Is it time to profile on airline flights?

RightinNYC said:

"But hardships are part of war, and war is an aggregation of hardships. All citizens alike, both in and out of uniform, feel the impact of war in greater or lesser measure. Citizenship has its responsibilities as well as its privileges, and in time of war the burden is always heavier . . . But when under conditions of modern warfare our shores are threatened by hostile forces, the power to protect must be commensurate with the threatened danger."

Is that what you're saying?

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I am saying whatever it takes.............

Ikari said:

It's also not the government's plane.

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However it is the government's airways whether you like it or not because the government is in charge of securing those airways.

Navy Pride said:

Well we barely escaped another terrorist attack on a airline flight on Christmas day due the stupidity of the terrorist who tried to light off the device in his seat rather do it in the privacy of the bathroom.. Every time we ask this question in a poll the left is up in arms and the question is usually voted down, so again I ask the question....

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The government already has the power to wiretap phone lines without a warrant, hold prisoners without an attorney, and torture. Do we really need to take a new low?

Ikari said:

First off, probably not ****ing with their **** and pissing entire groups of people off for decades on end may be a good spot.

Occupational, aggressive, offensive war would have to go out the window too. Once pretty much everyone has had a friend or family member killed by the United States military, you're going to find yourself in a bad situation.

The major recruitment tool is propaganda based on the overall anti-American/anti-West sentiment in the ME brought on by decades of intervention by the West. These attitudes must be addressed and changed, and can primarily be done so through humanitarian outreach.

Trade, diplomacy, joint military/police actions, humanitarian outreach; these things would go well further in combating terrorism than our current method which is to piss more people off even more and pretend that doesn't exacerbate the problem.

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Pissing more people off goes both ways. They piss me off constantly.

Dirty Harry said:

I think you have that backwards. For every terrorist bombing there are a hundred Abortion clinic attacks.

National Abortion Federation: Extreme Clinic Violence
How many terrorist bombings have occurred here?]

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My left wing friend there has been one abortion bombing in the last 10 years.......there are terrorist attacks every month.......

Ikari said:

No, the question was about in general those being convicted of crimes being able to once again exercise the full of their rights. As for airlines, it should be up to the company.

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Does the airline have the right to infringe on their rights?

Do you think it would be a good idea to allow passengers to carry weapons?

disneydude said:

Somehow I don't think profiling an entire race and locking people in internment camps should be classified as "silly little games".

What you completely and continually fail to understand Navy is that when you sacrifice our freedoms and our lifestyle for a little false sense of security, then you have given the terrorists their victory.

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I guess I would rater sacrifice a little freedom then be dead..........

Dirty Harry said:

How do you recognise that group?

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Slap them in the face with a pork chop. If they go allahu akbar on you then you know they are a muslim, :mrgreen:

kansaswhig said:

Navy, you have got to be kidding me!

I called you out on this before and now you've done it again!

OK, Folks. Tonight's topic on The O'Reilly Factor: Should we profile at the airports? Guest speaking on the topic? None other than Ann Coulter! God, Navy, at least have some originality and don't post threads AS you are watching Fox! It's so predictable that I can't even laugh about it!

To answer the question, I don't ever fly so I don't really care...but it appears the problem in the case of "Christmas Bomber" is that his OWN father turned him in to the American Embassy in Nigeria (or wherever he's from) for being a radical and no one did anything on our end. Imagine that...someone that works for the government messed up.

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Idon't even know who you are except some newbie in DP.....

Dirty Harry said:

Does the airline have the right to infringe on their rights?

Do you think it would be a good idea to allow passengers to carry weapons?

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It's the companies plane. Their property. Well it should be, except the government covers security (which prevents it from acting...or should prevent it from acting in certain ways) and there were subsidizes and such from the tax payer. But in general, a private property owner can prohibit the carrying of guns on their property.

I don't have a problem with people having guns on planes. I don't think it would make things any more or less "safe".

Navy Pride said:

My left wing friend there has been one abortion bombing in the last 10 years.......there are terrorist attacks every month.......

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In this country? How many terror attacks have there been in this country in the last ten years. How many attacks on clinics?
Left wing friend? Just because I am not a moron doesn't make me left wing.

You are an embarrassment to every conservative out there. You are so afraid you will even give up your liberty. So sad.

disneydude said:

It has EVERYTHING to do with being cowards. "Those who are willing to sacrifice their liberty for a false sense of security deserve neither".

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I would never call a veteran who served his country a coward, especially by someone who has never served and has hidden when asked to.........

Zyphlin said:

Nope, its not that effective and the consequences far outweight the benefits.

But hey, I'm glad Navy is in favor of expanding government intrusion into our lives, expanding government power, expanding government size.

Hey Navy, I guess I can start calling you my Left Wing Friend now with you being such a good socialist, wanting the government to have more control over our lives, right?

