Is Jesus Christ Referenced in the Constitution

[Robodoon]

The use of the word “Lord” is quite common in dates. “In the year of our Lord” but is that Jesus or A Lord?

BC, AC, today we have changed that to BCE and CE.

IT show TIME was even based on Jesus Christ, thats why they are changing it today to BCE and CE

Remember the settlers came from England where the word "Lord" is a title. And still is today.

Remember it was Christians who came here for Religious freedom.




What?
Just who are the Elites? Are they part of them, us, theys or those?

"The Anglo-American Establishment" by Carroll Quigley.
Written by Bill Clinton's mentor, Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, this book remained unpublished for 20 years because no major publisher dared print the true story of the secret society that set out to dominate the world and ultimately came to control both England and the United States.

Peacekeeping isn’t serving a foreign government.

LOL
The point is its not serving America, its serving everything else.
Film of world police training, with no love for America. http://www.robodoon.com/nato.htm

I have worn that same hat
besides what the hell do you know about serving?..hmmm nothing...
I guess you served by staying in school or some bs like that?

Good German, I almost served then found out I would be with Women, maybe in in combat, I said no thinks. No PC military for men, and if America is to a secular nation I find no reason to support her anymore...because the reason will have been removed.

 

[Robodoon]

It was nothing more than the formal way for the date to be written at the time. It is no different than the current usage of "AD" in dates.

Perhaps the fact that Jesus was part of the fabric of everything even time back then bothers you.

Are you a Conditioned Rockefellian? Trained to embrace slavery? Taught to hate your freedom and embracy your slavery?

 

[cherokee]

Man you live in a fantasy world.
Maybe if you had joined…But then again maybe not!

PS. Why is it you keep on calling me a German? You think I'm a nazi or something?

Tell you what from now on I’ll call you a Good Little Muslim.

 

[jamesrage]

Yes, they say "OUR" LORD! and they sign it!


Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

Are you crazy?Michael Newdow and the vermin in the ACLU will try to sue to bar any mention of "OUR LORD"in the Constitution in class rooms and or have it removed.

 

[MrFungus420]

Perhaps the fact that Jesus was part of the fabric of everything even time back then bothers you.

It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm very impressed that in spite of the ubiquitousness of religion at that time that our country was founded that a document that set up a secular government was drafted. I'm very impressed that it was recognized that combining religion and government was a bad thing. I'm very impressed that we were guaranteed the freedom of religion even though that is against the 1st Commandment.

Are you a Conditioned Rockefellian? Trained to embrace slavery? Taught to hate your freedom and embracy your slavery?

Slavery? No, I am not a slave to religion. I recognize it for the mythology that it is.

I find it interesting that someone who seems to believe all kinds of conspiracy garbage, and is a slave to it, accuses others who can see past the conspiracy rhetoric, and can do the research that shows it to be garbage, of being slaves.

 

[Comrade Brian]

OH BROTHER,!! What do you think the Christians that came here would call to another Lord!?

So are you saying this is a Christain document or something? Also "our lord" can also refer to feudal lords, which I doubt is the case. Also I doubt all were really Christains.

sure, because it was a foundation of the people....

Religion isn't the foundation of people.

today we just want to throw our heritage way by design, via the Rich who seek our enslavement

What?

and have been humanizing us for 80 years now.

Isn't that supposed to be good? Humanising?

Just pointing out that God and Christ played a part in our claims for Liberty.

Tell me did they strike down armies or toss lightning bolts at the Redcoats?

The DEC shows that the reason for government is to protect our God Given Rights, Give up God, you give up your claim rights as well. and became a supporter of Human rights , ie a Communist or a Socialist.

So by your Godly reasoning, all non-Christains are commies and socialists?

Remember it was Christians who came here for Religious freedom.

Not all were Christains. Though the ones who were Christain were only a small sect of Christain denominations who were persecuted by other Christains.

I think tryreading put an end to this discussion, Robodoon.

 

[tryreading]

OH BROTHER,!! What do you think the Christians that came here would call to another Lord!?


