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Is Rand Paul the unifying candidate?

YoungConserv said:
I keep listening to his comments to Kerry and I keep thinking he might be able to bring together the right and left and be a great president.? I see him being anti war, pro privacy and hands off on social issues and see some great things to come. I think if he can sell people on the idea that we need a smaller a government to increase civil liberties he can do great things. Am I the only one that sees this?
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Rand Paul will never be embraced by the left because of his clear anti-government stance of so many other issues. While the right and the left can briefly come together on some issues like foreign military involvement - there is a huge difference in their approach to the very fundamental issue of the role of government in our society.
 
As a Conservative Libertarian, it saddens me to see the hate libertarians get when it comes to mainstream politics. Both the Republican and Democratic parties are devolving at a rapid pace. We haven't seen anything worthwhile from Bush or Obama, and we probably won't see anything worthwhile come from our new President in 2016.

But it's only natural, right? Libertarians take aspects that both parties value and abhor and put them together. Of course when you ask the liberal about libertarians they'll say, "Killing government programs is bad; he has a terrible economic policy; the good of his social issues doesn't outweigh the bad of his economic, etc." And of course when you ask a conservative they'll say "His social issues are outrageous; he can't cut military spending; he would turn our nation into California; His social and foreign policy problems outweigh the good of his economic stances, I'd rather not vote at all!"

However, I do believe things are slowly tipping towards a Libertarian surge. As we've seen with Syria, the American people are not happy. While I don't think we'll see a successful libertarian candidate in 2016 (unless such candidate breaks through to the mainstream voter) we'll definitely start to hear more about the Libertarians in the coming years.

I just hope whatever it is that makes the American people open their eyes about the ineffectiveness of Republicans and Democrats, isn't something terrible.

Just my two cents, as someone new to politics. :)
 
vesper said:
I say this with hesitation but what I have heard from Rand Paul, I like. One of his qualities that I admire is the respect he shows for his father Ron Paul. Rand is not a clone of his father and often disagrees with him. The media knows this and are always trying to pin him against his father. Rand never steps in it and quite statesmanlike keeps his honor for his father in tact. I so much love that about him.
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I believe he's married vesper.




j/k
 
YoungConserv said:
I keep listening to his comments to Kerry and I keep thinking he might be able to bring together the right and left and be a great president.? I see him being anti war, pro privacy and hands off on social issues and see some great things to come. I think if he can sell people on the idea that we need a smaller a government to increase civil liberties he can do great things. Am I the only one that sees this?
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I have a lot of respect for libertarians because they have a lot of crossover policies with liberals like myself. Mostly in social policy but also in foreign policy. Fiscal policy is where the break is HUGE though.
 
Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose.

Call yourself liberty and feel exonerated from all of the bad things about this Country.

Same goes with the good things.
 
Considering some of the policies he has suggested over the last few years.. hell no. If you want a man that can drive away the independents and Reagan Democrats.. sure choose him!
 
NIMBY said:
Libertarian is just another name for nothing left to lose.

Call yourself liberty and feel exonerated from all of the bad things about this Country.

Same goes with the good things.
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I find political titles very deceiving. Take yours for example. You call yourself a Centrist, the middle of the road guy. Well in reality, the middle has been skewed because the country has been pulled so far left of center. I think center started moving to the left when the Blue Dogs in the 60-70's started leaving the Democrat party and taking up residency on the right side of the aisle. This was mainly due to social issues like abortion and the peace-nik movement overtaking the Democrat party. Blue Dogs have always been big supporters of social welfare, strong moral convictions, and also quite hawkish when it comes to using military force. When they became Republicans is when neo-conservatives / social conservatives were born. The former Democrats brought with them their habit to spend money on social programs as well as their hawk-like attitude for military force. Prior to that the Republican party were mostly comprised of paleo-conservatives and libertarians who both practice fiscal responsibility and tend to be constitutionalists. Both are anti-corporatism and tend to lean anti-federalist promoting states rights and a smaller federal government. And neither are hawks. Both believe in individualism and strong advocates for personal responsibility. Today the Democrats have moved so far left to embrace Marxist ideals, what few Blue Dogs that are left have been neutered. The country needs to be pulled to the right in order to find the true center again.
 
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vesper said:
I find political titles very deceiving. Take yours for example. You call yourself a Centrist, the middle of the road guy. Well in reality, the middle has been skewed because the country has been pulled so far left of center. I think center started moving to the left when the Blue Dogs in the 60-70's started leaving the Democrat party and taking up residency on the right side of the aisle. This was mainly due to social issues like abortion and the peace-nik movement overtaking the Democrat party. Blue Dogs have always been big supporters of social welfare, strong moral convictions, and also quite hawkish when it comes to using military force. When they became Republicans is when neo-conservatives / social conservatives were born. The former Democrats brought with them their habit to spend money on social programs as well as their hawk-like attitude for military force. Prior to that the Republican party were mostly comprised of paleo-conservatives and libertarians who both practice fiscal responsibility and tend to be constitutionalists. Both are anti-corporatism and tend to lean anti-federalist promoting states rights and a smaller federal government. And neither are hawks. Both believe in individualism and strong advocates for personal responsibility. Today the Democrats have moved so far left to embrace Marxist ideals, what few Blue Dogs that are left have been neutered. The country needs to be pulled to the right in order to find the true center again.
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A fine example as to just why political dialogue has broken down in this country. The politics of the United States are considered to be quite conservative in other developed nations. By most measurements, the political centre has moved to the right, not to the left but never mind what any of those 'furriners' think, True Patriots know what is reality and what isn't :roll:

What an interesting version of history you have. I understand you 'know' it is true but that don't make it so.
 
