No, they're stating catering to a gay wedding goes against their beliefs, if a gay man walked in to one of the bakeries and ordered a cake that said "Happy Birthday Clarence" there would be zero issue.
I don't agree with these laws, on the other hand, don't you think people have a right to insulate themselves from things that the feel are wrong?
What if an adulterer asked to have a cake made? Assuming that the adulterer made his sin known. Keeping in mind that, on the Biblical sin scale, adultery is far worse than gay sex.
youd have to define insult but in general yes, of course, as long as it doesnt break the law or infringe on others rights. Theres no special rules for my religion in society i have to play by the same rules as everybody else.
You do know that many Churches are splitting apart due to this- And that includes conservative & some would say Liberal Churches as well.
I would like to see some numbers on your point?
Then next time you're down and out try finding a BITTER ATHEIST'S HOMELESS SHELTER.
Ambiguous- well many would fit that, same as large numbers meets the criteriaI'm not sure why I'm held to this ambiguous standard. From Wikipedia:
I'm open to other ways of phrasing 'large numbers of Christians'.
Certainly some person's choices and behaviors bother me, but it's not like I have some imagination that I have a right to have a couple instead of a yard full of screaming kids. I do not have that right regardless of my personal wishes. Do you think somehow you have a right to your wish lists and ideal situations?
266 K - would feed a lot of people. And where does it go........................Nope. Christianity will survive when the pro-gay bullies have been judged immoral and cast into the Lake of Fire.
What I love today is the $266K raised so far for the Memories Pizza place.
1.)Well, lets look at this from another angle. Let's use an example from an earlier post.
2.) Let's suppose that I felt so strongly about adultery that I wanted to insulate myself and my family from the influence of people that engage in the practice.
3.) How is it exactly infringing on someone's rights if I refused to serve such people in my business?
I wonder if they would serve a Petafile Priest.
Yeah right the reporter happened to venture to this small town pizza place that's not even in the phone book and doesn't even cater weddings to ask that
It's called being in cahoots
My personal feelings is that there is a stronger case to be made against such discrimination based on the notion that it violates the religious principles of tolerance and mercy when people are eager to condemn people in this way. If you really analyze things strictly no one perfectly follows religious principles. As such we all are full of sinful tendencies and therefore we need to practice tolerance, mercy and try to show love to one another.
As far as rights go, it seems to me like you may be discriminating against a person by denying them service at your place of business because you think they have some fault with respect to religious principles, but on the other hand you are violating a persons rights to practice their religion as they see fit if you make them serve such a person, no matter how misguided their understanding of religion might be.
Just saying.
1.) ok, im game for any scenerios
2.) that alone isnt illegal discrimaintion or infringing on rights . . it depends on your actions though
3.) well in this case it probably would not . . "adulterers" dont fit protected classes . . . . you "MIGHT" be ok
gender, race, religion, sex and in some areas sexual orientation does fit
and if you illegally discriminate based on those you are in fact infringing on rights, breaking the law and by definition are a bigot
You haven't even researched it have you? You just drink your Kool Aid and spit out another bs lie.
RFRA: How A Local TV Station Ruined A Family Business | The Daily Caller
Alyssa Marino is a reporter with ABC 57 News in South Bend, Indiana. With her state in the center of a hurricane over religious freedom, Marino must’ve thought she’d had a coup – a devout Christian business owner willing to speak on camera about their religious beliefs and how it impacts the operations of that business.
So how did Marino find Memories Pizza? Brian Dorman, the ABC 57 anchor, opened the broadcast by saying, “We went into small towns tonight for reaction to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. We found one business just 20 miles away from a welcoming South Bend with a much different view.” (Emphasis added.)
ABC 57 instigated the interview, not the pizza restaurant.
So enjoy your Kool Aid. LOL!
Do you have something positive to add?
you confused me now1.)Well J like I said, I don't agree with those laws and I think they are a big mistake. But that said, as a black person, what I find troubling is that I can find no justification for my position in terms of legal rights outside of some subjective value judgements that are made by whomever is in power at a particular point in history. I suppose what I am searching for is something stronger than that, but I have yet to find it.
Just saying.
as you word it people factually do NOT have that right . . .its not a blanket right . . . and it certainly ends when it infringes on others . . .
we already restrict some religious things like cannibalism, pedophilia etc . . . its nothing new and people have made claims of religious backing to discriminate before. Hell a VERY easy case could be made that women are seen as lessers in many religions but they still have rights and in the public realm outside of church/personal relationships they are equals in legality
you confused me now
you dont agree with what laws and what isnt good enough? the 14th amendment, civil rights, equal rights and anti-discrimination laws?
Yeah right the reporter happened to venture to this small town pizza place that's not even in the phone book and doesn't even cater weddings to ask that
It's called being in cahoots
Funny story. When I was down on my luck, and without a friend, a Christian helped me. She gave me my first real job and served as moral support until she passed away. While you, who claim to be a Christian, would punch down on people with differences or disadvantages, a true Christian would listen to the positive scripture and lift that person up.
Oh, and that Christian who helped me was gay.
1.)I hear what you are saying J, but intellectually, those things rest on subjective value judgement.
2.) For example what I cannibalism was accepted in society? What if someone's religious beliefs led them to not want to serve cannibals under those circumstances?
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