George Washington

Let my heart therefore gracious God be so affected with the glory and majesty of it, that I may not do mine own works but wait on Thee, and discharge those weighty duties Thou required of me: and since Thou art a God of pure eyes, and will be sanctified in all who draw nearer to Thee, who dost not regard the sacrifice of fools, nor hear sinners who tread in Thy courts, pardon I beseech Thee, my sins, remove them from Thy presence, as far as the east is from the west, and accept of me for the merits of Thy son Jesus Christ, that when I come into Thy temple and compass Thine altar, my prayer may come before Thee as incense, and as I desire Thou wouldst hear me calling upon Thee in my prayers, so give me peace to hear the calling on me in Thy word, that it may be wisdom, righteousness, reconciliation and peace to the saving of my soul in the day ofthe Lord Jesus.
Just pointing out that God and Christ played a part in our claims for Liberty.

If you know anything about Washington, you know he was not a Christian, but a Deist. He never mentioned 'Jesus Christ' in any of his writings. So why would he have written your prayer? He didn't, it is a lie.

In 1783, shortly before Washington resigned his commission as commander-in-chief, a financial stringency, accompanied by anarchy and riots, swept the country. The soldiers demanded their pay, which Congress was unable to provide. Something had to be done to alleviate the distress and discontent. Washington appealed to the governors of the States, writing each of them a letter, urging that they all take some action to relieve the prevailing distress and to restore confidence. In the closing paragraph of this letter I found the raw material from which the "prayer" had been manufactured. I quote them here, capitalizing in the "prayer" those words the prayer-makers have interpolated, and in the original, the words they have omitted.


The Alleged Prayer
(added words in capital letters)
ALMIGHTY GOD, WE MAKE OUR EARNEST PRAYER THAT THOU WILT KEEP THESE UNITED STATES in THY holy protection, that THOU wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large, And finally that THOU wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of Whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. GRANT OUR SUPPLICATION, WE BESEECH THEE, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN.
(Engraved on a bronze tablet in St. Paul's Chapel, Broadway and Vesey Streets, New York City.)


Its Source
(omitted words in capital letters)
"I NOW MAKE IT MY EARNEST PRAYER, THAT GOD WOULD HAVE YOU, AND THE STATE OVER WHICH YOU PRESIDE, in HIS holy protection; that HE would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow-citizens of the United States at large, AND PARTICULARLY FOR THEIR BRETHREN WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE FIELD; and finally, that HE would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose examples in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation.

"I HAVE THE HONOR TO BE, WITH MUCH ESTEEM AND RESPECT, SIR, YOUR EXCELLENCY'S MOST OBEDIENT AND MOST HUMBLE SERVANT. -- G. WASHINGTON."
(Found in Ford's 'Writings of Washington,' vol. x, p. 265.)

In making a prayer from this last paragraph of a letter to civil magistrates the prayer promoters have committed sins both of omission and commission:

Instead of "sir," with which Washington begins his letter to the governors, they have written, "Almighty God, we make our earnest prayer, etc." Washington in the original speaks in the first person, singular. He does not speak directly to God, but he makes an earnest prayer, or wish that God will do a certain thing. The prayer makers use the first person plural and speak to God directly. They have omitted "and the state over which you preside," and "for their brethren who have served in the field." Instead of Washington's closing, "I have the honor to be, sir, etc.," they have substituted, "Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

That they should add this last phrase, with which all the prayers in the Episcopal prayer book terminate, was unfortunate when we consider that nowhere in Washington's writings does he mention directly or by name Jesus Christ. When he was a boy of 13, he wrote in a copy book,


Assist me, Muse divine, to sing the morn,
On which the Savior of mankind was born.
(See Sparks's Washington, p. 519.)

The only other case is in this letter to the governors, where he speaks "of the Divine Author of our blessed religion." In Rupert Hughes' 'Washington,' vol. 3, p. 290, is a facsimile of the last page of the letter, proving that it is not in the handwriting of Washington, but in that of one of his secretaries. While there is no doubt that Washington wrote or dictated the original, the words in his own handwriting do not exist. He gave his ideas to his secretaries, who used their own embellishments. A legal definition of forgery reads, "Forgery consists not only in signing a false name to an instrument, but also in the alteration of an instrument that was otherwise genuine, the rule requiring that the alteration should be in a material part."

