Is it time for gay pride parades to take it down a notch in general?

[AGENT J]

1.)He basically said that he wants to host some sort of explicitly sexual event on the side, in addition to the usual pride parades, so that people don't feel the need to be overly extreme in what they do at the actual pride parades.

I guess it could be done, but I wouldn't see much of a point in it.

There's no real guarantee that it would tone down the proceedings at normal pride parades, and the simple idea of such a celebration might cause backlash if it were to be publically advertised.

There is a reason, after all, why most swingers clubs tend to private affairs.

which is nothing like you said, just ppinting that out and why you needed to reread it
he said tone down any extreme parade and go more family oriented and if theres a need for other stuff take it somewhere else.

there was no mention of " traditional pride parades be replaced with giant gay orgy parades? "

 

[tererun]

Why wouldn't you assume that things like that were happening behind the scenes already?

"Swingers" clubs and the like aren't terribly uncommon amongst heterosexuals. I'm sure that the gay community has its equivalent elements.

For that matter, why on Earth would you want such a thing to be explicitly advertised to heterosexuals? What purpose could that possibly serve?

People can have orgies devoted to whatever nasty kinky business they might happen to be into. There's nothing stopping them. Why should the rest of us have hear about it?

I doubt that any heterosexual in their right mind would willingly attend anyway.

it is the last line and the judgment contained within I am speaking of that is problematic. It is also why their presence needs to be visible to some extent and even normalized.

 

[Gathomas88]

which is nothing like you said, just ppinting that out and why you needed to reread it
he said tone down any extreme parade and go more family oriented and if theres a need for other stuff take it somewhere else.

there was no mention of " traditional pride parades be replaced with giant gay orgy parades? "

Which is why I stopped talking about it after he clarified his position.

What he was basically suggesting is moving the more extreme elements of existing pride parades to their own, separate locations where they can be followed through to their logical conclusions.

That is where the confusion in my first post arose.

 

[Gathomas88]

it is the last line and the judgment contained within I am speaking of that is problematic. It is also why their presence needs to be visible to some extent and even normalized.

Why would you assume that a heterosexual would want to attend what is, in essence, a giant homosexual orgy even if they were accepting of homosexuality?

I wouldn't consider lack of desire for attendance or awareness of such an event to be indicative of any degree of "bigotry" per se.

I personally wouldn't even want to attend a straight orgy. If my neighbors were to choose to host one, I would hope that they had the good sense to keep it to themselves.

I simply don't feel the need to be notified of other people's sexual habits.

 

[Thrilla]

Hopefully someday you will see it because you miss so much when you do not.

yeah..umm.. that was utterly meaningless.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Which is why I stopped talking about it after he clarified his position.

2.)What he was basically suggesting is moving the more extreme elements of existing pride parades to their own, separate locations where they can be followed through to their logical conclusions.

3.)That is where the confusion in my first post arose.

1,) not sure what him expand on his post has to do with you totally characterizing it
2.) yes i got that from the OP
3.) gotcha, so you saw you mistake, thats good. just making sure you did.

 

[Bodi]

Should the gay community be moving towards a more family oriented pride now that they are breaking through?

Absolutely.

Eventually I would love to see no Gay Pride Parade.

 

[Logicman]

Due to my Biblical beliefs, I don't think gay sexual relationships / gay marriages should be promoted or legitimized.

Gay pride = two sins.

 

[AGENT J]

Absolutely.

Eventually I would love to see no Gay Pride Parade.

yes that would be great if we got to a point where they werent even felt to be necessary by people.

 

[Paschendale]

Frankly, not everyone is comfortable with those either.

Well, too bad. Some parts of the culture are for you, and some parts are for other people. You'll just have to learn to share like an adult.

That's also, by the by, why other people should share with you.

 

[Gathomas88]

Well, too bad. Some parts of the culture are for you, and some parts are for other people. You'll just have to learn to share like an adult.

That's also, by the by, why other people should share with you.

Do I look like I'm about to ride an atomic bomb down on South Beach "Dr. Strangelove" style? :roll:

People can do whatever they want so long as it is not illegal. That doesn't mean that anyone has to respect them for it.

