Is russian interference really a threat?

[beerftw]

Is russian interference really a threat? I hear it over and over russian propoganda, russian trolls, but why is everyone ignoring china, I mean the chinese did a video before the hunter hard drive leaks happened on sep 24, talking about how the communist party of china has hard drives full of dirt on the bidens and other politicians as blackmail.

What I find interesting was that chinese sources had claims of such emails and videos before release, not too long after guilianni said the chinese have the hard drives. How factual this is can not be proven or disporoven until releases occur or do not by election day. But this also raises questions if true that would be whether the chinese communist party was in on releasing such damaging information or if the information was released by opposition.

What I find funny is democrats call out russia, and intel reports mentioning russia and china often got reduced to just mentioning russia when brought up in the media. This could be real and democrats and media are scared to death, or it could just be a conspiracy theory at the levels of pizzagate.

Either way this thread is not about validating or invalidating theory or claims, but rather discussing foreign election interference in the United States presidential election. Also video of the chinese claims from september just to show it occured last month

 

[Cardinal]

Is russian interference really a threat? I hear it over and over russian propoganda, russian trolls, but why is everyone ignoring china, I mean the chinese did a video before the hunter hard drive leaks happened on sep 24, talking about how the communist party of china has hard drives full of dirt on the bidens and other politicians as blackmail.

What I find interesting was that chinese sources had claims of such emails and videos before release, not too long after guilianni said the chinese have the hard drives. How factual this is can not be proven or disporoven until releases occur or do not by election day. But this also raises questions if true that would be whether the chinese communist party was in on releasing such damaging information or if the information was released by opposition.

What I find funny is democrats call out russia, and intel reports mentioning russia and china often got reduced to just mentioning russia when brought up in the media. This could be real and democrats and media are scared to death, or it could just be a conspiracy theory at the levels of pizzagate.

Either way this thread is not about validating or invalidating theory or claims, but rather discussing foreign election interference in the United States presidential election. Also video of the chinese claims from september just to show it occured last month

Democracy quite specifically relies on truth. Russia's form of interference has been to inject disinformation and misinformation into the national dialogue. If the result is that a substantial percentage of the American public can no longer tell truth from lies, that is a threat to our democracy, and therefore the country as we know it.

 

[beerftw]

Democracy quite specifically relies on truth. Russia's form of interference has been to inject disinformation and misinformation into the national dialogue. If the result is that a substantial percentage of the American public can no longer tell truth from lies, that is a threat to our democracy, and therefore the country as we know it.

The point of the thread was that everyone is blaming russia but refusing to look at china, if you watch the video it even mentions the hunter biden video and email releases occuring before they were released, which makes one wonder if the repair guy story was just a cover for chinese defectors collecting and releasing such stuff in a direct effort to hurt biden.

The other disturbing part was the video claimed trump was already sent access to all 3 hard drives, which if all holds true would mean trump would have a treasure trove of intel to bury biden in an avalanche of october surprises thanks to chinese nationals.

everyone putting all fear into one and ignoring the other is like a town putting all recources into stopping chupecabres while ignoring wolves that were eating their towns folks, the chinese are not even hiding it and seem proud to admit it if you watch the video.

 

[Mycroft]

What is more of a threat to our country than Russian or Chinese disinformation is the constant disinformation campaign that has been waged by our own media for the last 6 years.

 

[George50]

What is more of a threat to our country than Russian or Chinese disinformation is the constant disinformation campaign that has been waged by our own media for the last 6 years.

I assume you are referring to Fox, Breitbart, etc.

 

[George50]

Is russian interference really a threat? I hear it over and over russian propoganda, russian trolls, but why is everyone ignoring china, I mean the chinese did a video before the hunter hard drive leaks happened on sep 24, talking about how the communist party of china has hard drives full of dirt on the bidens and other politicians as blackmail.

What I find interesting was that chinese sources had claims of such emails and videos before release, not too long after guilianni said the chinese have the hard drives. How factual this is can not be proven or disporoven until releases occur or do not by election day. But this also raises questions if true that would be whether the chinese communist party was in on releasing such damaging information or if the information was released by opposition.

