Is Obama pro or anti gun rights?

[Crimefree]

As a constitutional scholar and professor, Obama strongly supports the rights granted to individual citizens under the Constitution. He also supports gun control, as most people do.

Band waggoning: Bandwagon-and-inevitable-victory appeals attempt to persuade the target audience to take a course of action "everyone else is taking." "Join the crowd." This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their interest to join.~~"Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1" published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979.

He has a view of guns that is different from those who are really into it...the ones who wear camo or go to the shooting range every weekend for fun, collect guns, talk about guns, dream about guns, buy their kids guns for their 10th birthday, etc.

It is not possible to have a different view of constitutional rights. Either they are a right or they are not. Rights are not divisible. In the case of our rights they apply to all people for exactly the same reason as dictated by the founders. The last time I checked that had noting to do with sports, clothing, hobbies, recreation, dreams or birthday presents. That to me looks like Name Calling or Substitutions of Names or Moral Labels. This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable.~~"Psychological Operations Field Manual No.33-1" published by Headquarters; Department of the Army, in Washington DC, on 31 August 1979.

Looks like you are quoting the propaganda that convinced you.

 

[Crimefree]

The man is a raving gun control advocate who presents falsity supporting gun control using propaganda techniques at every opportunity he gets. What does that make him? Signing laws has nothing to do with his desires and intent and is no measure of his beliefs.

 

[Casper]

Hope has never worked very well :lol:

Firearm owners if organised have the power to dictate terms of any elected official. They are just lead by a bunch of ignorant lazy officials who are to tired to even think. Some like the NRA think they can buy politicians and politicians control the outcome. I'm not sure why such utter stupidity even exists. Possibly a reflection of a school system that is beholden to governments supposed supremacy.

Then I hope they use that influence to dictate to Hillary when she is elected, right now I see nothing stopping her from winning.

 

[Casper]

Think about the loss of public safety, freedom and rights. Somewhere somebody has to stand up and represent the public's safety and it sure as hell is not gun control or government. Who is it and who has the most to lose here?

The public has the most to lose, those of us that think ahead will not be hard hit by more nonsense gun laws. Yes, I do think people should stand up and make their voices heard but at the same time I am Always and will Always remain a Realist, meaning that while I may hope for an outcome I do not ignore the facts and reality of a situation and as such am in a better situation to prepare for the worst case scenario, hope many other Americans are also watching with both eyes open. We shall see.

 

[TheGoverness]

The public has the most to lose, those of us that think ahead will not be hard hit by more nonsense gun laws. Yes, I do think people should stand up and make their voices heard but at the same time I am Always and will Always remain a Realist, meaning that while I may hope for an outcome I do not ignore the facts and reality of a situation and as such am in a better situation to prepare for the worst case scenario, hope many other Americans are also watching with both eyes open. We shall see.

But I have a feeling any proposed gun legislation Hillary may propose is gonna be shut down pretty quick. It always was when Obama tried.

 

[Casper]

But I have a feeling any proposed gun legislation Hillary may propose is gonna be shut down pretty quick. It always was when Obama tried.

I assume nothing when it comes to Hillary, she is far more strong willed than Obama has ever been.

 

[yankintx]

Of course he is, just look at any of his speeches following a mass shooting. He, and many other leftists, always attempt to use these events to rally enough support to crack down on gun rights.

Words are cheap from politicians, I judge on actions. Which bill did the Pres sign to limit your 2nd amendment rights? And please. keep it to facts ok, not conjecture, good luck!!

 

[RJApple]

Words are cheap from politicians, I judge on actions. Which bill did the Pres sign to limit your 2nd amendment rights? And please. keep it to facts ok, not conjecture, good luck!!

The specific question asked by this poll/thread was, "Is Obama pro or anti gun rights," not "Has Obama instituted any legislation to limit gun-rights." Regardless of whether one is a politician, words are the primary way people convey our opinions (unless you're a terrorist), and this thread was, as far as I understand it, addressing what people thought Obama's opinions regarding gun-rights are. In my opinion, Obama's rhetoric has repeatedly conveyed he is not in favor of gun-rights. Again, I present exhibit A: practically every speech he's made following a mass shooting.

 

[yankintx]

The specific question asked by this poll/thread was, "Is Obama pro or anti gun rights," not "Has Obama instituted any legislation to limit gun-rights." Regardless of whether one is a politician, words are the primary way people convey our opinions (unless you're a terrorist), and this thread was, as far as I understand it, addressing what people thought Obama's opinions regarding gun-rights are. In my opinion, Obama's rhetoric has repeatedly conveyed he is not in favor of gun-rights. Again, I present exhibit A: practically every speech he's made following a mass shooting.