I was simply pointing out the fact that the general impression our society tends to have of the kinds of people who "enthusiastically" embrace the philosophy of Mardi Gras and Spring Break is that they are little more than spoiled children behaving like irresponsible drunken fools.

It isn't entirely honest to suggest that they are "accepted" in a way that gay pride isn't.

 

[CriticalThought]

no such thing as a Spring Break parade.... there's no such ting as a hetero pride parade either ( in the US anyways.)
( they would be stupid if they existed)


and yes, gay pride parades need to be toned down.... they're stupid to begin with

Apparently you have never been to Mardis Gras or Fort Lauderdale. Ever heard of a wet T-shirt contest? Interesting thing the heteros came up with that you might wanna look into.

 

[tererun]

Why would you assume that a heterosexual would want to attend what is, in essence, a giant homosexual orgy even if they were accepting of homosexuality?

Because I have seen them there having fun? Did i not say that I went to these things, and heteros are allowed. It is just that there is a lot of gay adult things going on there and you have to be a bit more open to the reality that you had better be at least neutral to it happening to you. I am not saying people have a right to rape you, but you do consent to a certain degree of touching.

I wouldn't consider lack of desire for attendance or awareness of such an event to be indicative of any degree of "bigotry" per se.

Lack of desire for advertisements and the lack of permission given for events is part of prejudice. We ban alcohol for minors That does not stop us from having ads for the stuff all over the place. The ads to not need to be pornographic, but they should be a lot more present, and people should not be stigmatized for enjoying or feel that their enjoyment would threaten their job.

I personally wouldn't even want to attend a straight orgy. If my neighbors were to choose to host one, I would hope that they had the good sense to keep it to themselves.

I simply don't feel the need to be notified of other people's sexual habits.

That is the thing, for people to know about things they need to be advertised. A certain amount of people will seek it out anyway without advertising, but I think there shouldf be open advertising and an attitude that this is normal and Ok and some people like it.

I am beginning to realize I have completely screwed up on the actual topic of this discussion as it really should be more directed at entire society. I think I will probably rewrite a new topic and allow this one to die since I seem to be hitting something that just is not the actual problem.

 

[CriticalThought]

they are not needed... they have never been needed.

I see them the same way I would a white pride parade.. or a black pride parade.. or a southpaw pride parade... or a blue-eyedpride parade.
none of the gay folks taking pride actually made the choice to be gay.. they did nothing to be prideful about..... and then they dress in assless chaps and dance around with dildos.

it's all so very stupid.

Then don't go. If people want to have fun by acting silly in public then that is their choice. And I think you misunderstand the concept of pride. It is about being proud of who you are and embracing your differences. People who go to church are doing the exact same thing whether they realize it or not. They are engaging in silly rituals and gathering together under a common identity as a group.

 

[JC Callender]

First off, I love the GLBT community and I want gays to be out in public. Yes, I want an adult alternative for people to participate in. So hear me out before freaking out. In the past the gay pride parade needed to be in your face. It needed a brash we are here and queer and it is not going away attitude. Also, it was one of very few outlets which means all types were there and there was no good alternative for an adult thing. I guess this also would overlap on adult entertainment in straight society also. Some people want there to be more adult venues and it seems there is becoming a demand for kids free locations that are not just clubs or bars. That probably plays in here also.

Is it time to maybe make pride parades a bit more PG while expanding new venues for the adult exploration of adult gay life? In this aspect gays seem to be making the second half of that happen a lot more than straight people. I know of a few Adult gay celebrations on private lands and where kids are restricted that go on. There are a number of adult conventions that I know about many of which are heavily gay and alternate sexuality. This seems to be a great way to do things so you can tone down the pride events while promoting the adult events at something that draws a larger crowd. I have noticed a few of my gay friends who have now started to shy away from adult celebrations because they have children. There should be pride events that children of both gay and straight people can go to without getting a dick in their kid's face. perhaps the public nudity displays should not be holding up traffic for everyone. I don't want to see neked women or men lovin it up in the middle of the street while I have to get to work. I can understand that view.