What I find funny is democrats call out russia, and intel reports mentioning russia and china often got reduced to just mentioning russia when brought up in the media. This could be real and democrats and media are scared to death, or it could just be a conspiracy theory at the levels of pizzagate.

Either way this thread is not about validating or invalidating theory or claims, but rather discussing foreign election interference in the United States presidential election. Also video of the chinese claims from september just to show it occured last month

Why? Because the people who actually know who the greater threat is tell us:


WASHINGTON — Russia is using a range of techniques to denigrate Joseph R. Biden Jr., American intelligence officials said Friday in their first public assessment that Moscow continues to try to interfere in the 2020 campaign to help President Trump.
At the same time, the officials said China preferred that Mr. Trump be defeated in November and was weighing whether to take more aggressive action in the election.

But officials briefed on the intelligence said that Russia was the far graver, and more immediate, threat. While China seeks to gain influence in American politics, its leaders have not yet decided to wade directly into the presidential contest, however much they may dislike Mr. Trump, the officials said.

The assessment, included in a statement released by William R. Evanina, the director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, suggested the intelligence community was treading carefully, reflecting the political heat generated by previous findings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/...nterference.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

[Chomsky]

Is russian interference really a threat? I hear it over and over russian propoganda, russian trolls, but why is everyone ignoring china, I mean the chinese did a video before the hunter hard drive leaks happened on sep 24, talking about how the communist party of china has hard drives full of dirt on the bidens and other politicians as blackmail.

What I find interesting was that chinese sources had claims of such emails and videos before release, not too long after guilianni said the chinese have the hard drives. How factual this is can not be proven or disporoven until releases occur or do not by election day. But this also raises questions if true that would be whether the chinese communist party was in on releasing such damaging information or if the information was released by opposition.

What I find funny is democrats call out russia, and intel reports mentioning russia and china often got reduced to just mentioning russia when brought up in the media. This could be real and democrats and media are scared to death, or it could just be a conspiracy theory at the levels of pizzagate.

Either way this thread is not about validating or invalidating theory or claims, but rather discussing foreign election interference in the United States presidential election. Also video of the chinese claims from september just to show it occured last month

So do we know the show was aired Sept 24th? It might, because the video was posted to YouTube Sept 30th. So yeah, this was before the Post story. It's an amazing video. No other way to say it. Unless the dates have been spoofed, I must say I'm blown away!

 

[Chomsky]

Democracy quite specifically relies on truth. Russia's form of interference has been to inject disinformation and misinformation into the national dialogue. If the result is that a substantial percentage of the American public can no longer tell truth from lies, that is a threat to our democracy, and therefore the country as we know it.

Did you watch the video?

 

[Captain Adverse]

Is russian interference really a threat? I hear it over and over russian propoganda, russian trolls, but why is everyone ignoring china, I mean the chinese did a video before the hunter hard drive leaks happened on sep 24, talking about how the communist party of china has hard drives full of dirt on the bidens and other politicians as blackmail.

What I find interesting was that chinese sources had claims of such emails and videos before release, not too long after guilianni said the chinese have the hard drives. How factual this is can not be proven or disporoven until releases occur or do not by election day. But this also raises questions if true that would be whether the chinese communist party was in on releasing such damaging information or if the information was released by opposition.

What I find funny is democrats call out russia, and intel reports mentioning russia and china often got reduced to just mentioning russia when brought up in the media. This could be real and democrats and media are scared to death, or it could just be a conspiracy theory at the levels of pizzagate.

Either way this thread is not about validating or invalidating theory or claims, but rather discussing foreign election interference in the United States presidential election. Also video of the chinese claims from september just to show it occured last month

I am fairly sure China is probably interfering in just about every aspect of American society; social, economic, and political.

They are engaging in active and persistent intellectual property and technology theft. They are dealing in identity theft. They are trying to engage in control over electronic media; IMO TikTok, and Google interference merely the tip of the iceberg.

