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Is it News? or is it Propaganda?

Should 'News Media' be held to the standards of Journalism, as do other professions?


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Many of society's problems are now the result of MSM lies, fake news and propaganda reported as Journalism to a trusting public.

This sad state of modern journalism is the fault of universities that teach progressive activism to its students majoring in Journalism.

Western Civilization has always believed this kind of stuff only happens in totalitarian style regimes such as Communist Dictatorships.

This stark reality has for decades been undermining the integrity of free press journalism which could spell doom for the United States.

Unless the News Industry is dragged kicking and screaming back into the realm of legitimate Journalism...how do we do this you ask?

This isn't about Big Brother.....Builders require a Contractor License to build and all work and material must meet local standards and code.

Only licensed news organizations will be permitted to publicly perform the duties of journalism and shall do so in a fair and balanced manner with the only agenda being the truth, including all pertinent facts and no omission or addition of anything that might deflect from reality.

And further more; all news must be verified by evidence or witness before reported as fact and all inconclusive allegations shall in no way suggest the guilt, innocence or criminal involvement of any person or entity without absolute confirmation.

This is pretty much what good journalism is suppose to do anyway.....What we now have is corrupted news reporting with the only agenda being to convince the public that lies are reality and truth is subject to change, according to today's narrative.

All I want is: The Unbiased Truth....The Whole Unbiased Truth....And Nothing But The Unbiased Truth.
 
Which sources do you believe pass your idea of "legitimate Journalism"?
 
Which sources do you believe pass your idea of "legitimate Journalism"?
Responsible journalism requires integrity and that is certainly lacking in this day and age. What we have is the almighty dollar and personal social or political agendas that many in the press are willing to let corrupt their work.
 
Responsible journalism requires integrity and that is certainly lacking in this day and age. What we have is the almighty dollar and personal social or political agendas that many in the press are willing to let corrupt their work.

So.... none?
 
The truth is that we have NEVER had truly impartial journalism. Even back 100 years ago, it was biased. But you are correct, things have gotten so out of hand that the majority of our citizenship do not have any faith in our MSM. Tough to have a working democracy when the people are not informed.
 
So OP, do you prefer Fox News, OANN, and Newsmax?
 
Only licensed news organizations will be permitted to publicly perform the duties of journalism and shall do so in a fair and balanced manner with the only agenda being the truth, including all pertinent facts and no omission or addition of anything that might deflect from reality.

And further more; all news must be verified by evidence or witness before reported as fact and all inconclusive allegations shall in no way suggest the guilt, innocence or criminal involvement of any person or entity without absolute confirmation.
What you are suggesting is a MINISTRY of TRUTH. No one shall publish anything without prior approval of a government bureaucrat. Those who violate the provisions and regulations shall be punished to the fullest extent of the law. And I'm betting that you would want the president of the U.S. to be able to appoint the head of this department and fire him if he failed in his duty.

Many journalists are not based in the U.S. Are you suggesting that our government prevent you from reading what those journalists write if it has not passed through the approval process you suggest is necessary? If you read unapproved publications should you be punished? Or shall the government go outside our borders to silence those who who flaunt subversive ideas? Shall unlicensed journalists be the target of national and international manhunts?

Do you know why the Founding Fathers decided to protect freedom of the press in the very first amendment? It is because when someone dared to write anything critical of or displeasing to the king or those in charge of maintaining law and order in the colonies, they were hunted down and punished - for WHAT THEY WROTE! Is that what you want?

And that is what you are calling for today. And don't worry, you're not alone. Many despots around the world suppress a free press every day. Journalists put their lives on the line around the world to defy those who would silence them. Many die in the pursuit of their stories.

And do you think you would be exempt from "journalism regulations"? Think again. What you write in a blog or on a debate board will not be overlooked. You have a potential audience of millions on the Internet and by your standards, that audience needs to be protected from your unverified allegations and anything that lacks "absolute confirmation."