Somerville said:
A fine example as to just why political dialogue has broken down in this country. The politics of the United States are considered to be quite conservative in other developed nations. By most measurements, the political centre has moved to the right, not to the left but never mind what any of those 'furriners' think, True Patriots know what is reality and what isn't :roll:

What an interesting version of history you have. I understand you 'know' it is true but that don't make it so.
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Much of the world is under some form of Liberal Socialist government. But we are a free republic that embraces capitalism which is the exact opposite of socialism. And there are a number of folks in this country attacking its institutions in order to bring about a change for socialism. A patriot can't be a socialist and a socialist can't be a patriot.
 
vesper said:
Much of the world is under some form of Liberal Socialist government. But we are a free republic that embraces capitalism which is the exact opposite of socialism. And there are a number of folks in this country attacking its institutions in order to bring about a change for socialism. A patriot can't be a socialist and a socialist can't be a patriot.
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In your world but not the real one
 
Is Rand Paul a viable candidate?
hah I'd vote for that nutbar in a New York minute!
Sad thing is we'll never again be offered a candidate that is worth the powder n lead to...
 
YoungConserv said:
I keep listening to his comments to Kerry and I keep thinking he might be able to bring together the right and left and be a great president.? I see him being anti war, pro privacy and hands off on social issues and see some great things to come. I think if he can sell people on the idea that we need a smaller a government to increase civil liberties he can do great things. Am I the only one that sees this?
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One thing for sure.....we wouldn't have to worry about a blow job in the oval office. Well, unless they can train a dog to give one. Why doesn't somebody tell him that cheap rug he wears turns people off and the elevator shoes don't make him any more of a man.
 
I don't think he's the man to unite but I will say this, I think this next election can very well see a much larger than normal chance for a dark horse anti-war candidate of or from whatever stripe. I think if a candidate runs hard on that platform combined with America getting sick of having been at war for the last 11 years (13 years by the next election)... could create some momentum.
 
The way things are going the next Commander in Chief is going too have one hellava mess to clean up?

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AngryOldGuy said:
The way things are going the next Commander in Chief is going too have one hellava mess to clean up?

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LMAO!! It takes a real set of balls to say that after supporting a draft dodging, C student who assumed a surplus with a plan in place to completely pay off the national debt by 2012, immediately cut tax rates for his wealthy buddies, not once but twice, started two unfunded wars...one totally and without question unnecessary, then doubled the national debt from $5.7 trillion to more than $12 trillion. He then handed the biggest, richest institutions in the world nearly a trillion dollars just before he left office with no specification as to it's use and left the jobs in such a shape that the unemployment in America was growing by 750,000 a month, with an M. He was the first president to borrow from Communist Chinese banks and now we are handicapped in our political dealings with them because it's like arguing with a landlord.

Before that the worst fiasco our country had experienced was when Roosevelt took over the mess left by Hoover and the banks. It took Roosevelt eight years and a world war to clean up that mess. So far all the Republicans have done in the current atmosphere is bitch and groan and oppose anything the first nigger wants to do.

Your party has lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections but because they live a bubble with Fox News they just keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
 
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Campbell said:
Well....one thing about it. You have plenty of AK-47's and AR-15's. You might need to watch out for the RPG's and Cruise Missiles.
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True we'll need the Conservative members of the armed forces to defect
and bring all their Apache gunships and MLRS batteries and howitzers with them?
 
AngryOldGuy said:
True we'll need the Conservative members of the armed forces to defect
and bring all their Apache gunships and MLRS batteries and howitzers with them?
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You don't realize how foolish that scenario sounds to any red blooded American. I'll say this much....the rediculous way the Right has been acting for the last thirty years they might be stupid enough to assume that.
 
YoungConserv said:
I keep listening to his comments to Kerry and I keep thinking he might be able to bring together the right and left and be a great president.? I see him being anti war, pro privacy and hands off on social issues and see some great things to come. I think if he can sell people on the idea that we need a smaller a government to increase civil liberties he can do great things. Am I the only one that sees this?
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Rand Paul is from the school of dumb that thinks we should revert back to the thinking of the 1800's: every man for himself. Of course, millions of idiots agree with that, which is probably why he says it.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
vs your philosophy that everyman is property of the state?
I'll go with personal liberty on this one Bub
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And America slides ever further behind countries like Japan, Norway, and the rest of Western Europe, which actually spend money on infrastructure and furthering the advancement of their people.
 
calamity said:
infrastructure?
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I'd have hoped we'd already gotten all the infrastructure we'd ever need from all those stimulus packages you guys financed with our great grandchildren's taxes?
 
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