It must be conceded, that this "prayer" closely approaches the definition of forgery. As evidence of how fictions will circulate, and become more powerful as they go, 'The New York World Almanac,' for 1930, P. 906, says: "This prayer, it is said, was made by Washington at St. Paul's Church, following his inauguration in the old Federal Building on the North side of Wall Street, facing Broad Street." It was probably hoped that those not familiar with the history of the prayer, Which means the majority, would assume this to be an accepted fact.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html

 

[Robodoon]

Man you live in a fantasy world.
Maybe if you had joined…But then again maybe not!

PS. Why is it you keep on calling me a German? You think I'm a nazi or something?

Tell you what from now on I’ll call you a Good Little Muslim.

Most people live in a Fantasy World by design. Our history has been purposely changed by the Rich. Bias against American heritage was purposely injected into our ed systems, and for generations we have been being conditioned in our school systems and by the media.

I sorry about the Good german things, its just a reference to "Just doing my job, without thinking" Following orders doesn't make one a good American, Standing for America makes one a good American.

 

[Robodoon]

Are you crazy?Michael Newdow and the vermin in the ACLU will try to sue to bar any mention of "OUR LORD"in the Constitution in class rooms and or have it removed.

Well point that out to the people, would really put a nail in their attempt to banish God from all aspects of our lives. Not to mention digging up the true history of the USA, would shut them down rather fast, but the ACLU isn't the only ones attacking America today. they have friends all over the place even in high places.

 

[Robodoon]

It doesn't bother me in the least. I'm very impressed that in spite of the ubiquitousness of religion at that time that our country was founded that a document that set up a secular government was drafted. I'm very impressed that it was recognized that combining religion and government was a bad thing. I'm very impressed that we were guaranteed the freedom of religion even though that is against the 1st Commandment.

We Never set up a Secular Government.,,,thats just what Rockefeller teaches the kiddies today. Notice

Declaration of Independence



IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

The DEC was the WHY, the CON was the HOW, the are partner documents.
Notice the reason for Government is to Secure the rights from God for Man...that doesn't sound to "secular" to me, and when we first set up freedom of Religion is was Just for God believers, then over time expained, notice Witch Craft wasn't considered a Religion in that day, it was concider EVIL AND PAGAN, Hethenistic, but just a little while ago it did become a listed religion, this was not in the designs our founders had.

Slavery? No, I am not a slave to religion. I recognize it for the mythology that it is.

No you a Slave to Rockefeller and Friends Conditioning. Who do you think has been pushing the Secular stuff? It started about 80 years go.

I find it interesting that someone who seems to believe all kinds of conspiracy garbage, and is a slave to it, accuses others who can see past the conspiracy rhetoric, and can do the research that shows it to be garbage, of being slaves.

The Rockefeller and friends control most of the Books used in the Schools, Publishing, and Libraries etc. They have been working at it for Decades, remember it as Carnagee that went around creating all the Libraries. You are a slave to the world they created for us. Done before you were born.

 

[cherokee]

Most people live in a Fantasy World by design. Our history has been purposely changed by the Rich. Bias against American heritage was purposely injected into our ed systems, and for generations we have been being conditioned in our school systems and by the media.

I sorry about the Good german things, its just a reference to "Just doing my job, without thinking" Following orders doesn't make one a good American, Standing for America makes one a good American.

We didn’t then and I'm sure they don’t today "Just follow orders" Its not the way it works.

Look when I was serving I was asked by a French LT to provide information about my unit and the radio equipment we used. I told him a flat NO. “If you want that kind of information Sir you must contact my CO”. He tried for some time to press the matter.
When I returned to the barracks I told my LT.
Later I heard our LT reamed him a new a$$.
End of story.

My point is the Marines didn’t want a bunch of mindless robots, never have…..

 

[Robodoon]

So are you saying this is a Christain document or something? Also "our lord" can also refer to feudal lords, which I doubt is the case. Also I doubt all were really Christains.

Most were Christian
Daniel Webster

"Finally, let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers were brought hither by their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate its principles with the elements of their society, and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political, or literary.

Religion isn't the foundation of people.

Jefferson declared that religion is:

"Deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet proved by our experience to be its best support."