Be very very careful of what you wish for.
 
Many of society's problems are now the result of MSM lies, fake news and propaganda reported as Journalism to a trusting public.

This sad state of modern journalism is the fault of universities that teach progressive activism to its students majoring in Journalism.

Western Civilization has always believed this kind of stuff only happens in totalitarian style regimes such as Communist Dictatorships.

This stark reality has for decades been undermining the integrity of free press journalism which could spell doom for the United States.

Unless the News Industry is dragged kicking and screaming back into the realm of legitimate Journalism...how do we do this you ask?

This isn't about Big Brother.....Builders require a Contractor License to build and all work and material must meet local standards and code.

Only licensed news organizations will be permitted to publicly perform the duties of journalism and shall do so in a fair and balanced manner with the only agenda being the truth, including all pertinent facts and no omission or addition of anything that might deflect from reality.

And further more; all news must be verified by evidence or witness before reported as fact and all inconclusive allegations shall in no way suggest the guilt, innocence or criminal involvement of any person or entity without absolute confirmation.

This is pretty much what good journalism is suppose to do anyway.....What we now have is corrupted news reporting with the only agenda being to convince the public that lies are reality and truth is subject to change, according to today's narrative.

All I want is: The Unbiased Truth....The Whole Unbiased Truth....And Nothing But The Unbiased Truth.
You want a ministry of truth appointed....but only if led by your party
 
Where did the OP run off to?
 
It's propaganda if it is something negative about trump.
It's news if it's something positive about trump.

That's why there is so little new news.
 
Which sources do you believe pass your idea of "legitimate Journalism"?


Its hard, I do NOT watch news anymore, they are all aligned with the mighty $$$$$$$ from my experience lately I would say Epoch Times is pretty good they are Immigrants that fleed Chinas Communist reign, Reuters seems to be pretty center of the line in reporting.
 
Its hard, I do NOT watch news anymore, they are all aligned with the mighty $$$$$$$ from my experience lately I would say Epoch Times is pretty good they are Immigrants that fleed Chinas Communist reign, Reuters seems to be pretty center of the line in reporting.

Agreed on Reuters... but Epoch Times is a right wing propaganda

" The small New York-based nonprofit news outlet has spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months, according to data from Facebook’s advertising archive — more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself, and more than most Democratic presidential candidates have spent on their own campaigns.
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Former practitioners of Falun Gong told NBC News that believers think the world is headed toward a judgment day, where those labeled “communists” will be sent to a kind of hell, and those sympathetic to the spiritual community will be spared. Trump is viewed as a key ally in the anti-communist fight, former Epoch Times employees said. "
 
Agreed on Reuters... but Epoch Times is a right wing propaganda

" The small New York-based nonprofit news outlet has spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 pro-Trump advertisements in the last six months, according to data from Facebook’s advertising archive — more than any organization outside of the Trump campaign itself, and more than most Democratic presidential candidates have spent on their own campaigns. "


Do you have something in particular that is /was propaganda? Or did you just use some Media Bias check website
 
Do you have something in particular that is /was propaganda? Or did you just use some Media Bias check website

"“It’s like we were supposed to be fighting so-called liberal propaganda by making our own,” said Steve Klett, who covered the Trump campaign for The Epoch Times as his first job in journalism. Klett likened The Epoch Times to a Russian troll farm and said his articles were edited to remove outside criticism of Trump.

“The worst was the Pulse shooting,” Klett said, referring to the 2016 mass shooting in which 50 people including the gunman were killed at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. “We weren’t allowed to cover stories involving homosexuality, but that bumps up against them wanting to cover Islamic terrorism. So I wrote four articles without using the word gay.”
"

" While The Epoch Times usually straddles the line between an ultraconservative news outlet and a conspiracy warehouse, some popular online shows created by Epoch Times employees and produced by NTD cross the line completely, and spread far and wide.
...
One such show is "Edge of Wonder," a verified YouTube channel that releases new NTD-produced videos twice every week and now has more than 33 million views. In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the drug epidemic was engineered by the “deep state,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the same “Spygate” cabal is a front for a global pedophile ring being taken down by Trump. "

A lot more in the link I provided in the post to which you responded.
 
