Is Race really an issue?!

[Surenderer]

I expect the same out of everybody. I don't make up different rules for different people. I don't expect more or less from a black man then I do A white man. So yes in that regard I paint everybody with the same brush. If thats racisit to you then I am happy to be one

Thats not racist and I agree with you about that...I stated why you were showing Racist behavior so dont :spin: what I said

Then you essentialy call me a clan member... and a racist 2-3 times in as many posts. So your opinion has little value to me.

Walks and talks like a duck to me...<shrug>...sorry if it hurts but when you assume I make apologies for bad behavior because someone is black then that is racist

[My kids are white. And I will teach my kids to go out and to work for what they want. Don't except handouts and don't expect something for nothing. And I will want them to expect the same from others. Because i don't feel it's racist to expect a black man to go to work and be productive, or a white man. I expect the same from pretty much everybody. Work, pay your bills, take care of your family and try to pay attention to the law (the last one may get bent depending on the circumstances)
/QUOTE]


Same as I teach me children.....Are you assuming that I dont teach my kids this same thing?

Sorry but I don't feel being poor is an excuse to sit around and not attempt something. If anything it would seem an excuse to work harder..

Please post where I said being poor was an excuse....if your not a racist then I apologize however your assumptions make you seem as if I think a particular way because I am black which is racist

 

[Navy Pride]

What the hell do you mean by that?

I mean a lot of African Americans take everything that the Reverends (and I use the term loosely) Jackson and Sharpton say......They are using you for profit and politcal gain and you don't even know it..........

 

[Navy Pride]

Whats your point? that blacks dont understand this? I am 35 years old and have two children (outta marriage) never done drugs.....never been to jail.....dont hang out with criminals.....have worked everyday of my life since i was 17.......thanks for the life advice though....another example of a holier than though attitude

When it comes to crime for whatever reason you have to admit you are the exception rather the the rule.......The irony of the situation is most Black crime is Black on Black and one of ever three black women with children have no husband.........

 

[Navy Pride]

So Blacks dont want to help themselves?

You tell me, I saw a report on CNN today that stated a lot of African Americans did not want to leave New Orleans because they would miss their welfare checks........

 

[mistermain]

A fundimental change in the black community regarding lawlessness to begin with. I think Bill Cosby has done a good job of trying to get that started.

Exactly. I don't think the nation has left behind the poor. We have many socialist programs to help the poor (which many actually leach off of). At some point the poor communities need to help themselves, and each other.

 

[HTColeman]

I don't give a damm about blacks? Who said that? or are you assuming that I think that about Blacks?....but I get your point though because you have shown that you dont give a damn about Whites.

There ya go assuming again. I feel the same way about anybody of any color. Your assumption was that it only pertained to blacks.. Sounds like your a bit of a racist to me

If whites don't know what there talking about like you basically said. Then you should go about fixing everything without there assistance

In various arguments, you seem to consistently talk about blacks. You consistently relate black and lazy, and those who aren't are merely exceptions. No one is making excuses, and stop telling everyone what they are doing and thinking, you don't know as much as you think you do, have a little modesty. It is not your place to judge anyone based on anything.

 

[HTColeman]

I mean a lot of African Americans take everything that the Reverends (and I use the term loosely) Jackson and Sharpton say......They are using you for profit and politcal gain and you don't even know it..........

You really take blacks for some dumb pieces of ****, don't you? I don't listen to Jackson and Sharpton, no one I know listens to them, stop assuming you know so much about blacks. Black is not a mindset, it is a skin color.

 

[HTColeman]

When it comes to crime for whatever reason you have to admit you are the exception rather the the rule.......The irony of the situation is most Black crime is Black on Black and one of ever three black women with children have no husband.........

There is no rule about any culture, ethnicity, race, etc.! I am not an exception, I am an individual! Do you not see the ignorance in your stereotypes, stop taking the media as the absolute truth, think for yourself! The media shows the worst of the worst, because that gets good ratings, you will never see a media story about the black man, or white, or asian, etc, providing for his family, etc. That does not make good press. Does the color of your skin affect your views and mindset?