Francis Scott Key
February 22, 1812

"The patriot who feels himself in the service of God, who acknowledges Him in all his ways, has the promise of Almighty direction, and will find His Word in his greatest darkness, a lantern to his feet and a lamp unto his paths.' He will therefore seek to establish for his country in the eyes of the world, such a character as shall make her not unworthy of the name of a Christian nation...."

What?

We are being enslaved by the Rich, they took control of the Ed systems of the USA long ago, and have been tainting our world for their goals for decades.

Isn't that supposed to be good? Humanising?

Is Humanism good? No, its not compatiable with freedom. And it lessens the worth of man.

Tell me did they strike down armies or toss lightning bolts at the Redcoats?

No but it was Because of God and Christ that we had the tools to claim self rule, and tell the king and the pope to go pound salt.

So by your Godly reasoning, all non-Christains are commies and socialists?

No, just saying people who move away from God given rights are left with Human rights which are Communistic and Socialist...and have no rights at all. ITs Humanistic version of God Given rights, and its a trick.

Not all were Christains. Though the ones who were Christain were only a small sect of Christain denominations who were persecuted by other Christains.

I think tryreading put an end to this discussion, Robodoon.

Hardly. Most were Christians and it was the Christians that lead the charge to Liberty, while the other ones were trembling about the Crown.
Remember these words?


Patrick Henry
March 23, 1775

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased a the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"[/QUOTE]

By Golly thats a Christian say that!

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

 

[Robodoon]

If you know anything about Washington, you know he was not a Christian, but a Deist. He never mentioned 'Jesus Christ' in any of his writings. So why would he have written your prayer? He didn't, it is a lie.

George Washington

"Bless my family, kindred, friends and country, be our God and guide this day and forever for His sake, who lay down in the grave and arose again for us, Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

:shock:

"The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!"

:shock:

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion.

"The General orders this day to be religiously observed by the forces under his Command, exactly in manner directed by the Continental Congress. It is therefore strictly enjoined on all officers and soldiers to attend Divine service, And it is expected that all those who go to worship do take their arms, ammunition and accoutrements, and are prepared for immediate action, if called upon."

To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to laud the more distinguished Character of Christian."

In 1783, shortly before Washington resigned his commission as commander-in-chief, a financial stringency, accompanied by anarchy and riots, swept the country. The soldiers demanded their pay, which Congress was unable to provide. Something had to be done to alleviate the distress and discontent. Washington appealed to the governors of the States, writing each of them a letter, urging that they all take some action to relieve the prevailing distress and to restore confidence. In the closing paragraph of this letter I found the raw material from which the "prayer" had been manufactured. I quote them here, capitalizing in the "prayer" those words the prayer-makers have interpolated, and in the original, the words they have omitted.


The Alleged Prayer
(added words in capital letters)
ALMIGHTY GOD, WE MAKE OUR EARNEST PRAYER THAT THOU WILT KEEP THESE UNITED STATES in THY holy protection, that THOU wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large, And finally that THOU wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of Whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. GRANT OUR SUPPLICATION, WE BESEECH THEE, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. AMEN.
(Engraved on a bronze tablet in St. Paul's Chapel, Broadway and Vesey Streets, New York City.)


Its Source
(omitted words in capital letters)
"I NOW MAKE IT MY EARNEST PRAYER, THAT GOD WOULD HAVE YOU, AND THE STATE OVER WHICH YOU PRESIDE, in HIS holy protection; that HE would incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; to entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another, for their fellow-citizens of the United States at large, AND PARTICULARLY FOR THEIR BRETHREN WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE FIELD; and finally, that HE would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without an humble imitation of whose examples in these things, we can never hope to be a happy nation.

"I HAVE THE HONOR TO BE, WITH MUCH ESTEEM AND RESPECT, SIR, YOUR EXCELLENCY'S MOST OBEDIENT AND MOST HUMBLE SERVANT. -- G. WASHINGTON."
(Found in Ford's 'Writings of Washington,' vol. x, p. 265.)

