with you.
 
Southerners will always remember that chance. If only Ewell had pressed the fight on the left, late on the first day of Gettysburg, and taken Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill, everything would have turned out differently. If Stonewall Jackson had not died from the wound he received at Chancellorsville only a couple months earlier, he would have commanded that corps, and not Ewell--and Jackson would have pressed the fight until he had won all that high ground, even if the Devil himself had stood in his way.

After the first day, the Union forces occupied Cemetery Ridge, and that put an end to Confederate hopes. But the South would probably have won Gettysburg that first day if Jackson had been there--the Union right had been broken, and the rout was on. It was because the Confederate left paused, late on that first day, that the Union forces were able to fortify the high ground, and after that the Southerners' prospects of victory evaporated.

The war will never truly be over, at least in the imagination of anyone who appreciates the valor of the Confederate forces. No one can point to any finer infantry in all the history of warfare. Even if they had no shoes, blisters, dysentery, painful wounds, no food of sleep during the past couple days, and were filthy and exhausted from an all-night forced march in pouring rain, they still fought like all hell when called upon. Courage and dedication always deserve respect, whatever the cause men are fighting and dying for.
 
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Sweet pickles are made in a crock...it's a 14 day process.

I knew this young guy from my youth, who was so addicted to these things, he would eat them all day long....he was nicknamed the crocksucker. True story.

Wonderful.

I find, personally, sweet pickles to be disgusting. I've always been a dill man, myself. I even buy dill relish for my hot dogs and burgers.
 
Southerners will always remember that chance. If only Ewell had pressed the fight on the left, late on the first day of Gettysburg, and taken Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill, everything would have turned out differently. If Stonewall Jackson had not died from the wound he received at Chancellorsville only a couple months earlier, he would have commanded that corps, and not Ewell--and Jackson would have pressed the fight until he had won all that high ground, even if the Devil himself had stood in his way.

After the first day, the Union forces occupied Cemetery Ridge, and that put an end to Confederate hopes. But the South would probably have won Gettysburg that first day if Jackson had been there--the Union right had been broken, and the rout was on. It was because the Confederate left paused, late on that first day, that the Union forces were able to fortify the high ground, and after that the Southerners' prospects of victory evaporated.

The war will never truly be over, at least in the imagination of anyone who appreciates the valor of the Confederate forces. No one can point to any finer infantry in all the history of warfare. Even if they had no shoes, blisters, dysentery, painful wounds, no food of sleep during the past couple days, and were filthy and exhausted from an all-night forced march in pouring rain, they still fought like all hell when called upon. Courage and dedication always deserve respect, whatever the cause men are fighting and dying for.

If the Rebs were so awesome, they wouldn't have lost. There was no conceivable way the South was going to win their littke insurrection to defend slavery.
 
To address the OP, the reason a lot of black folks are pissed off, rightfully in most cases (although that doesn't excuse rioting) has little to nothing to do with Obama.
 
To address the OP, the reason a lot of black folks are pissed off, rightfully in most cases (although that doesn't excuse rioting) has little to nothing to do with Obama.

There is no reason for them to be pissed off at whitey anymore, the only thing holding them down now is the "N" culture that so many of them embrace. If they want equality they need to ask the disgruntled among them to pull their damn pants up, speak proper English and drop the thug attitude.
 
There is no reason for them to be pissed off at whitey anymore, the only thing holding them down now is the "N" culture that so many of them embrace. If they want equality they need to ask the disgruntled among them to pull their damn pants up, speak proper English and drop the thug attitude.

Tell that to someone who has been pulled over for the heinous crime of Driving While Black.

If you're claiming systemic, institutional racism no longer exists, you're wrong.
 
Me either....quoting a Commie is just wrong.

Actually was a socialist but not a communist.
But I know. Since he was a leftie we have to hate him, right?
 
[FONT=&]What happened to Marin Luther King statement “not the color of skin, but the content of character”? Obama and Eric Holder had created an environment, with the help of the mainstream media that foster division among us. Under the Obama administration blacks have lost ground and racial tensions had increased. This political racial manipulation by the liberals is reminiscent of the racial manipulation by the Southern Segregationist of the Democratic Party. The phrase “United we stand, divided we fall”, which became a rallying cry for the Union cause, shall be our motto today. [/FONT]

Sowell said:

Meanwhile, the old South has already changed. There is no way that the South of the mid-twentieth century would have elected a woman of Indian ancestry to be governor of South Carolina or a man of Indian ancestry to be governor of Louisiana, much less have Southern states that voted for a black President of the United States.


He got that right.
 
Try this on......................

Protesters Greet Obama in Oklahoma Waving Confederate Flags — and Demonstration Organizer Is Black

President Barack Obama was greeted at his hotel in Oklahoma City Wednesday night by protesters proudly displaying Confederate flags.



Protesters Greet Obama in Oklahoma Waving Confederate Flags ? and Demonstration Organizer Is Black | TheBlaze.com
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Southerners will always remember that chance. If only Ewell had pressed the fight on the left, late on the first day of Gettysburg, and taken Culp's Hill and Cemetery Hill, everything would have turned out differently. If Stonewall Jackson had not died from the wound he received at Chancellorsville only a couple months earlier, he would have commanded that corps, and not Ewell--and Jackson would have pressed the fight until he had won all that high ground, even if the Devil himself had stood in his way.

After the first day, the Union forces occupied Cemetery Ridge, and that put an end to Confederate hopes. But the South would probably have won Gettysburg that first day if Jackson had been there--the Union right had been broken, and the rout was on. It was because the Confederate left paused, late on that first day, that the Union forces were able to fortify the high ground, and after that the Southerners' prospects of victory evaporated.

The war will never truly be over, at least in the imagination of anyone who appreciates the valor of the Confederate forces. No one can point to any finer infantry in all the history of warfare. Even if they had no shoes, blisters, dysentery, painful wounds, no food of sleep during the past couple days, and were filthy and exhausted from an all-night forced march in pouring rain, they still fought like all hell when called upon. Courage and dedication always deserve respect, whatever the cause men are fighting and dying for.
I think one has to separate the soldiers from the cause..the valor and the fighting for one's state is fine..commendable
the cause was always bogus.. succession at minimum
 
Good advice....the country should have listened. I rejected that lying SOB in '07!

As soon as his lips moved...I knew he was the Pied Piper of con men.

Of course, I don't suffer from that mental disorder called liberalism.

Well that year there were some tuff choices
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Did you vote for palin & mCcain??
 
I think one has to separate the soldiers from the cause..the valor and the fighting for one's state is fine..commendable
the cause was always bogus.. succession at minimum

I think there is a lot to the southern states' argument that they had a right to secede from the Union and form a separate nation. They could point to the American Revolution as moral authority. But the question was whether they could enforce that right, and in the end they were not able to.
 
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