Is it ok to lie? (1 Viewer)

[vibeeleven]

Is it ever ok to lie? Is telling a a lie ever the right thing to do, considering certain situations and circumstances?

 

[shuamort]

Let me throw out Plato's Noble Lie on to the fire here:

The noble lie is a religious myth told to the people to motivate them to do what is good and right. Without this religious belief they would not behave in a good fashion even if this was what was ultimately in their best interests. It was no use explaining to them why they should behave well because they would not understand. Plato did not have a very good opinion of the ordinary man or woman. He thought mankind should be ruled by super-intelligent Guardians who would know what was right to do. Ordinary people could not rule because they could not be trusted to do what was right. Democracy, said Plato, is the rule of the mob.

To be fair to Plato, he was not entirely convinced that the rulers could be trusted with the truth: "might we contrive one of those opportune falsehoods ... so as by one noble lie to persuade if possible the rulers themselves, but failing that the rest of the city." Persuade the rulers of the truth of the lie and it would be all the more successful!

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Depends on how many beers you've had, how long it's been since you've last had a woman, and what she looks like, I guess.

 

[vibeeleven]

Depends on how many beers you've had, how long it's been since you've last had a woman, and what she looks like, I guess.

There's a fine line there between alcolhol consumption and beauty my friend.

 

[Captain America]

Depends on how many beers you've had, how long it's been since you've last had a woman, and what she looks like, I guess.

Both men AND women lie. Men tell more lies, women tell bigger lies.

Man: "I had to work late" (when actually he stopped off for some beer with his buddies.) :cheers:

Woman: "The baby is yours" :shock:

 

[aquapub]

Both men AND women lie. Men tell more lies, women tell bigger lies.

Man: "I had to work late" (when actually he stopped off for some beer with his buddies.) :cheers:

Woman: "The baby is yours" :shock:

This is a plagiarism of Chris Rock "Bigger and Blacker."


Anyway, my answer to this: Oscar Schindler was a liar. It all depends on the circumstances.

 

[LeftyHenry]

This is a plagiarism of Chris Rock "Bigger and Blacker."

beat me to it.

 

[kal-el]

Is it ever ok to lie? Is telling a a lie ever the right thing to do, considering certain situations and circumstances?

I would say it highly depends on the qualifications. Ask yourself if the lie is going to harm anyone or cause any emotional pain.

 

[talloulou]

There are lies and then there are lies. The first are fine. For example, "Do you like my new haircut?" Say yeah whether you do or don't. You can't uncut the hair once it's been cut and saying you don't like it will only hurt someones feelings unnecessarily. However this baby is yours when you know damn well it isn't......now that's a whopper and there's just no excuse for that kind of deception. Basically if you're pulling the wool over someones eyes- that's a foul, if you're getting away with something you know you shouldn't- that's a foul, if you're covering your own assssssss- that's a foul. If you're telling someone their butt don't look all that big.....not a problem.

 

[Captain America]

This is a plagiarism of Chris Rock "Bigger and Blacker.".

My bad. All this time I thought I was plagerizing my teen-age son.:shock:

Chris Rock is funny. Did you guys catch where he had the highest score on that kiddy Wannabe award? Sure, he's funny but I was kinda surprised that his adoring audience was so young. Little bitty kids want to be Chris Rock. Go figure. He's XXX.

I don't know who I'm gonna be plagerizing next but I'll tell you the story anyhow.....

Question: Honey does this dress make me look fat?

Lie: No sweetheart. It looks great on you. It would look better though, if it was laying on the floor around your ankles. (Chances are, she's gonna change it anyways. But you MIGHT get lucky.)

Truth: No honey. The dress don't make you look fat. Your a$$ is what makes you look fat. Here, have a twinkie.


But back to the question.............................

Hmmmmmmm........<Cap'n rubs his chin in deep thought>..........lie. And lie often.

 

[jamesrage]

My bad. All this time I thought I was plagerizing my teen-age son.:shock:

Chris Rock is funny. Did you guys catch where he had the highest score on that kiddy Wannabe award? Sure, he's funny but I was kinda surprised that his adoring audience was so young. Little bitty kids want to be Chris Rock. Go figure. He's XXX.

I don't know who I'm gonna be plagerizing next but I'll tell you the story anyhow.....

Question: Honey does this dress make me look fat?

Lie: No sweetheart. It looks great on you. It would look better though, if it was laying on the floor around your ankles. (Chances are, she's gonna change it anyways. But you MIGHT get lucky.)

Truth: No honey. The dress don't make you look fat. Your a$$ is what makes you look fat. Here, have a twinkie.


But back to the question.............................

Hmmmmmmm........<Cap'n rubs his chin in deep thought>..........lie. And lie often.

Go with the truth but make it more brutally honest.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Yes.

It's all a function of our obligations. While honor is always best served by the truth, there are times when greater moral obligations apply. I would give false intelligence to my country's enemies-- in the unlikely even that I'm in such a position-- and I would lie in a court of law to protect my family.

Lying to spare someone's feelings ain't necessarily wrong, but most of the time, it's hiding the truth from someone who could use it. They might get stung at first, but the truth is usually more beneficial to them in the long run.

There are cases where a moral obligation to the truth exists-- particularly in journalism, education, and government-- and in those cases, I don't think it's ever acceptable to lie.

 

[vibeeleven]

Yes.

It's all a function of our obligations. While honor is always best served by the truth, there are times when greater moral obligations apply. I would give false intelligence to my country's enemies-- in the unlikely even that I'm in such a position-- and I would lie in a court of law to protect my family.