In making a prayer from this last paragraph of a letter to civil magistrates the prayer promoters have committed sins both of omission and commission:

Instead of "sir," with which Washington begins his letter to the governors, they have written, "Almighty God, we make our earnest prayer, etc." Washington in the original speaks in the first person, singular. He does not speak directly to God, but he makes an earnest prayer, or wish that God will do a certain thing. The prayer makers use the first person plural and speak to God directly. They have omitted "and the state over which you preside," and "for their brethren who have served in the field." Instead of Washington's closing, "I have the honor to be, sir, etc.," they have substituted, "Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

That they should add this last phrase, with which all the prayers in the Episcopal prayer book terminate, was unfortunate when we consider that nowhere in Washington's writings does he mention directly or by name Jesus Christ. When he was a boy of 13, he wrote in a copy book,


Assist me, Muse divine, to sing the morn,
On which the Savior of mankind was born.
(See Sparks's Washington, p. 519.)

The only other case is in this letter to the governors, where he speaks "of the Divine Author of our blessed religion." In Rupert Hughes' 'Washington,' vol. 3, p. 290, is a facsimile of the last page of the letter, proving that it is not in the handwriting of Washington, but in that of one of his secretaries. While there is no doubt that Washington wrote or dictated the original, the words in his own handwriting do not exist. He gave his ideas to his secretaries, who used their own embellishments. A legal definition of forgery reads, "Forgery consists not only in signing a false name to an instrument, but also in the alteration of an instrument that was otherwise genuine, the rule requiring that the alteration should be in a material part."

It must be conceded, that this "prayer" closely approaches the definition of forgery. As evidence of how fictions will circulate, and become more powerful as they go, 'The New York World Almanac,' for 1930, P. 906, says: "This prayer, it is said, was made by Washington at St. Paul's Church, following his inauguration in the old Federal Building on the North side of Wall Street, facing Broad Street." It was probably hoped that those not familiar with the history of the prayer, Which means the majority, would assume this to be an accepted fact.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/franklin_steiner/presidents.html

You using Rockefellian sources? "infidels". org?

George Washington's personal prayer book, consisting of 24 pages in his field notebook, written in his own handwriting, reveal the depth of his character:

"SUNDAY MORNING....Almighty God, and most merciful Father, who didst command the children of Israel to offer a daily sacrifice to Thee, that thereby they might glorify and praise Thee for Thy protection both night and day, receive O Lord, my morning sacrifice which I now offer up to thee;

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible."

"It is impossible to account for the creation of the universe, without the agency of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to govern the universe without the aid of a Supreme Being. It is impossible to reason without arriving at a Supreme Being."

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens."

Washington was also a Mason for a while, and warned about the evil that was coming in the form of illumanism. If you feel better saying that Washington was a deist fine, but the idea still remains that he looked to God...and he supported the Bible and told his troops to go to Church. The idea I'm trying to fight is the fact that the Rich want God out of our government and all are heritage removed of Him that gave us liberty...so we can be ENSLAVED! The Rich have a new religion for the world, that they wish to hoist on us, and Americans remembering our claim to liberty Under God makes it tough for them to sell their Sick Human Rights over our wonderful God Given rights.

 

[Robodoon]

We didn’t then and I'm sure they don’t today "Just follow orders" Its not the way it works.

Look when I was serving I was asked by a French LT to provide information about my unit and the radio equipment we used. I told him a flat NO. “If you want that kind of information Sir you must contact my CO”. He tried for some time to press the matter.
When I returned to the barracks I told my LT.
Later I heard our LT reamed him a new a$$.
End of story.

My point is the Marines didn’t want a bunch of mindless robots, never have…..

Well glad to hear it. What are your thought about what happened to this man?
http://www.mikenew.com/
Personally I think he did the right thing....

 

[tryreading]

You using Rockefellian sources? "infidels". org?

George Washington's personal prayer book, consisting of 24 pages in his field notebook, written in his own handwriting, reveal the depth of his character:

"SUNDAY MORNING....Almighty God, and most merciful Father, who didst command the children of Israel to offer a daily sacrifice to Thee, that thereby they might glorify and praise Thee for Thy protection both night and day, receive O Lord, my morning sacrifice which I now offer up to thee;







Washington was also a Mason for a while, and warned about the evil that was coming in the form of illumanism. If you feel better saying that Washington was a deist fine, but the idea still remains that he looked to God...and he supported the Bible and told his troops to go to Church. The idea I'm trying to fight is the fact that the Rich want God out of our government and all are heritage removed of Him that gave us liberty...so we can be ENSLAVED! The Rich have a new religion for the world, that they wish to hoist on us, and Americans remembering our claim to liberty Under God makes it tough for them to sell their Sick Human Rights over our wonderful God Given rights.

