Is Loretta Lynch an incompetent, or just another political crook and liar?

[Frank Apisa]

It's not partisanship, Frank, on which I'm basing my rejection of Hillary on. It's based on Hillary's long history of corruption. You seem to have chosen to completely ignore or completely discount that.

Seems to me it is based on irrational hatred of the woman...and partisanship.

But...you are saying it is not...and if you have sold yourself on that...fine with me.

 

[Frank Apisa]

The term "liberal" aptly describes the political views you have posted on this forum. the term progressive is simply a label that liberals embarrased by the term "liberal" adopted back in the late 1980s. The term liberal is not meant to be offensive...it simply describes your political views, which are clearly liberal.. And I still challenge you to come up with an alleged difference.

I do not care if it is intended to be offensive or complimentary. I AM NOT A LIBERAL.

 

[Frank Apisa]

If "you support an agenda which protects and expands safety net programs" then you are a liberal, even if you don't like the term. Notice the definition "protects and expands". I did not say cut back or eliminate. YOU are the one who is confused as to the definition of the word liberal merely because you don't like labels, just as most liberals are against the label "illegals" for those that are here in the country ILLEGALLY. You like to take the worldview that just because the US is not as left as many other countries in the world then you are some sort of centrist, even when you actually believe in the liberal views of those other said countries if you felt they could actually be achieved here in the US. And, you like to call yourself an "independent" just because in the past you have voted for both Democrats and Republicans, even though you have not voted for a Republican in 36 years.

I like to call myself an Independent...because I am registered as an Independent. It makes sense.

I am NOT a liberal.

 

[Frank Apisa]

OK, call yourself whatever you like.

Thank you. I will. Just as you should call yourself whatever you like also.

 

[Moderate Right]

I like to call myself an Independent...because I am registered as an Independent. It makes sense.

I am NOT a liberal.

Your state must allow crossover voting in the primaries. I guess being registered as an Independent makes you feel better about yourself, even though you have voted Democratic for 36 years now, unless of course your state allows you to vote for Republicans in the primaries in an attempt to screw up Republican politics. That makes you an Independent in name only. In practice you are a die hard Democratic liberal.

 

[eohrnberger]

Seems to me it is based on irrational hatred of the woman...and partisanship.

But...you are saying it is not...and if you have sold yourself on that...fine with me.

No, It's any sort of irrational hatred. It's the long list of scandals that follow her around.

• Chinagate - The Clinton-Gore campaign in 1996 allegedly took bribes from Chinese banks and their government to help their dwindling poll numbers.
• Travelgate Scandal - Catherine Cornelius, a 25-year-old cousin of Bill's was allegedly promised the position of director of the travel office. Hillary Clinton then (indirectly) fired seven employees from the United States travel office and replaced them with associates from Arkansas. Records were either nowhere to be found or incorrectly filed.
• Whitewater Scandal - Hillary and her husband were partners in a shady real estate development firm called Whitewater Development Corp in Arkansas.
• Vince Foster Jr. Mystery - Questions cloud the suicide of Vince Foster, former colleague, friend, and White House aid of Hillary’s who had connections to Travelgate, and the Whitewater scandals. Read the link above entitled "The Man Who Knew too Much. . ."
• Filegate Scandal - Craig Livingstone, director of the White House's Office of Personnel Security "improperly" accessed FBI files on several hundred individuals.
• Cattle-Futures Miracle - Hillary’s first commodity trade was in cattle futures where she ordered 10 futures contracts which normally cost $12,000 dollars with only $1,000 dollars in her account. This turned into $6,300 dollars by the next morning and after 10 months totaled $100,000, with trading help from James B. Blair.
• Lootergate - Bill and especially Hillary started to ship White House furniture to their personal home in Chappaqua, N.Y.. The Clintons claimed they were donated, but at only some were proven to be donated and meant to stay in the White House after contacting the manufacturers.
• Drug Dealer Donor Scandal - Convicted drug trafficker Jorge Cabrera apparently made such a big donation to the Clinton’s campaign that he was invited to the White house without Secret Service present.
• Ponzi Scheme and Political Favor Scandal - Norman Yung Yuen Hsu was a convicted pyramid investment promoter, and major Democratic donor. He contributed an undisclosed amount to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign.

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/10-scandals-involving-hillary-clinton-you-may-have-forgotten

These are only the highlights, there are more.

Then there's the Russian uranium deal, Hillary's private email server to circumvent FOIA requests also potentially risking national security, and most recently . . .

How Clinton Donor Got on Sensitive Intelligence Board - ABC News Yet another comprise of national security.

A Hillary presidency is only going to be more of the same with even higher stakes and greater damage to the nation.

So I really fail to see where there's any irrationality here. I think it more irrational to be a Hillary supporter, to encourage and welcome just more of the same with even greater risks and dire consequences which would result.

Yeah, I get it. Trump is no gem either, and he has some of his own scandals, but they don't rise the level or damage of Hillary's.