Lying to spare someone's feelings ain't necessarily wrong, but most of the time, it's hiding the truth from someone who could use it. They might get stung at first, but the truth is usually more beneficial to them in the long run.

There are cases where a moral obligation to the truth exists-- particularly in journalism, education, and government-- and in those cases, I don't think it's ever acceptable to lie.

[golfclap] well said my friend, well said [/golfclap]

 

[shuamort]

Eddie Izzard had a bit about it too:

Everyone ****ing lies! We were – when we were kids we lied our heads off! “I didn’t do it! I was – I wasn’t – I was dead at the time! I was on the moon! With Steve!” And your dad’s going, “I haven’t even accused you of anything yet.” “Oh, all right. Well – what is – what’s the que – well – I – I – well – what?” “Did you brush your teeth?” “No – yes – whi – what’s correct? Anywa – yeah. I was dead at the time!” Then when you’re more mature, you do start telling the truth in odd situations. “I’m sorry, I’ve broken the glass, see – I’ve broken this – is that a – an – expensive? – I’ve – I’ll – I’ve broke it – I’ll pay for that, I’m sorry.” And you do that so people in the room might go, “What a strong personality that person has. I like to have sex with people with strong personalities.” “And I’ve broke other things, I smashed that, and…and that’s gone, and I’ve just thrown the cat out the window and…” Ooh, yeah.

So, per – you know, perjury, umm, you know. If you commit perjury, I – I don’t care. Don’t give a ****. I don’t think you should because you grade murder. You have murder one, murder two. You realize that there can be a difference in the level of murder. So there must be a difference in the level of perjury. Perjury one is when you’re saying when you’re there’s no Holocaust when, you know 10 million people have died in it, and perjury…nine, is when you said you shagged someone when you didn’t.

 

[Captain America]

Yes.

It's all a function of our obligations.

Korimyr, has anyone ever told you just how handsome you really are? You are a knock-out brother! I'm SURE all the ladies cream their jeans when you come around.

:rofl

 

[earthworm]

Lying degrades a society.

A man may think that it is OK to lie - a little - on the short term - on little things..
But this is flawed logic.
To lie a little ? Or to lie a lot, in reality there is no difference.
To lie on the short term ?
Same as above.
On little things ?
Define "little" !
Man should aspire to be good, he cannot do this by lying, ever, on anything.
It can be said that lying is the throwing away of moral values. No man is able to know when to stop lying - so why start ??

But there are judgmental people who will force a lie.
For instance . With a child who just did something "bad", the parents asks the child "did you do this "bad" thing ??"

Out of fear, the child will lie. Remove the fear, and the child will not lie ! Telling the truth is normal and natural. But very few parents are capable of not being judgemental, of not instilling fear.....

This applies to Bill Clinton as well, he, of course is subject to fear and lied.
The sex question should NEVER have been asked. The ones responsible for this are just as shameful as Clinton !
And yes, I have lied, out of fear, and I also know that there is "NO EXCUSE", and the question put to be was legitimate and necessary.

Like Clinton, I am human, corrupted by fear...

That so many thinks it is OK to lie tells me that man has a long ways to go..

 

[RightinNYC]

Lying degrades a society.

A man may think that it is OK to lie - a little - on the short term - on little things..
But this is flawed logic.
To lie a little ? Or to lie a lot, in reality there is no difference.
To lie on the short term ?
Same as above.
On little things ?
Define "little" !
Man should aspire to be good, he cannot do this by lying, ever, on anything.
It can be said that lying is the throwing away of moral values. No man is able to know when to stop lying - so why start ??

But there are judgmental people who will force a lie.
For instance . With a child who just did something "bad", the parents asks the child "did you do this "bad" thing ??"

Out of fear, the child will lie. Remove the fear, and the child will not lie ! Telling the truth is normal and natural. But very few parents are capable of not being judgemental, of not instilling fear.....

This applies to Bill Clinton as well, he, of course is subject to fear and lied.
The sex question should NEVER have been asked. The ones responsible for this are just as shameful as Clinton !
And yes, I have lied, out of fear, and I also know that there is "NO EXCUSE", and the question put to be was legitimate and necessary.

Like Clinton, I am human, corrupted by fear...

That so many thinks it is OK to lie tells me that man has a long ways to go..

I'd be lying if I said that made sense...

 

[earthworm]

Earthworm .....:......That so many thinks it is OK to lie tells me that man has a long ways to go.. ..............corrected to read.................
That so many think that it is OK to lie, tells me that man has a long ways to go..

Exactly what made no sense, RightatNYU ??

 

[justone]

I find the most difficult thing for me is - not to lie to myself.

 

[tecoyah]

Never....I have never lied and never will....

 

[vibeeleven]

Never....I have never lied and never will....

My name is tinkerbell and I expel fairy dust from my posterior oriface. :rofl:

 

[RightinNYC]

Earthworm .....:......That so many thinks it is OK to lie tells me that man has a long ways to go.. ..............corrected to read.................
That so many think that it is OK to lie, tells me that man has a long ways to go..

Exactly what made no sense, RightatNYU ??

You don't see any scenarios in which it would make sense to lie?

 

[earthworm]

No, there are no reason for a man to lie IF fear is not present.
Trouble is, we have not eradicated this yet - along with ignorance.
Better for man to overcome the fear and be honest.

 

[Billo_Really]

This is a lie.

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –Donald Rumsfield on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction

Was this Okay?

 

[earthworm]

This is a lie. Was this Okay?

What Rumsfield said was actually nothing, a not-so-masterful attempt to spin things.
The bottom line - a lie, IMO
And the news man or interviewer should have questioned him on this, if he had the balls..