I would not be surprised if they were using American cut-outs to transfer money via "donations" to BLM, Antifas, and the Biden campaign.

So I have no doubt they are actively seeking the election of Joe Biden, at the very least seeking a President weak on China, at the most seeking the pawn people alleged Trump was for Putin.

That's my opinion, based on decades of watching China grow in power while the Soviet Union declined.

 

[Cardinal]

Did you watch the video?

I'm not going to, certainly not a 12 minute video of somebody who I don't know. I'm exhausted by the countless conspiracy theories, false accusations, half truths, gas lighting, faked videos and especially, of course, trump himself. I want him out and a not-insane person to replace him.

 

[Drawdown]

The point of the thread was that everyone is blaming russia but refusing to look at china, if you watch the video it even mentions the hunter biden video and email releases occuring before they were released, which makes one wonder if the repair guy story was just a cover for chinese defectors collecting and releasing such stuff in a direct effort to hurt biden.

The other disturbing part was the video claimed trump was already sent access to all 3 hard drives, which if all holds true would mean trump would have a treasure trove of intel to bury biden in an avalanche of october surprises thanks to chinese nationals.

everyone putting all fear into one and ignoring the other is like a town putting all recources into stopping chupecabres while ignoring wolves that were eating their towns folks, the chinese are not even hiding it and seem proud to admit it if you watch the video.

Problem with that theory is that it is already shaking out to have been a proper get rich quick scheme by Biden & Son, Inc. Yes people are going to be looking at China, but not the way you seem to think.

 

[MaryP]

Democracy quite specifically relies on truth. Russia's form of interference has been to inject disinformation and misinformation into the national dialogue. If the result is that a substantial percentage of the American public can no longer tell truth from lies, that is a threat to our democracy, and therefore the country as we know it.

That's at the heart of why Trump must go. He championed his supporters no longer being able to tell fact from fiction. I hope it's not irreparable, the harm he has done.

 

[megalaserLAWS]

Democracy quite specifically relies on truth. Russia's form of interference has been to inject disinformation and misinformation into the national dialogue. If the result is that a substantial percentage of the American public can no longer tell truth from lies, that is a threat to our democracy, and therefore the country as we know it.

Posts of the Russian pro trump interference was not lies. Most of it was truthful facts and/or generally excepted opinion. The veracity of what was said has little bearing on the issue though. I don't think Russia's interference comes anywhere close to the Chinese influence(foreign labor and production interests, Biden's sons monetary ties,Hollywood, or mike Bloomberg's career) or big tech. Do I think what Russia does is wrong though? Hell yeah but they are just a scapegoat for the major influencers. I don't believe russia has anything but minor effects on the election, I'd be surprised if they made a 1 percent difference.

 

[Chomsky]

I'm not going to, certainly not a 12 minute video of somebody who I don't know. I'm exhausted by the countless conspiracy theories, false accusations, half truths, gas lighting, faked videos and especially, of course, trump himself. I want him out and a not-insane person to replace him.

According to the YouTube timestamp, that video was posted September 30th. The claim is the broadcast was aired September 24th.

But if the YouTube publishing date is accurate, you might consider watching the thing. It's pretty freaky. And I usually don't say that about things of this nature. Go two or three minutess in, and watch it for a minute or two. You might be surprised.

 

[Cardinal]

According to the YouTube timestamp, that video was posted September 30th. The claim is the broadcast was aired September 24th.

But if the YouTube publishing date is accurate, you might consider watching the thing. It's pretty freaky. And I usually don't say that about things of this nature. Go two or three minutess in, and watch it for a minute or two. You might be surprised.

Another time, maybe. All I care about right now is that Trump is out and Biden is in. Unless you can provide a more specific reason than "it's pretty freaky," which, no disrespect, isn't enough to get me to watch one of twenty billion 10+ minute youtube videos that people on the internet insist I have to see.

 

[Mycroft]

I assume you are referring to Fox, Breitbart, etc.

You assume wrong.