 

[Navy Pride]

You really take blacks for some dumb pieces of ****, don't you? I don't listen to Jackson and Sharpton, no one I know listens to them, stop assuming you know so much about blacks. Black is not a mindset, it is a skin color.

Not at all...Every African American I know are as smart as whips......Of course they are all Moderates or Conservatives. have jobs and are married and have families...............

 

[Navy Pride]

There is no rule about any culture, ethnicity, race, etc.! I am not an exception, I am an individual! Do you not see the ignorance in your stereotypes, stop taking the media as the absolute truth, think for yourself! The media shows the worst of the worst, because that gets good ratings, you will never see a media story about the black man, or white, or asian, etc, providing for his family, etc. That does not make good press. Does the color of your skin affect your views and mindset?

thats crap and you know it......I know a lot of Black americans who are great providers for their familiesand are disgusted by what goes on in the black community.....

 

[HTColeman]

thats crap and you know it......I know a lot of Black americans who are great providers for their familiesand are disgusted by what goes on in the black community.....

There you go again, thinking you know what I know. Those people you know are not exceptions to any rule. Blacks, like every other human, think independently. You never answered my question, does the color of your skin affect your views and mindset?

 

[Navy Pride]

There you go again, thinking you know what I know. Those people you know are not exceptions to any rule. Blacks, like every other human, think independently. You never answered my question, does the color of your skin affect your views and mindset?

I don't know you so I don't have any idea what you know......The people I know that are black pretty much say the same thing I do........They think affirmative action has long since out lived its need and should be abolished............They think blacks should be judged by their qualifications not the color of their skin and should not get jobs because of and unfair quota system...........

They know rascism still exists but things are a hell of a lot better then they use to be and they don't think rascism should be used as and excuse for failure........

 

[InDefenseofSanity]

I think that is more correctly called affirmative discrimination, as in discrimination against caucasians.

 

[milkrun]

Well the mayor is black and it was his responsibility. So is he racist?



No it was actually it was a day and half late on Wednesday after the storm.



The mayor is trying to shirk his responsibility. HE has the primary responsbility for the
well being of his citizens followed by the Govenor. You do know she has REFUSED to
let the federal government take over the situation. The local and state officials are the
first responders and it was THIER job to get people out and then to make sure that the aid
was there immediately after the storm. The Fed's are there to assist and only at the
request of the local officials.




And there would not have been the utter anachry and lawlessness that the black people of
New Orleans engage in either making it safer for him to visit. Of course had he been there
the next day the you and others would have complained he was grandstanding.





They were nowhere to be seen the first five days because it was too dangerous do to the
behavior of the people left there.



That is the job of the mayor and govenor but the more important question is why did the
mayor let all the buses get flooded out.

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Which is belied by the outpouring of help and assistence that is being provided by white
men and women. Of course I guess if they had listened to you first they all would have
said why they hell should we care if that is the attitude of the black community.

Great reply to MasterBater's twisted logic. One thing could be added though. Anyone who choses to live the way those people do doesn't deserve the generousity of the American taxpayer. Why help people who won't help themselves?

 

[BWG]

Great reply to MasterBater's twisted logic. One thing could be added though. Anyone who choses to live the way those people do doesn't deserve the generousity of the American taxpayer. Why help people who won't help themselves?

EVERY American deserves the generosity and outreach of other Americans in a time of need such as Hurricane Katrina, no matter HOW THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE. I sincerely hope you never have to reach out for help and there is none there for you because someone decides they don't care for the way you choose to live. That's what make Americans great. We may bicker and argue with one another, but when needed, we will set aside our differences and come together. Ask the Red Cross how many of their donations come in one, five or ten dollar bills.

