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Is Loretta Lynch an incompetent, or just another political crook and liar?

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Got some links to prove those claims?

Or is this your daily faux outrage

You're kidding, right! You're unaware of the disgusting private conversation between Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch, right?:2rofll:
 

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There were in fact those fools, throughout history, that gave some of the most notorious and criminally minded politicians their full support.....at the cost of unimaginable human suffering.
Germany, circa 1936 is but one example. But the list is quite long....dwarfed only by the number of gullible fools available at any given time in history.

This comment is a generalization. It is not personally directed to anyone.

Really.

And I thought it was directed at me.

Get over your anger and hatred.
 

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I say the definitions you use are media misnomers. Democrats are not "liberals" and Republicans are not "conservatives." This nation was founded on true liberalism. The Bill Of Rights proves America's classical liberalism. A true conservative is a supporter and promoter of the very liberal Bill Of Rights and promotes the "conservation" thereof.

I'm well aware that you're a devoted socialist and likely a communist. Would you claim to be to the right or left of Joseph Stalin?

I claim to be to the right of socialism and to the left of corporate crony capitalism. I claim to be a Constitution literalist, a Constitution republican, a true liberal/conservative.

I said what I had to say.

Read it again.
 

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No need for that kind of thing!

Have more self-respect.

I have plenty of self respect. What I'm starting to lose respect for is you, and your endless parroting of the same affirmations, without any sort of substantiations for your opinion / position.
 

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I have plenty of self respect. What I'm starting to lose respect for is you, and your endless parroting of the same affirmations, without any sort of substantiations for your opinion / position.

There is no need for that kind of thing, Eo. It really is not necessary.

If you truly had any self-respect, you almost certainly would not engage in it anywhere near as often as you do.
 

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There is no need for that kind of thing, Eo. It really is not necessary.

If you truly had any self-respect, you almost certainly would not engage in it anywhere near as often as you do.

There's no need to call you out on your often repeated, never substantiated tripe? No, I think it most certainly is called for. Put up some substance for a change.
 

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There's no need to call you out on your often repeated, never substantiated tripe? No, I think it most certainly is called for. Put up some substance for a change.

I do not think Loretta Lynch is incompetent...I do not think she is a crook...I do not think she lies more than other humans.

Not sure what kind of "substance" is needed for that, but if you think she is any of those things...think it.
 

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I do not think Loretta Lynch is incompetent...I do not think she is a crook...I do not think she lies more than other humans.

Not sure what kind of "substance" is needed for that, but if you think she is any of those things...think it.

I'm decidedly undecided about Lynch. From what I've heard she did well in her previous position as AG for NYC. I think she's got sucked into Clinton's wake of corruption, and might not be handling it in the best possible manner.

There. A position, undecided, a reason, her performance at NYC, and where me appears to be at present. A complete thought.​
 

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I do not think Loretta Lynch is incompetent...I do not think she is a crook...I do not think she lies more than other humans.

Not sure what kind of "substance" is needed for that, but if you think she is any of those things...think it.

Please name some Democrats that you think are incompetent, a crook, or excessively lie. If you can't fit Hillary into that category then you can't fit anyone into that category.
 

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I'm decidedly undecided about Lynch. From what I've heard she did well in her previous position as AG for NYC. I think she's got sucked into Clinton's wake of corruption, and might not be handling it in the best possible manner.

There. A position, undecided, a reason, her performance at NYC, and where me appears to be at present. A complete thought.​

I personally think either one of two things:

1. Bill Clinton really did blindside her for his advantage. Come on now, he went through all that work meeting her because he wanted to talk about his grandkids so bad to the AG in charge of his wife's fate? If this is what happened she should be royally pissed at him.

2. It has become knowledge to those in the know that Clinton will not be indicted and they worried about Lynch and the administration being blamed for putting in the fix so all of them hatched this plan to meet Clinton on purpose so she could "recuse" herself from the decision to make it more transparent that the fix was not in. Career prosecutors and the FBI would take the heat for the decision instead of the AG or the administration.
 

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I personally think either one of two things:

1. Bill Clinton really did blindside her for his advantage. Come on now, he went through all that work meeting her because he wanted to talk about his grandkids so bad to the AG in charge of his wife's fate? If this is what happened she should be royally pissed at him.

2. It has become knowledge to those in the know that Clinton will not be indicted and they worried about Lynch and the administration being blamed for putting in the fix so all of them hatched this plan to meet Clinton on purpose so she could "recuse" herself from the decision to make it more transparent that the fix was not in. Career prosecutors and the FBI would take the heat for the decision instead of the AG or the administration.

Of these 2 it seems a lot more likely that #2 is what's going on here, however, Lynch hasn't really recused herself, all she stated was that she'd be going with the recommendations of the federal prosecutor's recommendations who are handling the case. That's not really a recusal, and seems more like blame shifting and / or responsibility shifting.

Is not Lynch the AG?
Is not the AG, the head of the DOJ, responsible for what goes on in her department?
Responsible for the decisions made by all those in her department?

To these questions I'd have to say "Yes", in a government that's accountable, yet she seems to be skirting that responsibility she has that comes with the role.

This would be decidedly an instance of poor leadership, wouldn't you think? Throwing the people in her department under the bus like this? Good leaders tend not to do that.
 

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Of these 2 it seems a lot more likely that #2 is what's going on here, however, Lynch hasn't really recused herself, all she stated was that she'd be going with the recommendations of the federal prosecutor's recommendations who are handling the case. That's not really a recusal, and seems more like blame shifting and / or responsibility shifting.

