I did say that the Catholic Church still does not marry adulterers.
But all of them marry fornicators.
Except you're telling the gay couple to not even be a couple, which is nothing compared to adultery
i take this as a sign since we may do what we want that you will stop crawling into S&S to condemn everyone
Well it's not as of yet. It took christianity 1700 years to reach that point, so maybe islam will by the year 2400
And yeah it does hurt christianity, for the same reason you mention - recruitment is down. Young people have left the church in droves, in large part (though often not the only reason) because of homophobia
Sorry, chromium, I don't buy into your tacky rants.
If people wind up in Hell it will be on them and nobody else.
It could be argued the exact opposite - that church participation is declining because churches are dropping their standards. If a Christian Church won't stick to Christian doctrine, what's the point?
As for church participation and membership, it is the mainstream churches that have very soft, nice social sermons avoiding topics of sin that are declining. The churches that are booming are the fundamentalist and moralistic independent denominations. Because they tend to be independent counting their numbers is all but impossible as there is no federal registry of church participants. However those are the churches that thousands attend and tens to hundreds of thousands religiously watch on TV and contribute to.
Why are ALL rants on the forum against religions in relation to SSM ONLY against Christians and NEVER against Muslims?
Cheering a deal with Muslim theocratic Iran boasting of banning all homosexuals - while at the same time spitting on Catholics and Baptists? This is how detached from reality most Americans have become. They are just doing what American media does regardless of how hypocritical.
Biblical doctrine does not prohibit a gay couple being a couple. Nor do many Christian denominations. The only prohibition they have is against homosexual sex. The latest position of most anti-SSM Christian denominations is that being gay isn't sinful, but homosexual sex is. It is, specifically, the sexual act itself that is the sin.
i doubt it since it's participation among the young that's hemorrhaging. The young simply have different values than the church and their elders and it's only going to get worse (from religion's pov). Look at scandinavia to see what's in store for the church in 20 years. My swedish friend says the only churches left basically are abandoned
You are mistaken. I do not at all approve of having Saudi as our 'ally,' for how they treat women, gays, and yes, religious minorities. But i have a lot more influence over the oppression sought by christians in this country than i do saudi arabia or iran
You aren't claiming the churches in Sweden are more anti-gay than in the USA are you - and THAT is why churches are basically abandoned? Christianity in Europe mostly died away LONG before gay rights came along.
If pro-gay marriage denominations were growing over those that aren't, you'd have a point.
Why are ALL rants on the forum against religions in relation to SSM ONLY against Christians and NEVER against Muslims?
Cheering a deal with Muslim theocratic Iran boasting of banning all homosexuals - while at the same time spitting on Catholics and Baptists? This is how detached from reality most Americans have become. They are just doing what American media does regardless of how hypocritical.
Because most threads aren't polls.Edit: Why aren't polls auto-selected on this forum so that people don't accidentally post threads without polls?
Many Christians, certainly on the conservative side, are linking the survival of Christianity to their ability to discriminate against gays. They need to discriminate against gays in order to be true Christians.
The only person YOU can condemn to hell is yourself. You don't actually read the Bible much, do you?:roll:
joko104: Biblical doctrine does not prohibit a gay couple being a couple. Nor do many Christian denominations. The only prohibition they have is against homosexual sex. The latest position of most anti-SSM Christian denominations is that being gay isn't sinful, but homosexual sex is. It is, specifically, the sexual act itself that is the sin.
No. There is a distinct difference between serving sinners (which we all do) and serving sin. It's not the food (I would equally not wish to serve as a wedding photographer, or as a wedding planner), it's the event (the activity, as we called it at the beginning, though for precision of language we have chosen to more narrowly define it). It's the meaning, the purpose.
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
Yes? An adulterer has their spouse at least to satisfy themselves, or they can divorce and remarry, like one of my uncles has done 3x. The options for homosexuals is nothing by comparison and since like 98-99% of them are not lifelong celibate, this a pretty worthless distinction you're making. A gay couple is not going to be celibate, unless they're in the nursing home
Laws are / can be shaky as we have seen them overturned, additions made to, exclusions and on and on.
yes they can, I agree 100% and im not denying that.
I was asking what the solution is.
In this cases there are rights laws and the constitution all supporting something. And it was claimed thats way to shakey and mudane which is just s a very silly claim so i want to know what is a better way.
It Laws, rights and the constitution is not good enough, what then?
Nothing when it comes down to it.
But if we really want to clean things up, do what the Romans did - Nominate -now it would be elect a Dictator.
Got to get the right one though.
Roman dictator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LO no there will never be a dictator in this country and FYI that doesnt make things more solid it makes them even more shakey
Ahh, having some fun
Best you can get are good laws and a Govt that functions.
Presently, and for decades your country has for the most part been quite dysfunctional at the Federal level.
Open minded and or reasonable discussion is a rarity.
Govt no longer serves the people it serves special interests.
It is Us V Them mentality.
...actually, divorce and re-marry is adultery.
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