Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
"On May 6, 2008, 12 fraudulent voters, dressed as nuns, attempted to cast ballots in the presidential primary in Indiana.Luckilyof them were caught, stopped cold by Indiana's new voter photo ID law. The law had been found to be constitutional by Federal Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
It turns out the nuns that Posner's ruling turned away were, in fact, nuns. All the sisters had photo driver's licenses, but they had expired (the licenses, not the nuns). The Sisters of the Holy Cross, had, mercifully, given up driving (they were pushing 90 years of age.)
It was a cute story that ran nationwide. What wasn't so cute, and ran nowhere in the US press, was that 72,000 black voters were blocked at the polls by this Posner-blessed photo ID law."
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In his newly released autobiography, the aging Posner, hearing the wings of mortality and the gavel of Judgment Day coming down, admits that he was stone cold wrong. Posner now concedes that that the voter ID rule was a Republican partisan ploy in intent and viciously racist in practice.
Posner, seeking forgiveness, says it wasn't his fault. He wasn't "really given strong indications that requiring additional voter identification would actually disfranchise people [who are] entitled to vote.""
Are these really Jim Crow laws?
Is this a voter disenfranchisement scheme?
Are these type laws partisan?
Excepting graveyards voting for LBJ in the 1960s, has this been a problem?
How many cases of voter fraud have been prosecuted in your neighborhood?
How many cases of What.....Voter Fraud? Whats That.....No Such thing In Chicago and Illinois. Democrats rule here doncha knows. :lamo
Great red herring
I have no problem with voter ID laws as long as the default position is allowing people to vote. Then, if it was fraudlent, arrest them and max out their sentence. The real issue isnt that the Republicans care a hoot about it, they too know there is really very little fraudlent voting, the thing is most of the people who have ID issues vote democrat. So it really is a RW attempt to stop Demo voters.
most of the people who have ID issues vote democrat.
But WHY do they have ID issues? How difficult is it to get an ID? Certainly easier than to figure out who to vote for, or what some Proposal XYZ, version 13 on the ballot even means.
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
"On May 6, 2008, 12 fraudulent voters, dressed as nuns, attempted to cast ballots in the presidential primary in Indiana.Luckilyof them were caught, stopped cold by Indiana's new voter photo ID law. The law had been found to be constitutional by Federal Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
It turns out the nuns that Posner's ruling turned away were, in fact, nuns. All the sisters had photo driver's licenses, but they had expired (the licenses, not the nuns). The Sisters of the Holy Cross, had, mercifully, given up driving (they were pushing 90 years of age.)
It was a cute story that ran nationwide. What wasn't so cute, and ran nowhere in the US press, was that 72,000 black voters were blocked at the polls by this Posner-blessed photo ID law."
"
In his newly released autobiography, the aging Posner, hearing the wings of mortality and the gavel of Judgment Day coming down, admits that he was stone cold wrong. Posner now concedes that that the voter ID rule was a Republican partisan ploy in intent and viciously racist in practice.
Posner, seeking forgiveness, says it wasn't his fault. He wasn't "really given strong indications that requiring additional voter identification would actually disfranchise people [who are] entitled to vote.""
Are these really Jim Crow laws?
Is this a voter disenfranchisement scheme?
Are these type laws partisan?
Excepting graveyards voting for LBJ in the 1960s, has this been a problem?
How many cases of voter fraud have been prosecuted in your neighborhood?
How many cases of What.....Voter Fraud? Whats That.....No Such thing In Chicago and Illinois. Democrats rule here doncha knows. :lamo
The only valid objection against introducing voter ID requirement I can imagine is a combination of: (a) electoral fraud is not a significant problem, and (b) the measure will cost a lot of money (the IDs are provided to those who doesn't have them free of charge, naturally, to avoid a de facto poll tax situation).
But WHY do they have ID issues? How difficult is it to get an ID? Certainly easier than to figure out who to vote for, or what some Proposal XYZ, version 13 on the ballot even means.
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
Naughty Nuns, Bad Bankers and Ballot Bandits
"On May 6, 2008, 12 fraudulent voters, dressed as nuns, attempted to cast ballots in the presidential primary in Indiana.Luckilyof them were caught, stopped cold by Indiana's new voter photo ID law. The law had been found to be constitutional by Federal Judge Richard Posner of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals.
It turns out the nuns that Posner's ruling turned away were, in fact, nuns. All the sisters had photo driver's licenses, but they had expired (the licenses, not the nuns). The Sisters of the Holy Cross, had, mercifully, given up driving (they were pushing 90 years of age.)
It was a cute story that ran nationwide. What wasn't so cute, and ran nowhere in the US press, was that 72,000 black voters were blocked at the polls by this Posner-blessed photo ID law."
"
In his newly released autobiography, the aging Posner, hearing the wings of mortality and the gavel of Judgment Day coming down, admits that he was stone cold wrong. Posner now concedes that that the voter ID rule was a Republican partisan ploy in intent and viciously racist in practice.
Posner, seeking forgiveness, says it wasn't his fault. He wasn't "really given strong indications that requiring additional voter identification would actually disfranchise people [who are] entitled to vote.""
Are these really Jim Crow laws?
Is this a voter disenfranchisement scheme?
Are these type laws partisan?
Excepting graveyards voting for LBJ in the 1960s, has this been a problem?
How many cases of voter fraud have been prosecuted in your neighborhood?
I would normally say no but currently its a maybe and here's why.
1. A swing state Republican official testified under oath that the republican party in his state held party strategy meetings on measures that could be legally taken to limit minority voting. I think its fair to reason the various state GOP organizations have occasion to confer with one another to participate in national strategy pow wows. In 2012 in states where republican officials held power but with significant minority populations, NEW rules were enacted that just so happen to make registering to vote and voting itself, not impossible but disproportionally less convenient for MINORITIES.
2. The most common form of ID is a driver's license. However, today there is less of a practical necessity of having a driver's license.
- At one time, a driver's license was needed to cash checks - Toady most people have direct deposit.
- Major urban centers have adequate public transportation systems; subways, light rail, buses, etc. In Atlanta for example, MARTA promises to get commuters form any any point in the metro area to any point in the metro area within 1 mile in under 60 minutes. It just so happens major urban centers are made up of large minority populations and further, the people more likely to use public transportation than non-minorities.
3. For quite some time now but especially after 9/11, the federal government has been pushing for a national ID system, albeit unsuccessfully over "Big Brother" arguments. As a result of numerous failed attempts to roll out a national ID, the federal government got cleaver and decided to sneak it in under the radar by superimposing the National ID on an ID most people already had, their driver's license. The new joint Driver's License/National ID is called the Real ID. You may have heard of it. If you haven't done so recently, the next time you get your driver's license renewed you'll be required to present an assortment of documentation unusual to past driver's license renewal. In addition, you're fee to renew will be between $50 and $60, cost prohibitive for the poor.
If your check is directly deposited, you use public transportation and to renew you license you'll have to do without maybe as much food for a week; why bother? Its more likely the person making that decision is a minority.
I have no issue with the laws themselves, but think they should only exist if there is a free government photo ID available in that state. However, if no such avenue exists then I believe it's unreasonable as it essentially demands payment for the ability to vote.
I also question the notions regarding the low number of voter fraud, as they generally look at provable instances of voter fraud while ignoring that based on the current requirements I'm unsure how plausible the notion of "proving" various types of fraud on a wide scale basis is.
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