 

[Moderate Right]

No, It's any sort of irrational hatred. It's the long list of scandals that follow her around.


These are only the highlights, there are more.

Then there's the Russian uranium deal, Hillary's private email server to circumvent FOIA requests also potentially risking national security, and most recently . . .

How Clinton Donor Got on Sensitive Intelligence Board - ABC News Yet another comprise of national security.

A Hillary presidency is only going to be more of the same with even higher stakes and greater damage to the nation.

So I really fail to see where there's any irrationality here. I think it more irrational to be a Hillary supporter, to encourage and welcome just more of the same with even greater risks and dire consequences which would result.

Yeah, I get it. Trump is no gem either, and he has some of his own scandals, but they don't rise the level or damage of Hillary's.

There you go again, talking about the vast right wing conspiracy. LOL

 

[Frank Apisa]

Your state must allow crossover voting in the primaries. I guess being registered as an Independent makes you feel better about yourself, even though you have voted Democratic for 36 years now, unless of course your state allows you to vote for Republicans in the primaries in an attempt to screw up Republican politics. That makes you an Independent in name only. In practice you are a die hard Democratic liberal.

I do not vote in primary elections.

I am an Independent by registration...and I am not a Democrat nor a liberal.

 

[Frank Apisa]

No, It's any sort of irrational hatred. It's the long list of scandals that follow her around.

Actually...it is irrational hatred. But you do not want to acknowledge it as such...which is your right.

Fine with me.

These are only the highlights, there are more.

Then there's the Russian uranium deal, Hillary's private email server to circumvent FOIA requests also potentially risking national security, and most recently . . .

How Clinton Donor Got on Sensitive Intelligence Board - ABC News Yet another comprise of national security.

A Hillary presidency is only going to be more of the same with even higher stakes and greater damage to the nation.

I think Hillary's presidency will be a successful one. I certainly hope it is...just as I would wish Donald Trump's presidency, in the highly unlikely chance he were to win...would be a successful one.

So I really fail to see where there's any irrationality here.

I can see that you fail to see it. Too bad, that.

I think it more irrational to be a Hillary supporter, to encourage and welcome just more of the same with even greater risks and dire consequences which would result.

Okay, I appreciate you sharing that with me. I disagree.

Yeah, I get it. Trump is no gem either, and he has some of his own scandals, but they don't rise the level or damage of Hillary's.

I think you feel that way because of your irrational hatred for her.

 

[Moderate Right]

I do not vote in primary elections.

I am an Independent by registration...and I am not a Democrat nor a liberal.

Sure. Think whatever you want. Your affiliation is not secret to anyone here. I find it curious though for someone who has such strong opinions on things you don't vote in a primary.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Sure. Think whatever you want. Your affiliation is not secret to anyone here. I find it curious though for someone who has such strong opinions on things you don't vote in a primary.

You certainly are free to find anything "curious" you want to.

Not only do I NOT vote in a primary...I cannot. I am a registered Independent...and would have to chance my designation...something I have no intention of doing.

 

[Moderate Right]

You certainly are free to find anything "curious" you want to.

Not only do I NOT vote in a primary...I cannot. I am a registered Independent...and would have to chance my designation...something I have no intention of doing.

But there is no chance in your case. You are not going to vote Republican. I am an Independent but I am registered Republican because, like you, I could not vote in the primaries and that bothers me. Since I am "moderate right" I want to have my primary vote count for something. In the generals I usually vote a mix of parties.

 

[Frank Apisa]

But there is no chance in your case. You are not going to vote Republican. I am an Independent but I am registered Republican because, like you, I could not vote in the primaries and that bothers me. Since I am "moderate right" I want to have my primary vote count for something. In the generals I usually vote a mix of parties.

That is extremely interesting...and I thank you for sharing it.

 

[eohrnberger]

Actually...it is irrational hatred. But you do not want to acknowledge it as such...which is your right.

Fine with me.



I think Hillary's presidency will be a successful one. I certainly hope it is...just as I would wish Donald Trump's presidency, in the highly unlikely chance he were to win...would be a successful one.



I can see that you fail to see it. Too bad, that.




Okay, I appreciate you sharing that with me. I disagree.



I think you feel that way because of your irrational hatred for her.

I post a legitimate and accurate history of previous Clinton scandals to substantiate her long standing track record of corruption and questionable judgement, and since previous performance is a good indicator of future performance, express concerns about a Hillary presidency, only to be accused of irrationality by the likes of you.

Further, you won't even equally substantiate your own 'opinion' to the same level of thoroughness.

You are losing, or have already lost, any modicum of credibility that you might have previously had, if not in the eyes of the entire forum, then certainly in my eyes.

We are done here. Talking to a parrot or a wall is no fun.

 

[Frank Apisa]

I post a legitimate and accurate history of previous Clinton scandals to substantiate her long standing track record of corruption and questionable judgement, and since previous performance is a good indicator of future performance, express concerns about a Hillary presidency, only to be accused of irrationality by the likes of you.

Further, you won't even equally substantiate your own 'opinion' to the same level of thoroughness.