 

[Timequake]

There you go again, thinking you know what I know. Those people you know are not exceptions to any rule. Blacks, like every other human, think independently. You never answered my question, does the color of your skin affect your views and mindset?

Of course the color of your skin affects your views and mindset. It’s sad to say but we’ve been living in a society with certain stereotypes for so long
that it has become almost a natural thing to act a certain way toward a certain person. But sin color is not the only thing that affects our views; there is gender, ethnicity, and religion too. A male WASP is going to have completely different life experiences than a black man, a Jew, a Hispanic woman, or a person of Middle Eastern decent. All these people are approached and treated differently simply because of their appearance, their appearance molded their experiences, and that’s were we get our views and mindsets.

As far as I’m concerned there is a problem in a black community, not in the race itself. You’re right, every human being thinks for themselves but you must admit that the majority of the black community as a whole are under-educated and are therefore easily influenced by pop culture and/or the media. This influence has created a lifestyle within the majority of this race that has become not only self-destructive but has threatened other communities as well.

This influence, this lifestyle of the majority is causing the utter destruction of an established race, a race that fought for decades to obtain the rights that this majority neglects. Everyday more and more stereotypes are arising from this majority making it harder and harder to respect the lifestyle in which they chose to live.

Now the country has been forced to address the problems which lie within this community. In New Orleans we got a glimpse of this lifestyle: the rape, the looting, the murder, these crimes are not shocking to those who live in there, or other communities like it, these crimes are an everyday occurrence in their lives. The people who are shocked are those of us who live by different standards within different communities.

It is noted that there are many blacks who rise above this lifestyle, but still they are a minority and thus outcasted by the majority and still get stuck with the many stereotype that they have worked so hard to overcome. I’m not saying that the black race or each African American individual is a problem; I am saying that within the black race there is a community (the majority) with a problem. The values and norms found within this majority are not those of a civilized or educated society. Which brings us to the big issue, how can the rest of America, no matter what race or community, coexist with a community that lives by such destructive standards, standards that not only hurt themselves but others as well?

 

[milkrun]

EVERY American deserves the generosity and outreach of other Americans in a time of need such as Hurricane Katrina, no matter HOW THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE. I sincerely hope you never have to reach out for help and there is none there for you because someone decides they don't care for the way you choose to live. That's what make Americans great. We may bicker and argue with one another, but when needed, we will set aside our differences and come together. Ask the Red Cross how many of their donations come in one, five or ten dollar bills.

We do help people who are in need. But the expectation is that any help should be temporary and that the needy will respond by getting back on their feet while accepting our help.

Certain groups of people do not think this way. They need help 24/7 just to survive in a wretched condition. Maybe that's partially the fault of the American government, but most has to be personal responsiblity. Welfare queens chose to live their lives collecting taxpayer funds. That is not a temporary situation caused by a natural disaster. Why should working Americans throw millions (billions?) at a group of irresponsible adults who have no desire to improve their lives?

We can't change this overnight. But we need to start now to save the next generation from ruin. We can't have millions of poor, black people forever locked into poverty. By continuing the current system we are saying "we don't care about you or your children. Here's some crumbs from the rich and middle class so you won't come and kill us".

 

[JOHNYJ]

New Orleans power structure is black and the Governor is a democrat.The people most sensitive to Black pople, saposedly.Were responsable to act first,failed first. The liberals with their on going make people victims is pushing this garbage about race.

 

[Stinger]

IM one of those whites in the florida suburbs, I live in Gulf Breeze.. . near pensacola, we were hit by Ivan last september... we were also hit by arlene, cindy, and dennis this year... do yall seriously think we had troops here teh next day? all i seen rolling into my streets the first 5 days was Florida police force.. that the State and county had requested... after a few days teh national gaurd showed up... fema was in new orleans a week earlier than they were in our panhandle for ivan.. yes they got here quick adn set up base quick, but there wasnt up to 20 feet of water, or an armed mob prohibiting their progress... i havent seen the national gaurd bypassing blacks to get to whites? Florida is well prepared for hurricanes. Fema has local offices in different locations.. the locations for Florida are veterans. They know what to do, becasue they do it every single year...

