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It is both. Placing a burden on pregnnat women that nobody else has is very much discrimination, making her a second-class citizen.star2589 said:pro-lifers say that a woman is obligated to let her fetus make use of her body.
but most would not say that someone has the right to force a man to donate blood even if it was to save the life of another.
is this discrimination against women?
my own opinion is that it isnt discrimination against women, but discrimination in favor of the fetus.
However, pro-life IS discriminating against women. What you are saying is that if men could get pregnant, then pro-life would ALSO discriminate against men.Jerry said:No.
It's not pro life's fault that only women can become pregnant. If men ever can become pregnant then the 14th. will extend all such related legislation to men.
Jerry said:No.
It's not pro life's fault that only women can become pregnant. If men ever can become pregnant then the 14th. will extend all such related legislation to men.
Jerry said:As it is, pro life defends both unborn boys and girls, minorities and majority racial groups, poor and wealthy, homosexual and heterosexual; whereas pro choice wishes to allow the woman the option to abort at her discression, like, say, "I don't want to have a black baby".
steen said:It is both. Placing a burden on pregnnat women that nobody else has is very much discrimination, making her a second-class citizen.
But that the prolife movement insist on ONLY the woman being forced to give bodily resources against her will to save lives, THAT very much is the pro-lifers fault.star2589 said:the fact that only women get pregnant has nothing to do with the pro-life movement.
steen said:However, pro-life IS discriminating against women. What you are saying is that if men could get pregnant, then pro-life would ALSO discriminate against men.
steen said:But that the prolife movement insist on ONLY the woman being forced to give bodily resources against her will to save lives, THAT very much is the pro-lifers fault.
steen said:However, pro-life IS discriminating against women. What you are saying is that if men could get pregnant, then pro-life would ALSO discriminate against men.
Discriminating agai nst pregnant women vs everybody else, incl. yourself, who you are NOT forcing to give bodily resources against your will.star2589 said:well, in order for it to be "discrimination" doesnt there have to be something in comparison? for example, discriminating against women vs men, or discriminating against blacks vs whites?
But still discrimination. When you insist on women having a duty that you excuse yourself from, then it is discrimination and hypocricy.if men and women are being treated equally, its not discrimination. at the very least, its not discrimination based on sex.
Yes, exactly. And that discrimination is wrong. THAT IS MY POINT HERE. Unless you insist that EVERYBODY must give bodily resources against their will to save lives, then it is discrimination. When you excuse yourself from the duty you want to force on the pregnant woman, then it is discrimination AND hypocricy.I suppose you could call it "discrimination against pregnant people", who as it just happens to turn out, are always women.
And that is one of the problems with your argument. The duty is ONLY on the woman and not anybody else, and it is ONLY for the fetus and not anybody else's life. It is biased, it is discriminatory, it is hypocrisy.star2589 said:not to save lives in general, only to save her fetus's life. I'd never say that pregnant woman should be forced to donate their blood (or whatever) to me, or to anyone else except her fetus.
But you are not holding anybody ELSE to that standard. YOU don't have to give your bodily resources to save "life." yet you want the pregnant woman to do so. It is VERY glaring from where I view it. It detracts seriously from the pro-life integrity, this idea of forcing others to do what they cowardly refuse to endure themselves. Very much a "do as I say, not as I do" lameness.if a man ever got pregnant i'd hold him to the same standards, but men just dont get pregnant. I can't control that fact.
Of course there would be, until YOU start submitting to the same duty to give your bodily resources that you want to force on the pregnant person. Until then, the pro-life argument is hypocritical.Synch said:\Men and woman combined make up 100% of our population...
If both are able to get pregnant, there would be no discrimination..
steen said:Yes, exactly. And that discrimination is wrong. THAT IS MY POINT HERE.
steen said:Unless you insist that EVERYBODY must give bodily resources against their will to save lives, then it is discrimination.
steen said:When you excuse yourself from the duty you want to force on the pregnant woman, then it is discrimination AND hypocricy.
steen said:The duty is ONLY on the woman and not anybody else
steen said:it is ONLY for the fetus and not anybody else's life. It is biased, it is discriminatory, it is hypocrisy.
steen said:But you are not holding anybody ELSE to that standard. YOU don't have to give your bodily resources to save "life." yet you want the pregnant woman to do so.
:roflsteen said:However, pro-life IS discriminating against women. What you are saying is that if men could get pregnant, then pro-life would ALSO discriminate against men.
You're trying to change the subject by deliberately misrepresenting you're opponent's argument.steen said:But that the prolife movement insist on ONLY the woman being forced to give bodily resources against her will to save lives, THAT very much is the pro-lifers fault.
I, as a recovering Voyager fan, was in shock when I saw what Species 8472 could do to the Borg.star2589 said:BTW, species 8472 is awesome!
:2wave:
Jerry said:I, as a recovering Voyager fan, was in shock when I saw what Species 8472 could do to the Borg.
That and people have told me I look like one
talloulou said:Prochoice currently discriminates against men because they basically have no reproductive rights and they do not have an opt out clause for when they don't wish to be a father. With prochoice a man can be FORCED into fatherhood. A woman can not.
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