You are avoiding the issue, which is the issue of the thread you started. George Washington did not write about Jesus, and the example of him doing so above is a lie. His words were bastardized.

Washington believed in a God, but not a Jesus. He was a Deist, like several of the key Founding Fathers. Dishonest Christian people have been trying to recreate him as a Christian for over two hundred years, but he was not one, and no amount of dishonesty will make him one.


As far as your Infidel comment, the word was capitalized by Jefferson, and he included them as equals in his laws, and excluded the endorsement of Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it would read ‘A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
( Thomas Jefferson in his Autobiography <http://www.bibliomania.com/NonFiction/Jefferson/Autobiography/chap00.html>, 1821

You know, there were a couple of people like you involved in the Constitution process, but none of them were the chief contributors to the document. They represented their states, and were involved in debating the contents, but, thankfully, did not craft the document, or it would be filled with taxes for eccliastical support, punishment for 'blasphemy,' and other dangerous, stupid, un-American ideas. If you ever get a chance to read it, you will see that those of us arguing with you on this thread are right about your Jesus claim, and you are wrong.

I am tired of your posts with quotes for which you show no source. Quotes with no link are very often inaccurate. Please provide links if you can.

 

[cherokee]

Well glad to hear it. What are your thought about what happened to this man?
http://www.mikenew.com/
Personally I think he did the right thing....

Personal I feel he took it to far. (from what I've read so far)
Its not like he was asked to swear an oath to the UN.
If you join the military you must fact the fact that you could be deployed at anytime as seen fit by the President be it a War or a member of a Peacekeeping force.
Maybe I looked at it differently as he did?
I served with honor representing my country.

 

[Robodoon]

You are avoiding the issue, which is the issue of the thread you started. George Washington did not write about Jesus, and the example of him doing so above is a lie. His words were bastardized.

The issue I started was "IS Jesus Christ Refereced in the Constitution" try reading.

Washington believed in a God, but not a Jesus. He was a Deist, like several of the key Founding Fathers. Dishonest Christian people have been trying to recreate him as a Christian for over two hundred years, but he was not one, and no amount of dishonesty will make him one.

On Washingtons tomb one reads :
"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
Taken from John 11:25-26 Golly thats sounds like a Christian to me.

Washington was also a member of the Trinitarian church "Father, Son , Holy Ghost" Golly that sounds like a Christian to me

At the time of the Revolution washington belonged to the Anglican Church, which affirmed the Authority of the Bible, Jesus' death for sinners , and His Resurerection from the dead. Golly sounds like a Christian to me.

When asked by a group of indians who wished to school their children in the ways of the Englishmen, Washington told them "
You do well to wish to learn our arts and wasys of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ...Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention"
Golly Sounds like a Christian to me.




As far as your Infidel comment, the word was capitalized by Jefferson, and he included them as equals in his laws, and excluded the endorsement of Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it would read ‘A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
( Thomas Jefferson in his Autobiography <http://www.bibliomania.com/NonFiction/Jefferson/Autobiography/chap00.html>, 1821
Jefferson has his own story, he even when to the dark side and came back.

Jefferson, who was a deists, claimed to be a CHRISTIAN as well. (and yes I know about his bible.) he was just having problems with the religions of men; denominations.

To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others..."

"I consider the doctrines of Jesus as delivered by himself to contain the outlines of the sublimest system of morality that has ever been taught but I hold in the most profound detestation and execration the corruptions of it which have been invented..."

"A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian; that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

You know, there were a couple of people like you involved in the Constitution process, but none of them were the chief contributors to the document.

James Madison
(Architect of the U.S. Constitution & Co-Author of the Federalist Papers)

"Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ."

"Religion [is] the basis and Foundation of Government."

"It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage....Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe."

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

They represented their states, and were involved in debating the contents, but, thankfully, did not craft the document, or it would be filled with taxes for eccliastical support, punishment for 'blasphemy,' and other dangerous, stupid, un-American ideas. If you ever get a chance to read it, you will see that those of us arguing with you on this thread are right about your Jesus claim, and you are wrong.