And you got nothing in response in regards to Obama passing legislature infringing on your 2nd amendment rights. as I expected. The sky is falling, Obama and Clinton are going to take your oh so sacred guns!! Please, I support your right to have as MANY guns as you think necessary, but don't use hyperbole to demonize those who have not done squat to your 2nd Amendment rights, middle America is so tired of hearing that crap.

 

[RJApple]

And you got nothing in response in regards to Obama passing legislature infringing on your 2nd amendment rights. as I expected. The sky is falling, Obama and Clinton are going to take your oh so sacred guns!! Please, I support your right to have as MANY guns as you think necessary, but don't use hyperbole to demonize those who have not done squat to your 2nd Amendment rights, middle America is so tired of hearing that crap.

Please explain to me how any of what I wrote, in either post, was hyperbole, and please point to where I said that they are going to take people's guns. All I did was answer the OP's question. I never said Obama was going to take people's guns. I never even mentioned Hillary Clinton, let alone said she was going to take people's guns. All I did was state what I believe to be Obama's opinion on gun-rights.

 

[TurtleDude]

Words are cheap from politicians, I judge on actions. Which bill did the Pres sign to limit your 2nd amendment rights? And please. keep it to facts ok, not conjecture, good luck!!

Not this silliness again. Obama never had any bills presented to him to sign

Do you have any clue how american legislation is enacted? Congress passes laws, the president signs or vetoes them. The Democrats-when they had control of the congress, were too cowardly to pass gun bans knowing they would face a serious ass kicking as they did in 1994 Once the GOP got hold of congress-anti gun laws were not going to happen

We have already proven Obama is a gun hater. His VP is one of the most virulent gun haters in the history of the senate. Obama's first appointment to the supreme court is a well known gun hater, Kagan had no judicial experience but everything about her suggests a gun banner. and his current nominee is certainly not seen as being pro freedom when it comes to firearms issues

 

[TurtleDude]

Please explain to me how any of what I wrote, in either post, was hyperbole, and please point to where I said that they are going to take people's guns. All I did was answer the OP's question. I never said Obama was going to take people's guns. I never even mentioned Hillary Clinton, let alone said she was going to take people's guns. All I did was state what I believe to be Obama's opinion on gun-rights.

Obama supporters who are actually gun owners or claim to be pro gun are in a difficult position. They know Obama is an anti gun activist. But they want to pretend they didn't sell out gun rights by supporting one of the most anti gun candidates to ever win the oval office

 

[yankintx]

Not this silliness again. Obama never had any bills presented to him to sign

Do you have any clue how american legislation is enacted? Congress passes laws, the president signs or vetoes them. The Democrats-when they had control of the congress, were too cowardly to pass gun bans knowing they would face a serious ass kicking as they did in 1994 Once the GOP got hold of congress-anti gun laws were not going to happen

We have already proven Obama is a gun hater. His VP is one of the most virulent gun haters in the history of the senate. Obama's first appointment to the supreme court is a well known gun hater, Kagan had no judicial experience but everything about her suggests a gun banner. and his current nominee is certainly not seen as being pro freedom when it comes to firearms issues

I am out of here, I really have little interest in guns or the controversy that surrounds them. I carried one in Iraqi and had to kill people, no thanks.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am out of here, I really have little interest in guns or the controversy that surrounds them. I carried one in Iraqi and had to kill people, no thanks.

Thank you for your service and may you never suffer for having to do your duty

 

[yankintx]

Thank you for your service and may you never suffer for having to do your duty

Thanks

And thank you for keeping it civil, very few folks on both sides of the issue keep it that way. That is why in general I stay away for gun and abortion debates, way to much passion on both subjects, and I really have no hard opinion on either subject.

 

[matchlight]

Just wait till Hillary gets in. Obama is a saint when it comes to our rights compared to her. Obama will be just the opening act to the greatest loss of our rights since FDR when she gets in.