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And if we had a big attack people like you would be the first to say we did not do enough to protect ourselves........Its really a no win situation with people who lean left...........

Navy Pride said:

I would never call a veteran who served his country a coward, especially by someone who has never served and has hidden when asked to.........

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Kerry. ....

Dirty Harry said:

It is a thousand times more likely that an American citizen will be killed by another American than by an Islamic extremist. Why are some here so afraid?

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How does that ratio affect 9/11/01?

Navy Pride said:

And if we had a big attack people like you would be the first to say we did not do enough to protect ourselves

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Oh, we're making baseless assumptions on absolutely nothing factual. Okay.

And if we had a big attack people like you would be the first to go in the street celebrating it and going "WHOOPIE, This showed that damn muslim nigger Hussien Obama failed, WOOO".

See, I can make baseless accusations based on no facts as well.

No, if this attack had worked I would've said we needed to pay more attention to people on terrorist watch lists, something I've advocated for some time. It appears this guy was on a list but wasn't paid much attention despite it, THAT'S a problem. Him being a muslim and not being paid more attention to becuase of that isn't.

Want to know when and why I will say we didn't do enough? It'll be when we actually haven't done enough at a reasonable level. If this guy was stopped and searched due to being on a list and just happened to still gotten things through then no, I would've said either the guy doing the search possibly didn't perform it up to the standard needing or this was one of those fluke times where it made its way through our defenses.

........Its really a no win situation with people who lean left...........

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Yes, it really is a no win situation when people who lean left want big big big big big government.

You big government lover you.

Dirty Harry said:

I am sorry you are so afraid of terrorists. I am not. From the fear I see in this thread it looks the the terrorists won.

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Again you and DD make this stupid statement......we are not afraid of them, we just want them dealt with and that is not happening now..........

Navy Pride said:

I would never call a veteran who served his country a coward, especially by someone who has never served and has hidden when asked to.........

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Oh please, Navy.....you are one of the first here to degrade any person's military service that happens to disagree with you. Save your "Feigned" respect for the military for your swift boat buddies.

Navy Pride said:

And if we had a big attack people like you would be the first to say we did not do enough to protect ourselves........Its really a no win situation with people who lean left...........

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We did have a big attack and it's the conservatives like yourself calling for a lessening of individual liberties and an increase of government securities.

Navy Pride said:

Again you and DD make this stupid statement......we are not afraid of them, we just want them dealt with and that is not happening now..........

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Navy....you are willing to hand over our way of life to the terrorists because you are afraid of them. That is a slap in the face to the brave men and women that have fought for and who have given their lives for the freedom that enjoy....yet take for granted.

Dirty Harry said:

In this country? How many terror attacks have there been in this country in the last ten years. How many attacks on clinics?
Left wing friend? Just because I am not a moron doesn't make me left wing.

You are an embarrassment to every conservative out there. You are so afraid you will even give up your liberty. So sad.

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Well counting the Fort Hood Massacure there have been 2 in this country this month my left wing friend.......... you do the math.............

Personally I don't want any attacks on us........

Navy Pride said:

Again you and DD make this stupid statement......we are not afraid of them, we just want them dealt with and that is not happening now..........

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Your responses show you that you are indeed afraid, very afraid. Throwing out the Constitution to deal with them proves it.

Dirty Harry said:

I asked you a question about airline security.

Should passengers be allowed to carry guns on airlines?

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Don't be stupid............no one is suggesting that.....

Navy Pride said:

How does that ratio affect 9/11/01?

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There have been 131,913 people murdered since 2001 in this country.

Lets be nice and say that 31,913 of them were killed by NON-citizens, leaving us with 100,000 over those 9 years.

That's an average of 11,111 people killed by fellow citizens each year.

2,740 Americans died in 9/11. That comes out to an average of 304 people per year. That's a little less than 3% of the total amount of people each year killed due to murders.

So, by your reasoning, we should really be making the government even BIGGER. We should have police profile everyone, because everyone of every walk of life commits murders. That'd be difficult though so we should continue down the big government path you like so much, maybe throw cameras everywhere. After all, we had 29,173 more people die from murders in this country since 2001 since we have from terrorist attacks, so this huge government and trampling of the constitution is well within reason. Actually, we should all just submit DNA to a database and get a chip implanted that would enable tracking by the government at any times. I mean, anything in the name of protecting us from those ten thousand plus murders a year. Its completely underestandable for leftists and left leaning people to want such big government, nanny state, efforts that would result in so much government spending. Obviously you must be in favor of that Navy, seeing as how this HAS to be about the danger it poses and not just a hatred and bigotry you may have for people from a land where "hussien" isn't that uncommon of a name.....right?

Navy Pride said:

Don't be stupid............no one is suggesting that.....

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Actually he is.
Why shouldn't passengers be allowed to bear arms on airplanes?