Is not Lynch the AG?
Is not the AG, the head of the DOJ, responsible for what goes on in her department?
Responsible for the decisions made by all those in her department?

To these questions I'd have to say "Yes", in a government that's accountable, yet she seems to be skirting that responsibility she has that comes with the role.

This would be decidedly an instance of poor leadership, wouldn't you think? Throwing the people in her department under the bus like this? Good leaders tend not to do that.

Nonetheless, that is my take on it. That's why I put recuse in quotation marks. Actually, I think the decision came down from the very top. Obama is the best I have ever seen at playing political games to his and the Democrat's advantage. I think Lynch is way too intelligent to let herself be caught up in this "scandal" (meeting on the plane) unless there was more to it than meets the eye.
 

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Who wants to be the AG that brings down the corrupt and criminal house of Clinton?
Who wants to be the AG that brings down the coronated presidential candidate of the DNC establishment?
Who wants to be the AG that directly changes the outcome of a presidential election?

Um, I'd make that supreme sacrifice.
 

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I'm decidedly undecided about Lynch. From what I've heard she did well in her previous position as AG for NYC. I think she's got sucked into Clinton's wake of corruption, and might not be handling it in the best possible manner.

There. A position, undecided, a reason, her performance at NYC, and where me appears to be at present. A complete thought.​

That sums it up for me as well.

I think she was a good AG in the past. She's probably a decent AG now. I don't know what went on between her and Billy Boy. I think she should have been smart enough to know how badly the optics of what she did sucked.

And I can't believe anyone supports Hillary Clinton with enthusiasm. She's as good as Trump is at suckering the easily suckered.
 

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I do not think Loretta Lynch is incompetent...I do not think she is a crook...I do not think she lies more than other humans.

Not sure what kind of "substance" is needed for that, but if you think she is any of those things...think it.

If she's not incompetent, explain why she allowed Slick to enter her plane and converse with him for 30 minutes? If she's not a crook, then she and Slick talked about their grandchildren and Bill's golf game, right? The subject of the FBI/Justice Department investigation of his wife and the Clinton Foundation never entered the conversation because they're totally above board honest champions of integrity, right?

Articulate your reasoning. Explain yourself and convince us we should take you seriously.:2rofll:
 

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I'm decidedly undecided about Lynch. From what I've heard she did well in her previous position as AG for NYC. I think she's got sucked into Clinton's wake of corruption, and might not be handling it in the best possible manner.

There. A position, undecided, a reason, her performance at NYC, and where me appears to be at present. A complete thought.​

Good for you.

So what? Are you saying, "Do things like I do them...or you are doing them wrong?"
 

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Um, I'd make that supreme sacrifice.

Sure. I would as well.

My view would be that it's far more important that DOJ and the criminal justice system avoid even the merest hint of anything non-proprietary or improper, any single person's career or any group of people's careers be damned. Justice must be served.

When this decision is finally made, I'd expect a lengthy and detailed press conference from Lynch to lay out the whys and what fors in exceeding detail for the public to see in a presentation that is clearly understandable by the non-legal professionals.

I wonder if the electorate will get this level of transparency. I rather doubt it.
 

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Nonetheless, that is my take on it. That's why I put recuse in quotation marks. Actually, I think the decision came down from the very top. Obama is the best I have ever seen at playing political games to his and the Democrat's advantage. I think Lynch is way too intelligent to let herself be caught up in this "scandal" (meeting on the plane) unless there was more to it than meets the eye.

Fair enough. Yes, Obama does play political these insipid political games very well. I suspect that your call on the meeting is correct.
 

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If she's not incompetent, explain why she allowed Slick to enter her plane and converse with him for 30 minutes? If she's not a crook, then she and Slick talked about their grandchildren and Bill's golf game, right? The subject of the FBI/Justice Department investigation of his wife and the Clinton Foundation never entered the conversation because they're totally above board honest champions of integrity, right?

Articulate your reasoning. Explain yourself and convince us we should take you seriously.:2rofll:

Take me seriously...or do not take me seriously. It matters not one whit to me.

I personally do not think she is incompetent.

I personally do not think she is a crook.

Agree with that...or disagree.

I could not care less. Reasonable, intelligent people may agree with that...and reasonable, intelligent people may disagree with it.
 

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Good for you.

So what? Are you saying, "Do things like I do them...or you are doing them wrong?"

Neither really. What I'm saying is that in a discussion forum, such as this one, a bit more 'meat' to the posts, the reasoning behind positions / opinions, leads to further interesting discussion and exploration of other's views, which is my we are all here, spending time and effort, isn't it?
 

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Neither really. What I'm saying is that in a discussion forum, such as this one, a bit more 'meat' to the posts, the reasoning behind positions / opinions, leads to further interesting discussion and exploration of other's views, which is my we are all here, spending time and effort, isn't it?

Actually, I do not know why WE ARE ALL HERE.

I'm kinda surprised that you do...although you seem to be able to divine stuff I cannot, Eo.
 

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Take me seriously...or do not take me seriously. It matters not one whit to me.

I personally do not think she is incompetent.

I personally do not think she is a crook.

Agree with that...or disagree.

I could not care less. Reasonable, intelligent people may agree with that...and reasonable, intelligent people may disagree with it.

Reasonable intelligent people are amused and amazed that anybody believes Hillary Clinton is either competent or honest. The woman is a political nightmare for America.
 
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