"“It’s like we were supposed to be fighting so-called liberal propaganda by making our own,” said Steve Klett, who covered the Trump campaign for The Epoch Times as his first job in journalism. Klett likened The Epoch Times to a Russian troll farm and said his articles were edited to remove outside criticism of Trump.

“The worst was the Pulse shooting,” Klett said, referring to the 2016 mass shooting in which 50 people including the gunman were killed at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. “We weren’t allowed to cover stories involving homosexuality, but that bumps up against them wanting to cover Islamic terrorism. So I wrote four articles without using the word gay.”
"

" While The Epoch Times usually straddles the line between an ultraconservative news outlet and a conspiracy warehouse, some popular online shows created by Epoch Times employees and produced by NTD cross the line completely, and spread far and wide.
...
One such show is "Edge of Wonder," a verified YouTube channel that releases new NTD-produced videos twice every week and now has more than 33 million views. In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the drug epidemic was engineered by the “deep state,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the same “Spygate” cabal is a front for a global pedophile ring being taken down by Trump. "

A lot more in the link I provided in the post to which you responded.


Interesting so they do change the stories narrative, not sure that false entirely under propaganda though.
 
Many of society's problems are now the result of MSM lies, fake news and propaganda reported as Journalism to a trusting public.

This sad state of modern journalism is the fault of universities that teach progressive activism to its students majoring in Journalism.

Western Civilization has always believed this kind of stuff only happens in totalitarian style regimes such as Communist Dictatorships.

This stark reality has for decades been undermining the integrity of free press journalism which could spell doom for the United States.

Unless the News Industry is dragged kicking and screaming back into the realm of legitimate Journalism...how do we do this you ask?

This isn't about Big Brother.....Builders require a Contractor License to build and all work and material must meet local standards and code.

Only licensed news organizations will be permitted to publicly perform the duties of journalism and shall do so in a fair and balanced manner with the only agenda being the truth, including all pertinent facts and no omission or addition of anything that might deflect from reality.

And further more; all news must be verified by evidence or witness before reported as fact and all inconclusive allegations shall in no way suggest the guilt, innocence or criminal involvement of any person or entity without absolute confirmation.

This is pretty much what good journalism is suppose to do anyway.....What we now have is corrupted news reporting with the only agenda being to convince the public that lies are reality and truth is subject to change, according to today's narrative.

All I want is: The Unbiased Truth....The Whole Unbiased Truth....And Nothing But The Unbiased Truth.

Nope!

What we see today is the result of numemours factors. It does not make sense to tie fake new to some "progresive culture" in universities journalism departments when fake news has consumed the supposeddly "independent," untrained activists who play the journalist in youtube. And let's not forget the role various commentators such as Hannity and the rest of his ilk play. These people also assume the role of a journalist (watch how often Hannity interviews Trump) and act as an echo chamber for any conspirancy theory that grows on the far-right. Classic example, the promotion of years of the Obama bith-certificate conspirancy.

The problem we see today are the results of

1 Increased commercialization of news and news commentaries:
The rise of social media, onlne 24/7 news channels and the rise of platforms like youtube is used by professionals and even common people to make mney based on "click-bait" controversial titles and content. Anybody, including common people can create a channel and get a second income by advertisements based on subscription numbers. and contributions based on subscrribers who want to hear a certain political view in order to continue support the channel

2 Increased volume of publicized news:
As is often the case, quantity comes at the expense of quality. This also leads often to a behavior of quick and incomplete reading. Many people just do not read a story in full. They just have a quick glance at the headline and first paragraph.