 

[Chomsky]

Another time, maybe. All I care about right now is that Trump is out and Biden is in. Unless you can provide a more specific reason than "it's pretty freaky," which, no disrespect, isn't enough to get me to watch one of twenty billion 10+ minute youtube videos that people on the internet insist I have to see.

Ah, no probs. It was interesting and entertaining, I thought. As critical as these weeks are, we can't spend the days 24/7 seriously focussed. Have a beer, enjoy a romp in the hay with you s/o or g/f, or find something else to do for a bit. Actually, I think that's advice I need!

Have a good one, buddy.

 

[MaryP]

Did you watch the video?

I did, but I have no idea what he's saying.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Is russian interference really a threat?

Only to stupid people who can't think for themselves.

 

[beerftw]

I did, but I have no idea what he's saying.

If you watch the video it says fairly clearly that before these email leaks happened, chinese were saying it would happen and that the american election would end in a very funny way.

The video goes on to say china had been spying on bloomberg and hunter biden to use as blackmail material, claiming they even had video evidence of hunter biden having sex with minors. The video claims the chinese govt had been spying on certain people for blackmail leverage, and that there were 3 hard drives in china on hunter biden alone.

Basically the video is hinting that the emails did not come from a computer shop owner, but rather from defectors of the chinese communist party who sent them to the doj and fbi, then later to the white house directly. No one can verify how true anything in that video is, but considering biden has refused to deny the emails and has stayed silent otherwise, the dnc and even pelosi have stayed silent, almost makes one wonder if the video is true and that china is blackmailing politicians and businessmen with video evidence to ensure loyalty.

 

[MaryP]

If you watch the video it says fairly clearly that before these email leaks happened, chinese were saying it would happen and that the american election would end in a very funny way.

The video goes on to say china had been spying on bloomberg and hunter biden to use as blackmail material, claiming they even had video evidence of hunter biden having sex with minors. The video claims the chinese govt had been spying on certain people for blackmail leverage, and that there were 3 hard drives in china on hunter biden alone.

Basically the video is hinting that the emails did not come from a computer shop owner, but rather from defectors of the chinese communist party who sent them to the doj and fbi, then later to the white house directly. No one can verify how true anything in that video is, but considering biden has refused to deny the emails and has stayed silent otherwise, the dnc and even pelosi have stayed silent, almost makes one wonder if the video is true and that china is blackmailing politicians and businessmen with video evidence to ensure loyalty.

I watched that video and I was totally lost, so thanks for the explanation. Are they saying the Chinese government bribed the Bidens and then held the evidence over their heads? I'm still kinda fuzzy about the whole thing. I'd make a lousy crook.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Democracy quite specifically relies on truth. Russia's form of interference has been to inject disinformation and misinformation into the national dialogue. If the result is that a substantial percentage of the American public can no longer tell truth from lies, that is a threat to our democracy, and therefore the country as we know it.

So the Russians are just like the democratic party. Both are masters of misinformation. Maybe Russia owns our media s well.

 

[beerftw]

I watched that video and I was totally lost, so thanks for the explanation. Are they saying the Chinese government bribed the Bidens and then held the evidence over their heads? I'm still kinda fuzzy about the whole thing. I'd make a lousy crook.

Well it is saying they bribed hunter biden and used it as leverage. I would suspect the chinese would do such a thing, allow rampant drug use, prostitution, child prostitution, and many other things for elites just as a lure to entrap them with video evidence for future blackmail. No part of the video can be proven or disproven at this point, but it is more or less interesting the timing of the video not too long before the leaks, indicating there is a high possibility chinese defectors were behind the leaks and that china is directly interfering with the election on an epic scale.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I'm not going to, certainly not a 12 minute video of somebody who I don't know. I'm exhausted by the countless conspiracy theories, false accusations, half truths, gas lighting, faked videos and especially, of course, trump himself.

Me to. Try switching to FOX. There you can hear the truth about Trump.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

What is more of a threat to our country than Russian or Chinese disinformation is the constant disinformation campaign that has been waged by our own media for the last 6 years.

The Russians and the Chinese need to be taking notes. The propaganda by our news outlets would have Joseph Goebbels envious.