Should the gay community be moving towards a more family oriented pride now that they are breaking through?

Why now, why wouldn't you want a more family oriented parade before? Google "gay pride parade" under images and please tell me what good purpose that serves.

 

[Thrilla]

Apparently you have never been to Mardis Gras or Fort Lauderdale. Ever heard of a wet T-shirt contest? Interesting thing the heteros came up with that you might wanna look into.

yeah, I might want to look into that stuff...wet t-shirts you say?... sounds scandalous!
i'm 60, a former swinger, a hard partying hedonist , and I love for people to get freaky if they want to. ( provide they do it at appropriate times/places)

don't talk to me like i'm a prude or some wet behind the ears young chump.


there are no hetero pride events.. that's just a fact.
you are talking about simple adult fun.. highly sexualized fun, in some cases.

.......which is not the same as "hetero pride".

ever see a "I'm hetero and proud!" sign at Mardi Gras ( or anywhere else)?... yeah, me neither.
it would be stupid to have such a sign


i've got hazel eyes and I'm proud!....I'm attracted to the same sex and proud!...i'm attracted to the opposite sex and i'm proud!..I've got weird mole on my upper lip and i'm proud!
it's all so very stupid.

 

[sangha]

there are no hetero pride events.. that's just a fact.

Straight pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CriticalThought]

yeah, I might want to look into that stuff...wet t-shirts you say?... sounds scandalous!
i'm 60, a former swinger, a hard partying hedonist , and I love for people to get freaky if they want to. ( provide they do it at appropriate times/places)

don't talk to me like i'm a prude or some wet behind the ears young chump.


there are no hetero pride events.. that's just a fact.
you are talking about simple adult fun.. highly sexualized fun, in some cases.

.......which is not the same as "hetero pride".

ever see a "I'm hetero and proud!" sign at Mardi Gras ( or anywhere else)?... yeah, me neither.
it would be stupid to have such a sign


i've got hazel eyes and I'm proud!....I'm attracted to the same sex and proud!...i'm attracted to the opposite sex and i'm proud!..I've got weird mole on my upper lip and i'm proud!
it's all so very stupid.

Actually, there is an official hetero pride flag and pride month. Try using google, you might learn some interesting things.

 

[chromium]

well not all gay pride parades are extreme, the ones i went to i saw nothign "crazy" and ive seen more things that push the limits at public Halloween parties, festivals.

Most certainly more at madi gras, spring break etc etc

Yes there are extreme (IMO) gay parades but it is what it is. If its once a year or a celebration then so be it, not any different than many other celebrations.

Some of these parades do push the stereotype of the fallacy "gay agenda" and "gay lifestyles" so you could argue its counter productive but at the same time only an idiot would base a parade on everybody there or int eh group etc so i see no reason to cater to them.

I dont know tough call.

Also realize just like we have trolls here, theres trolls at those parades, somebody just looking to upset others because they can, they can get away with it, maybe even somebody who has been assaulted, fired, disowend and now they are lashing out. Not saying thats a perfect excuse but one can easily see motivation.

When discriminated against or suppressed sometimes people lash out simply because they can.

Simple example, don King, when asked about his hair he said he wears it like that cause he can, its simple and it pisses people off.
women burning bras etc etc

the number of extreme ones will die down eventually as equal rights wins through out the nation.

Second all of this but also, if you think the parades aren't appropriate, just don't go or don't bring your kids. You wouldn't bring them to mardi gras. I think some of the original purpose of letting down inhibitions is still there, but like the OP says there are other options and it wouldn't be so difficult to take some of that behavior off the streets. Going forward, I'm not sure the point of them in say NYC anymore now that they have equal rights. If it's not a protest, what are they celebrating? I think these may just fizzle out on their own as people realize they're accepted already.

 

[Gathomas88]

Because I have seen them there having fun? Did i not say that I went to these things, and heteros are allowed. It is just that there is a lot of gay adult things going on there and you have to be a bit more open to the reality that you had better be at least neutral to it happening to you. I am not saying people have a right to rape you, but you do consent to a certain degree of touching.