I am praying that the Belle of Benghazi will be indicted for felony violations of federal law.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am praying that the Belle of Benghazi will be indicted for felony violations of federal law.

even if Obama pardons her, it will be good for the nation for the lying bitch who ran the "bimbo eruption" squad for her hound dog husband to be indicted

 

[matchlight]

Not this silliness again. Obama never had any bills presented to him to sign

Do you have any clue how american legislation is enacted? Congress passes laws, the president signs or vetoes them. The Democrats-when they had control of the congress, were too cowardly to pass gun bans knowing they would face a serious ass kicking as they did in 1994 Once the GOP got hold of congress-anti gun laws were not going to happen

We have already proven Obama is a gun hater. His VP is one of the most virulent gun haters in the history of the senate. Obama's first appointment to the supreme court is a well known gun hater, Kagan had no judicial experience but everything about her suggests a gun banner. and his current nominee is certainly not seen as being pro freedom when it comes to firearms issues

I am missing Justice Scalia. I didn't always agree with his opinions, but they were consistently well-written and forceful, with clear reasoning and conclusions supported by plenty of evidence. I'm concerned that Heller could be overruled. Put a couple more like Kagan and Sotomayor on the Court, and give it a few years.

I think someone else said it earlier--Obama's habit of rushing to make doleful statements after every mass shooting gives me a good idea that he doesn't like the Second Amendment.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am missing Justice Scalia. I didn't always agree with his opinions, but they were consistently well-written and forceful, with clear reasoning and conclusions supported by plenty of evidence. I'm concerned that Heller could be overruled. Put a couple more like Kagan and Sotomayor on the Court, and give it a few years.

I think someone else said it earlier--Obama's habit of rushing to make doleful statements after every mass shooting gives me a good idea that he doesn't like the Second Amendment.

the last thing any democrat running for office in an area where gun issues are contested is such a ruling

BB tomorrow night

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Firearm owners if organised have the power to dictate terms of any elected official.

Gun owners are politically diverse. We don't all line up obediently behind pro-gun candidates because we have other issues we care about.

 

[Crimefree]

Gun owners are politically diverse. We don't all line up obediently behind pro-gun candidates because we have other issues we care about.

Such as giving away your rights?

I could point to the falsity of your claim by directing you to gun controls support. That they do not do so is simply a factor of useless and non-existent leadership and a complete willingness to abandon their rights. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Here is a test.

What issue is more important than your rights?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Here is a test.

What issue is more important than your rights?

There are more rights in this country under threat than our gun rights. I may, for instance, value my privacy rights and my reproductive rights more than my gun rights, and the people who support "my rights" when it comes to guns are usually the ones leading the charge against my religious rights or my bodily autonomy.

Furthermore, I believe rights are meaningless without the means to exercise them, so I have frequently hold my nose and vote for anti-gun candidates on the basis of their economic policies.

None of this is due to a "lack of leadership" or some kind of disdain for my own rights. I hate our political system for this, but sometimes we are forced to choose between candidates who oppose liberty in different ways.

 

[Bootlace]

If obama could effectively disarm the entire nation by EO, I believe he would. Unfortunately, if it was possible it would have happend long before we knew his name.

 

[TurtleDude]

As a constitutional scholar and professor, Obama strongly supports the rights granted to individual citizens under the Constitution. He also supports gun control, as most people do.

He has a view of guns that is different from those who are really into it...the ones who wear camo or go to the shooting range every weekend for fun, collect guns, talk about guns, dream about guns, buy their kids guns for their 10th birthday, etc.

1) the constitution was not intended to GRANT rights but to recognize rights the founders believed existed prior to the government being created.

2) Obama was never a professor of constitutional law. He does not support the second amendment as it was intended to be interpreted or how the supreme court has ruled it be interpreted.

3) he has publicly admired and suggested that the British and Australian gun ban schemes should be imposed on the USA. He has supported a complete ban on handguns which is unconstitutional. He is anti gun and he does not believe the second amendment is something that should be respected by the federal government.

Most people DO NOT SUPPORT confiscating handguns, semi auto rifles, pump shotguns. Obama does because that is what happened in those two countries. To say otherwise is either dishonest or willful ignorance

 

[TurtleDude]

Gun owners are politically diverse. We don't all line up obediently behind pro-gun candidates because we have other issues we care about.

true-but what is a gut buster are Hillary or Obama supporters who -rather than say that Gun rights take a back seat in their rankings of important issues behind say abortion, gay marriage, union issues or welfare-socialism-try to pretend that Obama or Hildabeast are not anti gun or are as pro gun as say the GOP alternatives.

I support abortion rights and gay marriage. I readily admit that many candidates I have voted for in the past are neither pro choice nor hospitable to gay rights. Why? because tax and gun rights issues, supreme court nominations and economic freedom are MORE important to me than abortion or gays marrying. I am not going to pretend that say Steve Chabot (my congressman who I strongly support) is pro choice.