I'm in Daphne, it was state and locals NOT FEMA, who were here with food and water and ice after Ivan. FEMA comes in afterwards to help with recovery. There is ALOT of misinformation about FEMA here and in the national media. I find one of the biggest downfalls is with the national media and the misinformation they spew out, like when Bush declared the lower counties of AL, MS and LA disaster areas that that meant he had taken over control. That's nonsense.

 

[Stinger]

>> But I am smart enough to know that not nearly all whites are judging blacks like you.<<

But your statement is not smart enought to realize that one of the major reasons black society and a growing segment of white society is spiraling downwards is preciesly because of this falacious idea that no one should be judged on thier behavior. That is EXACTLY what is needed and a little shame thrown in too. Until we are able to talk about the downfall of black society nothing can be done about it.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

In various arguments, you seem to consistently talk about blacks. You consistently relate black and lazy, and those who aren't are merely exceptions. No one is making excuses, and stop telling everyone what they are doing and thinking, you don't know as much as you think you do, have a little modesty. It is not your place to judge anyone based on anything.

Please show me were I said blacks are lazy. I kinda thought teling people what there doing and thinking was what a forum is about, the discussion of ideas. This must be one of those super new fangled metro type forums.

 

[Calm2Chaos]

>> But I am smart enough to know that not nearly all whites are judging blacks like you.<<

But your statement is not smart enought to realize that one of the major reasons black society and a growing segment of white society is spiraling downwards is preciesly because of this falacious idea that no one should be judged on thier behavior. That is EXACTLY what is needed and a little shame thrown in too. Until we are able to talk about the downfall of black society nothing can be done about it.

The problem is that talking about black society makes you a racist. And not talking about black society makes you an uncaring racist. Course thinking about black society and doing nothing makes you a liberal.....:rofl

 

[Stinger]

C2C>> The problem is that talking about black society makes you a racist. And not talking about black society makes you an uncaring racist. Course thinking about black society and doing nothing makes you a liberal.....

Heh-heh!

 

[HTColeman]

>> But I am smart enough to know that not nearly all whites are judging blacks like you.<<

But your statement is not smart enought to realize that one of the major reasons black society and a growing segment of white society is spiraling downwards is preciesly because of this falacious idea that no one should be judged on thier behavior. That is EXACTLY what is needed and a little shame thrown in too. Until we are able to talk about the downfall of black society nothing can be done about it.

First off, just to be an ass, my statement is not smart, nor can it ever be, for it is a sentence, with no brain.

Anyways, we are able to talk about problems within the black community, however, many people choose to condemn rather than help or even discuss those problems. Furthermore when they condemn, they call it the "downfall of black society". Black society is full of many different black people, as is American society. For example, it would be incorrect to state that American society is white, because it is not. When you choose to condemn, most condemn "black society", rather than problems in certain communities. You make it seem as if there is a problem with black, rather than a large demographic of blacks have a problem. It may not mean much to you, but it comes of as racist to others, not to mention a personal attack (if there is something wrong with black society, there is something wrong with me). It is a sensitive area, you can ignore the sensitivity, but you will always get negative responses, and will never get anything done. If you don't want to get anything done, then you really don't need to say anything.

As far as judgement, I take my views from the Bible, and it says not to judge others, unless you be judged. You see, in order to judge someone, you must in a higher position to pass judgement. Judges (proffessional) have a higher place in law, so they can pass judgement. No one has a higher place in morals nor are there any "higher humans", so no one is in a position to pass judgement on anyone else.

So, until we are willing to learn to talk and listen to the issues of the black community, nothing can be done.

 

[SKILMATIC]

I noticed you havent replied yet ht coleman on my last post or mabe you didnt see it. Or mabe you saw the light that I emit.