You can do that if you want. However, I can guarantee you that it isn't the kind of thing that most heterosexual people would ever go for.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that either.

Why enter an environment centered around sex and let people touch you in a sexual way if you are not interested in actually "doing the deed?" You're simply asking for trouble.

I've been to gay clubs on a couple of occasions, but I always went with women so that no one might get the wrong impression.

Lack of desire for advertisements and the lack of permission given for events is part of prejudice. We ban alcohol for minors That does not stop us from having ads for the stuff all over the place. The ads to not need to be pornographic, but they should be a lot more present, and people should not be stigmatized for enjoying or feel that their enjoyment would threaten their job.

People are going to think what they're going to think. You can't do anything to stop that.

The simple fact of the matter here, is that most people are going to find the idea of a giant, publically advertised orgy of any kind (let alone the homosexual variety) disturbing.

As such, it will create a certain amount of backlash.

Frankly, even in places where things like prostitution are legal and given their own areas in which to operate, they still tend to be something not often spoken of in polite company.

 

[chromium]

Due to my Biblical beliefs, I don't think gay sexual relationships / gay marriages should be promoted or legitimized.

Gay pride = two sins.

This is exactly why pride exists in the first place. You're only encouraging them.

 

[roguenuke]

They already have from what I have seen and the stories I have gotten from others about how "they used to be". I watched the 2013 Long Beach Gay Pride Parade just last week on the net. There was very little there that I haven't seen in other parades. They had some buses with people (fully clothed) in them, they had the Mayor (or some politician) in a convertible, they had at least 5 church groups, a couple of marching bands, some cheerleading squads, some school groups (the gay/straight alliance ones), some bikers, clowns, some floats (which is where I saw the least clothed people, and it was speedos and bikinis, considering they were on a beach and the most raunchy one was done by a fraternity), a library group, a bunch of people marching, some crossdressers (all clothed, just crossdressers), some gay/lesbian groups, the city police, and some others. It wasn't anything I wouldn't take my children to see.

 

[Thrilla]

Then don't go. If people want to have fun by acting silly in public then that is their choice. And I think you misunderstand the concept of pride. It is about being proud of who you are and embracing your differences. People who go to church are doing the exact same thing whether they realize it or not. They are engaging in silly rituals and gathering together under a common identity as a group.

I surely won't go.... I will always have my adult fun in appropriate venues,at appropriate times...I actually have a respect for my fellow citizens and don't intend on throwing my sexuality, literally and figuratively, out in public to "celebrate who we are" or some nonsense like that.

ya see, i'm big into biker rallies... and there is a lot of adult fun and mischief at biker rallies...... but then again, during the day it's family fun time... we aren't throwing tits and ass into lil kids faces in public... it's a controlled environment that tries to respect everyone.
after the sun drops and the families leave, the adult fun begins.

I won't go to a hetero pride parade either.. if that makes you feel better... it would be equally stupid.


my first foray into gay pride was in Vegas.. near sunset park.
i was at the light as the parade went on by.... dudes with their junk hangin' out of their leather chaps.. at 4 PM.. dancing around with dildos in their hands.
..did i mention i had my my kids and my neighbors kids in the car?... yeah..fortunately they had a police escort ...I had to act quick and get the kids attention on the cop's horses. ( cops didn't do **** about the dudes dicks hanging out, though)
had to cancel the park trip because those gay people can't celebrate.... in public..... without being completely and utterly disrespectful to everyone else around them.

 

[Thrilla]

Actually, there is an official hetero pride flag and pride month. Try using google, you might learn some interesting things.

dude, seriously... stop trying to draw equivalency... it fails.

and really, there's no need to act like a snarky asshole ... we can just talk here... like adults( provided you are an adult)

 

[Thrilla]

Straight pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

oy vey...another one who thinks the two are equal.


call me when the next straight pride parade occurs in the US.... by "the next" I actually mean "the first"

... and if that day ever comes, i'll sit here and call it stupid too.