You are losing, or have already lost, any modicum of credibility that you might have previously had, if not in the eyes of the entire forum, then certainly in my eyes.

We are done here. Talking to a parrot or a wall is no fun.

Hey, Eo...we'll talk tomorrow again. Perhaps then you won't be in such a grumpy mood.

Hillary Clinton is by far the best candidate being offered this election. She is a competent, capable, intelligent individual who, in my opinion, should get the vote of anyone who truly cares about this country.

 

[eohrnberger]

Hey, Eo...we'll talk tomorrow again. Perhaps then you won't be in such a grumpy mood.

Hillary Clinton is by far the best candidate being offered this election. She is a competent, capable, intelligent individual who, in my opinion, should get the vote of anyone who truly cares about this country.

And the unsubstantiation parrot speaks once again.

 

[Frank Apisa]

And the unsubstantiation parrot speaks once again.

Oh, you are still here.

Thought from your previous post that you were gone.

Oh, well.

We can talk now...rather than tomorrow...if you get over your snit.

 

[Moderate Right]

And the unsubstantiation parrot speaks once again.

It's not easy to change a bot's programming. A bot is a bot is a bot. I wish though that those who support Hillary would just come out and admit that she is lying dishonest crook but that they feel she has the best policies for the country, especially when compared to Trump. To bury their heads in the sand as to her continuous unending scandals just shows someone who is too partisan to be trusted with a vote.

 

[NoLeftNoRight]

Hey, Eo...we'll talk tomorrow again. Perhaps then you won't be in such a grumpy mood.
Hillary Clinton is by far the best candidate being offered this election. She is a competent, capable, intelligent individual who, in my opinion, should get the vote of anyone who truly cares about this country.

There were in fact those fools, throughout history, that gave some of the most notorious and criminally minded politicians their full support.....at the cost of unimaginable human suffering.
Germany, circa 1936 is but one example. But the list is quite long....dwarfed only by the number of gullible fools available at any given time in history.

This comment is a generalization. It is not personally directed to anyone.

 

[Roger1]

To answer your question: Yes, Yes & Yes

Loretta Lynch said that she would never do that again, and Hillary Clinton resounded the same EMPTY narrative.
Shoot someone in the head, then tell the judge that you would never do it again.

When Loretta Lynch and Hillary Clinton tell you that it will never happen again,
they are telling you loud & clear that they will never get CAUGHT again.

I live in a wholesome family environment where the word "Democrat" is forbidden near mealtime.

 

[TheHammer]

"Prove" is one of those words tossed about carelessly in these kinds of discussions, Hammer.

Your claim...the one I took exception to, was:



I'll leave the veracity of that statement up to you.

Here is where I am:

On a continuum with Very conservative at 0 and Very liberal at 10...I would be found at position "P."

In other words, I am not even on that continuum; I am outside that box.

BUT...as for liberal agenda items...I am very far to the left of people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, for example.

VERY FAR.

I doubt seriously that any of them would champion the progressive agenda I advocate.

So...if you indeed are that far to the left...and no further to the right...then you are correct and I am wrong. You are, in fact, no more to the right than I am.

But, if you would be uncomfortable being where I am...if you are to the right of that...then you are wrong.

So...I cannot "prove" that I am not as far right as you...

...but I am willing to take your word on the issue after having read what I wrote here.

So...what say you?

I say the definitions you use are media misnomers. Democrats are not "liberals" and Republicans are not "conservatives." This nation was founded on true liberalism. The Bill Of Rights proves America's classical liberalism. A true conservative is a supporter and promoter of the very liberal Bill Of Rights and promotes the "conservation" thereof.

I'm well aware that you're a devoted socialist and likely a communist. Would you claim to be to the right or left of Joseph Stalin?

I claim to be to the right of socialism and to the left of corporate crony capitalism. I claim to be a Constitution literalist, a Constitution republican, a true liberal/conservative.

 

[TheHammer]

The fact that Obama endorsed Hillary already says that he thinks she won't be indicted, much to pity. By all rights, her actions certainly seems to have warranted it.

The fact that Obama is presently campaigning for Hillary tells me the fix is in.

 

[TheHammer]

neither, you are demonizing someone that doesnt deserve it.

And you're gonna explain in depth and argue in opposition to that accusation, right?

 

[TheHammer]

There's no reason she can't be both.

Agreed!

 

[TheHammer]

How about neither?

Then in your world it's neither incompetent or crooked for the Attorney General to have a private closed door meeting with the husband of a woman being investigated by the FBI and Justice Department, right? If Dick Cheney was the Attorney General and George W. Bush had a private meeting with him while his wife was being investigated by the FBI and the Justice Department, of course you'd find that neither incompetent of Cheney or crooked, right? :2rofll:

We don't know what they talked about. So why pretend that you do?

I'm not claiming I know what they talked about. I'm saying that Lynch is either incompetent or crooked because they DID talk about something. Do you understand the word "impropriety?" She's either stupid or a crook. Maybe both!