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Is president trump helping or hurting the image of the GOP?

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Is president trump helping or hurting the image of the GOP?
 

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Hill Republicans are doing much worse to hurt the image of the GOP than Trump could ever hope to do. Trump is not actually a Republican as much as he is a Charlatan, a new a different political entity. Once Trump's term is over there will be no enduring Trumpian image on the GOP. But the core of the GOP is in bad shape, real bad shape.
 

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Hill Republicans are doing much worse to hurt the image of the GOP than Trump could ever hope to do. Trump is not actually a Republican as much as he is a Charlatan, a new a different political entity. Once Trump's term is over there will be no enduring Trumpian image on the GOP. But the core of the GOP is in bad shape, real bad shape.

Not sure what is meant by "enduring Trumpian image" because as far as I can see, that's the only thing the GOP has remaining.
All conservatism vanished a while ago. There is nothing behind the Trump Republican Party (might as well refer to them as Trumpers) except an empty shell where conservatism used to live.

Once Trump's tenure in the White House is over, there will be nothing left of the Republican Party, nothing of value.
Like Esau of biblical times, they traded their birthright for a bowl of soup.
 

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Is president trump helping or hurting the image of the GOP?

Trump has removed the veneer imagery of the Republican Party and now it can be seen for what it is. It is Corporatism on steroids. I don't think most people like that.
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He has improved my image of the GOP. They were feckless losers before he got there. He still has some work to do to make the GOP great.

McCain, Flake, Corker, Ryan are gone. They squandered Trumps first year or so.

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Hill Republicans are doing much worse to hurt the image of the GOP than Trump could ever hope to do. Trump is not actually a Republican as much as he is a Charlatan, a new a different political entity. Once Trump's term is over there will be no enduring Trumpian image on the GOP. But the core of the GOP is in bad shape, real bad shape.


Trump has exposed the ugly side of the GOP.

Racist, flag-waving, nationalistic xenophobes.


An Anglo-Saxon Male candidate can always lower himself to appeal to that group and be guaranteed 30% of the vote it seems. And over 50% of the GOP vote.


Has the GOP lurched irrecoverably to the right and after Trump is long gone, we get right wing candidates just like him ?
They said that the one good thing about Hitler was that he was so stupid.
God forbid if the next "Trump" actually has some intelligence.
 

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Is president trump helping or hurting the image of the GOP?

The image of any political party is directly tied to that party's president. Any president is the fact of their party. How that president fairs in his image to and of the public, so too does his party follow suit. The party out of power usually gets a more or less free pass image wise with the public. The less partisan, the non-affiliated make up their minds what they think of a president's party by what they think of the president himself.

With independents, we know Republicans will vote for their candidates, Democrats for theirs. When independents are angry at a president for something he did or didn't do, they'll vote for and support the other party. When they are happy with a president, they vote for and support his party's candidates.

The image of the Republican Party is the image of Trump by the people. The image of the Democratic was the image of Obama by the people and so on. It's not the image of the party out of power that causes people to vote the way they do, it is the image of the president and the party in power that matters.
 

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Trump has removed the veneer imagery of the Republican Party and now it can be seen for what it is. It is Corporatism on steroids. I don't think most people like that.
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No it's nationalism.

Hitler appealed to the same set of human emotions in the 1930's.


Trump's opponents are branded by his rallies as treasonous.

Even on here, they're described as "marxist", "communist" etc.
 

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Is president trump helping or hurting the image of the GOP?

President Trump has nothing to do with the "image" of the GOP. The media determines their image.
 

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He has improved my image of the GOP. They were feckless losers before he got there. He still has some work to do to make the GOP great.

McCain, Flake, Corker, Ryan are gone. They squandered Trumps first year or so.

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What was the GOP doing to make them feckless losers and what is the president doing to make the GOP great again? If you don't mind my asking?
 

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After two years, there is no difference between Trumpkins and Republicans. They both serve to contaminate and pollute the other.
 