Really? It was the Religions of men that was the concern of our founders, God wasn't in question nor Christ...except for a few, you have it backwards.

I am tired of your posts with quotes for which you show no source. Quotes with no link are very often inaccurate. Please provide links if you can

From Preacher man www.chuckbaldwinlive.com

Book One Nation Under God.

 

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Personal I feel he took it to far. (from what I've read so far)
Its not like he was asked to swear an oath to the UN.
If you join the military you must fact the fact that you could be deployed at anytime as seen fit by the President be it a War or a member of a Peacekeeping force.
Maybe I looked at it differently as he did?
I served with honor representing my country.

I served with honor representing my country

I know but I hope you understand the UN is the Antithesis of the USA. It was created by our enemies for our enenies and it seeks the destruction of us. Only 2 Congressmen voted against the UN charter, the only two that read it.

It has been sold to us as a hope, when really the whole time it has been about horror, its own masters are the ones who created all the great wars...so they could offer the solution "the UN" to the tired masses.

the UN comes from HELL!

 

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The issue I started was "IS Jesus Christ Refereced in the Constitution" try reading.




On Washingtons tomb one reads :
"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
Taken from John 11:25-26 Golly thats sounds like a Christian to me.

Washington was also a member of the Trinitarian church "Father, Son , Holy Ghost" Golly that sounds like a Christian to me

At the time of the Revolution washington belonged to the Anglican Church, which affirmed the Authority of the Bible, Jesus' death for sinners , and His Resurerection from the dead. Golly sounds like a Christian to me.

When asked by a group of indians who wished to school their children in the ways of the Englishmen, Washington told them "
You do well to wish to learn our arts and wasys of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ...Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention"
Golly Sounds like a Christian to me.




As far as your Infidel comment, the word was capitalized by Jefferson, and he included them as equals in his laws, and excluded the endorsement of Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
"Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting ‘Jesus Christ,’ so that it would read ‘A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."
( Thomas Jefferson in his Autobiography <http://www.bibliomania.com/NonFiction/Jefferson/Autobiography/chap00.html>, 1821
Jefferson has his own story, he even when to the dark side and came back.

Jefferson, who was a deists, claimed to be a CHRISTIAN as well. (and yes I know about his bible.) he was just having problems with the religions of men; denominations.
















James Madison
(Architect of the U.S. Constitution & Co-Author of the Federalist Papers)

















Really? It was the Religions of men that was the concern of our founders, God wasn't in question nor Christ...except for a few, you have it backwards.



From Preacher man www.chuckbaldwinlive.com

Book One Nation Under God.

You are really embellishing in your statements and quotes. This is what is written on Washington's tomb:

The inscription on the Tomb of Washington reads:
"WITHIN THIS ENCLOSURE REST THE REMAINS OF GENL. GEORGE WASHINGTON."

Over the door of the inner tomb is inscribed:
"I AM THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE."
http://www.ragingmain.com/mtvernon.htm
http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/project/faq/mtvernon.html

Do you see the one sentence inscriptions? Why do you insist on posting things that aren't true? And don't forget, Martha Washington was a Christian, so the quote in the inner tomb was for her, not for her husband, who was not a Christian, and did not participate in Communion

Jefferson did not need to claim anything, as he did not have any belief in the divinity of Jesus. You say you know about the 'Jefferson Bible,' so you must know that in it he wrote about the life and times of Jesus, omitting anything supernatural or miraculous. Jefferson believed Jesus was a man, only a man, who could not perform miracles. He adamantly expressed many times that the Bible's version of Jesus was ridiculous.

Again, this is tiresome, but please provide direct links to your information, preferably that don't come from a Christian website or book. I have found many inaccuracies in them. No searches I have done have found the wording of your Washington quotes as you wrote them, except on a couple of Christian sites. The Library of Congress is a good source, if you want accurate quotes.

 

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On Washingtons tomb one reads :
"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
Taken from John 11:25-26 Golly thats sounds like a Christian to me.

He was moved to that tomb 30 years after he died. Do you think he designed that plaque or installed it?