3 Diconnect between advancements in public education and advancements in the mass media technology:
simply put, the technological ability that most people have today to get information exceeds their educational ability to use critical thinking and evaluate such information


4 General social anxiety and pessimism about the future
Many people sense that the current system has stopped working for them. There is less optimism and a propensity to look to the past (MAGA). In such circumnstances, the legitimacy of institutions is tested. So, when even scientific institutions are treated with suspicion, it is much easier for the fake news ndustry to convince people that the "deep state" has misled the public. Most people simply do not have the knowledge to understand complicated technical subjects related to climate change or pandemics, so lack of trust in the experts provides an opening to have people accept fake news as scientific facts.
 
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If I want to believe it it's news, if I don't want to believe it it's propaganda, is that how it works?
 
Many of society's problems are now the result of MSM lies, fake news and propaganda reported as Journalism to a trusting public.
Yes, you're right. Fox News is full of lies, fake news and propaganda.


Western Civilization has always believed this kind of stuff only happens in totalitarian style regimes such as Communist Dictatorships.
:rolleyes:

News flash! In totalitarian states, media that publish articles that displease the regime in charge don't last long. There was no equivalent to the New York Times in the USSR. The contemporary authoritarian propaganda machines are at Fox News, Breitbart, OANN, Limbaugh, and other pro-Trump outlets.


the News Industry is dragged kicking and screaming back into the realm of legitimate Journalism...how do we do this you ask?
You obviously have no idea what a "legitimate journalist" does.


Only licensed news organizations will be permitted to publicly perform the duties of journalism and shall do so in a fair and balanced manner with the only agenda being the truth, including all pertinent facts and no omission or addition of anything that might deflect from reality.
LOL

Hello? Have you heard of this crazy thing called the US Constitution? No? Bill of Rights, perhaps? The US government is explicitly barred from exactly those types of restrictions.

By the way, who gets to decide which journalists are "fair and balanced?" Trump? F*** that noise.


And further more; all news must be verified by evidence....
So, you want to put Fox News and Breitbart out of business? And force the MSM to stop repeating Trump's firehose of lies? Good for you. Sadly, that would be completely unconstitutional.

That said, we do have this crazy thing in the US known as "defamation laws." As in, if a media outlet publishes something that it knows is a lie, and does so with the intent to harm anyone, they can get sued. What a concept.

By the way, I'm sure that 99% of the stories that you object to are backed by facts and evidence. Go ahead, give us some examples of the stories in the MSM that you insist are full of lies. That should be fun.
 
Its hard, I do NOT watch news anymore, they are all aligned with the mighty $$$$$$$ from my experience lately I would say Epoch Times is pretty good they are Immigrants that fleed Chinas Communist reign, Reuters seems to be pretty center of the line in reporting.
Media fact check has this to say about epoch times

A factual search shows that they have failed several fact checks.




Further, the Epoch Times has a section called Beyond Science that publishes pseudoscience news, such as Supernormal Abilities Developed Through Meditation: Dr. Dean Radin Discusses. Finally, the above referenced NBC News report states “In addition to claims that alien abductions are real and the drug epidemic was engineered by the “deep state,” the channel pushes the QAnon conspiracy theory, which falsely posits that the same “Spygate” cabal is a front for a global pedophile ring being taken down by Trump.”


Overall, we rate The Epoch Times borderline Questionable and Right Biased based on editorial positions that consistently favor the right. We also rate them factually Mixed due to the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of pro-Trump propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as failed fact checks. (M. Huitsing 8/21/2017) (Updated 4/16/2020)
 
What you are suggesting is a MINISTRY of TRUTH. No one shall publish anything without prior approval of a government bureaucrat. Those who violate the provisions and regulations shall be punished to the fullest extent of the law. And I'm betting that you would want the president of the U.S. to be able to appoint the head of this department and fire him if he failed in his duty.
You should read the OP more carefully.....You are way-way-way off track from what I'm saying here.

I'm suggesting news agencies should be licensed as legitimate institutions of professional journalism.