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The image of any political party is directly tied to that party's president. Any president is the fact of their party. How that president fairs in his image to and of the public, so too does his party follow suit. The party out of power usually gets a more or less free pass image wise with the public. The less partisan, the non-affiliated make up their minds what they think of a president's party by what they think of the president himself.

With independents, we know Republicans will vote for their candidates, Democrats for theirs. When independents are angry at a president for something he did or didn't do, they'll vote for and support the other party. When they are happy with a president, they vote for and support his party's candidates.

The image of the Republican Party is the image of Trump by the people. The image of the Democratic was the image of Obama by the people and so on. It's not the image of the party out of power that causes people to vote the way they do, it is the image of the president and the party in power that matters.

I'm sorry but I disagree. Yes a president represents and is the spokesperson for that party, however, the president is not supposed to exclusively represent one party. Before Obama was elected the amount of hatred from the right was undeniable. Earliest candidate to ever require secret service protection and he was only a candidate. I am bored to death hearing it's both sides. Another dare I say, HUGE, difference. Obama never spoke the way this president speaks. He didn't play the victim card where anything negative said about him he had to tweet or get on tv and complain. The racist right hated Obama and it's part of the reason the can't stand democrats. The right views all democrats as socialist liberals who want equal rights for all. It threatens their diminishing white america.
 

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That so many Republicans either openly support Trump, or are too cowardly to speak out against him, means that the party will carry the stench of this dumpster fire long after Donald leaves the political stage.
 

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President Trump has nothing to do with the "image" of the GOP. The media determines their image.

So am I getting your answer correctly? The party of personal accountability, isn't that one of the claims the GOP makes? In other words you are trying to tell me trump is not responsible for his own words and actions. Oh, oh, oh, I forgot. We're not supposed to take what he says literally. My bad.
 

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trick question. there is no longer a GOP. it is now the Trumpist party.
 

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President Trump has nothing to do with the "image" of the GOP. The media determines their image.

It depends which media people watch/read/listen to doesn't it ?


If you watch Trump's apologetic channel you'll think that Trump is the best president ever and deserves the nation's full support. That there is definitely an emergency on the Southern border and that Trump should do whatever is necessary to put an end to it.

You'd watch Fox News and come away thinking you should support Trump and that he and the GOP are the paragons of virtue.
 

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That so many Republicans either openly support Trump, or are too cowardly to speak out against him, means that the party will carry the stench of this dumpster fire long after Donald leaves the political stage.

That is correct. The GOP will carry their legacy on their own shoulders. Which was what I was driving at in my first post.

Does anybody actually think that after Trump leaves office he will:
- carry the weight and bearing of other living past Presidents as it relates to their political parties
- be some sort of figurehead revered by some percentage of the masses
- be looked to for future guidance of the country

NO....NO....And NO!!!!!

Trump will be done and dusted as a political figure and even as a object of post-Presidency reverence. Ask a member of the GOP about Donald Trump a week after he leaves the WH and the answer you will get is....Donald Who?

What is left of the GOP will be left trying to convince the country that he ran and led as a Democrat! Their stench is in having run Bozo the Clown for President in the first place.
 
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So am I getting your answer correctly? The party of personal accountability, isn't that one of the claims the GOP makes? In other words you are trying to tell me trump is not responsible for his own words and actions. Oh, oh, oh, I forgot. We're not supposed to take what he says literally. My bad.

Nope. That's not what I'm saying at all.

"Image" is determined by perception. Perception isn't necessarily indicative of what is seen. It is determined by the internal bias of the viewer...or by the bias of others who express the image they perceive.

In the case of the GOP, their image is primarily determined by what the media says about them. Then, the consumers of that media...being too lazy to make an effort of creating their own internal image...simply accept the image presented by the media, which is solely based on the bias of that media.

In the case of Trump supposedly affecting the image of the GOP, well...you have the media applying their bias to Trump's actions and then extending the image they've created to the GOP.

It's all rather dishonest, if you ask me, but my original statement is correct: President Trump has nothing to do with the "image" of the GOP. The media determines their image.
 