Professional journalism is in-depth investigating, the relentless search for facts and reporting only the truth.

Parroting baseless accusations and biased opinions is not journalism.....it's simply lies, propaganda and fake news.

And if a licensed News Agency is reporting baseless accusations and biased opinions; then it should lose its license!

Just as the American Bar Association disbars unethical lawyers and State Medical Boards revoke incompetent doctors' licenses.

I'm not suggesting big brother government has to approve or edit what they say...they're simply not allowed to pass it off as news.

Many journalists are not based in the U.S. Are you suggesting that our government prevent you from reading what those journalists write if it has not passed through the approval process you suggest is necessary? If you read unapproved publications should you be punished? Or shall the government go outside our borders to silence those who who flaunt subversive ideas? Shall unlicensed journalists be the target of national and international manhunts?
You are so desperately grasping at anything and everything that you believe might discredit me and mine.

If a foreign news agency is violating the standards of American Journalism, they shouldn't be allowed to market their "fake news" here either.

They could still find a niche in the US market; even without a license.....just look at the National Enquirer.....they do really good reporting BS.

Do you know why the Founding Fathers decided to protect freedom of the press in the very first amendment? It is because when someone dared to write anything critical of or displeasing to the king or those in charge of maintaining law and order in the colonies, they were hunted down and punished - for WHAT THEY WROTE! Is that what you want?
What you say could be of concern if separating the truth from baseless accusations and biased opinions was difficult to do.

But there is a way to tell the difference.....actual evidence to verify baseless accusations and biased opinions is all but nonexistent.

And that is what you are calling for today. And don't worry, you're not alone. Many despots around the world suppress a free press every day. Journalists put their lives on the line around the world to defy those who would silence them. Many die in the pursuit of their stories.

And do you think you would be exempt from "journalism regulations"? Think again. What you write in a blog or on a debate board will not be overlooked. You have a potential audience of millions on the Internet and by your standards, that audience needs to be protected from your unverified allegations and anything that lacks "absolute confirmation."

Be very very careful of what you wish for.
Those "unverified allegations" you allude to are facts and obvious to anyone who bothers to just look and listen.....But truth is the enemy of your marxist masters.

You should spend more time seeking out the truth rather than desperately trying to justify the progressive lies and propaganda that consumes your every waking hour.

It's you who should "be very very careful of what you wish for" while you worship at your altar of marxist lies and propaganda.
 
Many of society's problems are now the result of MSM lies, fake news and propaganda reported as Journalism to a trusting public.

This sad state of modern journalism is the fault of universities that teach progressive activism to its students majoring in Journalism.

Western Civilization has always believed this kind of stuff only happens in totalitarian style regimes such as Communist Dictatorships.

This stark reality has for decades been undermining the integrity of free press journalism which could spell doom for the United States.

Unless the News Industry is dragged kicking and screaming back into the realm of legitimate Journalism...how do we do this you ask?

This isn't about Big Brother.....Builders require a Contractor License to build and all work and material must meet local standards and code.

Only licensed news organizations will be permitted to publicly perform the duties of journalism and shall do so in a fair and balanced manner with the only agenda being the truth, including all pertinent facts and no omission or addition of anything that might deflect from reality.

And further more; all news must be verified by evidence or witness before reported as fact and all inconclusive allegations shall in no way suggest the guilt, innocence or criminal involvement of any person or entity without absolute confirmation.

This is pretty much what good journalism is suppose to do anyway.....What we now have is corrupted news reporting with the only agenda being to convince the public that lies are reality and truth is subject to change, according to today's narrative.

All I want is: The Unbiased Truth....The Whole Unbiased Truth....And Nothing But The Unbiased Truth.
Who issues the license? Homeland Security?
See, if there's a license involved we're not talking about a right, we're talking about a privilege. You've made the free press not free anymore.
Sits just fine with you apparently but anyone who remembers what America is supposed to be about will have a problem with it.
 
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