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It depends which media people watch/read/listen to doesn't it ?


If you watch Trump's apologetic channel you'll think that Trump is the best president ever and deserves the nation's full support. That there is definitely an emergency on the Southern border and that Trump should do whatever is necessary to put an end to it.

You'd watch Fox News and come away thinking you should support Trump and that he and the GOP are the paragons of virtue.

This is true...but only if you allow the media to influence you.

Personally, I see no reason consider the bias of any media when forming my own "image" of something. I have my own bias. I don't need their bias.
 

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You are responsible for your own public facing image as a person, as a party, as a company. Media either attenuates it or inflates it. But what is there is there because YOU put it there. If people cannot tell where the public figure ends and media starts, that is their problem.

That is why considering Cable News anything more than entertainment or maybe even background noise is laughably absurd.
 

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This is true...but only if you allow the media to influence you.

Personally, I see no reason consider the bias of any media when forming my own "image" of something. I have my own bias. I don't need their bias.

But on the other hand you are saying it's the media creating his image. NO. We can see and hear him creating his own picture in people's minds. It has nothing to do with the media. Trump claims he will own the shutdown for his wall that he said mexico would pay for, over and over. So tell me, how did the media create anything other than replay what he did and said? So in agreement with you, I don't need the media either to tell me what my opinion is or isn't.
 

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Is president trump helping or hurting the image of the GOP?

They have gotten behind a charlatan and he has exposed and brought into the light what was always veiled and camouflaged before. Fear of others, preservation of white Eurocentric power at the expense of all others.
 

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This is true...but only if you allow the media to influence you.


Then why do you say "...the media determines their image..." ?

You said it as a matter of fact. That the media DOES make this determination.


Now you're saying it only has the potential to do this ?


More back peddling ?
 

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I'm sorry but I disagree. Yes a president represents and is the spokesperson for that party, however, the president is not supposed to exclusively represent one party. Before Obama was elected the amount of hatred from the right was undeniable. Earliest candidate to ever require secret service protection and he was only a candidate. I am bored to death hearing it's both sides. Another dare I say, HUGE, difference. Obama never spoke the way this president speaks. He didn't play the victim card where anything negative said about him he had to tweet or get on tv and complain. The racist right hated Obama and it's part of the reason the can't stand democrats. The right views all democrats as socialist liberals who want equal rights for all. It threatens their diminishing white america.

History has shown that approximately 90% of Republicans and Democrats will vote for candidates of their party. Sometimes a bit higher, others a bit lower. It's independents I was talking about, it is how they view the party in power via the president, the spokesman as you put it. The face of the party in power.

Hatred of one party for the other, there was probably some in their deep dedicated members all the time. But During Bill Clinton GOP hatred for him and the Democrats raised it ugly head. For the most party Democrats loved him, Republicans hated him, independents neither, but based what they thought about the Democratic Party on Bill's actions. When independents really disliked Bill and the Democrats for their tax increases, 56% of them voted Republican in the 1994 midterm giving the GOP the House for the first time in 40 years.

The Democrats really didn't like G.W. Bush either. Independents who had been voting Republican since 1994 switch to vote Democratic in 2006 as they got angry at Bush. They equated the Republican Party with Bush, the face, the head of the GOP and 57% of them voted for the Democrats in 2006. Angry at the Republican Party, not really. just sick and tired of G.W. Bush. Independents again equated the Republican Party with Bush.

Democratic hatred of Bush was more than the GOP's hatred of Bill Clinton, but no all that bad. Obama, for sure the Republican hatred of him was a lot more than they had for Bill. Also the Democratic hatred of Trump is out of this world compared to their hatred of G.W. Bush.

Independents do determine on how they vote in how they see, like or dislike the president. The image of they have of the president is the image they have of his party.
 

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Since Ryan is gone. There’s one more person that we should get rid of before the next midterm and we have to try harder because I’m sorry last year was a completely a joke. Why didn’t we just campaign for the democrats oh wait we did
 
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