Is it good that the progressives/liberals will have more say in Congress' agenda? (1 Viewer)

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The poll on this page shows that about 60% (of AOL poll voters at least) are not happy that progressives will have more of a say. They plan to put issues like universal health care on the forefront. Do you think this is a good things for America? Whether or not you agree with the progressives, is it a good thing for the Bush agenda to go away once and for all and allow the liberal Democrats to set the tone? Or would you rather see the Blue Dogs and moderate Republicans take Bush's agenda to try and find the common ground?

Progressive Caucus Comes Out of Hiding
By ERICA WERNER
AP

WASHINGTON - There's one certainty for the Capitol's most liberal lawmakers now that Democrats will control Congress: They won't have to meet in the basement anymore.

"One time they put us in the most obscure, smallest meeting room in the farthest corner," Oregon Rep. Peter DeFazio said of life for progressive Democrats under GOP control. Now, "we should be able to score a regular and accessible meeting place."

That may be the easy part.

Accustomed to pleading in obscurity for causes like universal health care, come January these progressives from Northern California, Massachusetts and elsewhere will be part of the congressional majority and in a position to actually do something about them.

Yet they risk getting pinched between liberals itching for impeachment hearings and a quick end to the Iraq war, and more centrist Democrats looking to make common cause with Republicans on fiscal issues...

And that's assuming progressives can settle on their own goals from a long list of priorities, including universal health care, action on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, voting reform and fixing the trade imbalance...

The Progressive Caucus, founded in 1991 over frustration with the policies of the first Bush administration, claimed 63 members this year and says it is the largest active Democratic caucus in the House. The moderate New Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats have more than 40 members each, with significant overlap.

Elections 2006- Progressive Caucus Comes Out of Hiding - AOL News

 

[Alastor]

I'm not a liberal, I'm a conservative.

But I'm not a neocon, again, I'm conservative.

Yes, we needed to restore a balance of power. No, I do not agree with the "liberal agenda."

But I don't agree with the whack-jobs that called themselves Republicans for the last few years either, and balance was desperately needed.

 

[jfuh]

There's an inherent flaw with the way the question has been worded as it suggests that progressivism and liberalism are one of the same when in fact these two ideologies are quite different.

 

[jamesrage]

The poll on this page shows that about 60% (of AOL poll voters at least) are not happy that progressives will have more of a say. They plan to put issues like universal health care on the forefront. Do you think this is a good things for America? Whether or not you agree with the progressives, is it a good thing for the Bush agenda to go away once and for all and allow the liberal Democrats to set the tone? Or would you rather see the Blue Dogs and moderate Republicans take Bush's agenda to try and find the common ground?



Elections 2006- Progressive Caucus Comes Out of Hiding - AOL News

Progressive would suggest progress not the degeneracy the left tries to push.

 

[Alastor]

There's an inherent flaw with the way the question has been worded as it suggests that progressivism and liberalism are one of the same when in fact these two ideologies are quite different.

Also a fair point.

And keep in mind that just as Rush Limbaugh somewhat perverted the term "Conservative," folks like Al Franken and his ilk actively pervert the term "Progressive" as well.

It gets pretty muddy down in that water these days, even when just trying to find out what type of progressive someone is.

 

[Goobieman]

-Define "progressive".
-Explain how it differs from the Modern American definition of "liberal".
-Explain how what the dems whant to do with Congress qualifies as "progressive" but not "liberal".

As fas as what the "Neo-Con" GOP has done over the last 6 years -- if GWB had a (D) after his name, there isnt a single liberal/progressive among you that would have complained -- in factrm you;d praise his ability to get the GOP-controlled congress to work with him.

 

[Alastor]

-Define "progressive".
-Explain how it differs from the Modern American definition of "liberal".
-Explain how what the Democrats whant to do with Congress qualifies as "progressive" but not "liberal".

As fas as what the "Neo-Con" GOP has done over the last 6 years -- if GWB had a (D) after his name, there isnt a single liberal/progressive among you that would have complained -- in factrm you;d praise his ability to get the GOP-controlled congress to work with him.

Uh... No.

This ain't a university. Read some books. If you want an education, I can accommodate you, but I get paid for that sort of work.

This is a discussion board, not a school. If you didn't come prepared, we can discuss my fees via PM.

 

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As fas as what the "Neo-Con" GOP has done over the last 6 years -- if GWB had a (D) after his name, there isnt a single liberal/progressive among you that would have complained -- in factrm you;d praise his ability to get the GOP-controlled congress to work with him.

If GWB had a (D) after his name he'd have gone home after being blown out in the 2000 primaries.

 

[jfuh]

-Define "progressive".
-Explain how it differs from the Modern American definition of "liberal".
-Explain how what the Democrats whant to do with Congress qualifies as "progressive" but not "liberal".

As fas as what the "Neo-Con" GOP has done over the last 6 years -- if GWB had a (D) after his name, there isnt a single liberal/progressive among you that would have complained -- in factrm you;d praise his ability to get the GOP-controlled congress to work with him.

If GWB had a (D) after his name you would be screaming your top off about his failure before 911 as well as screaming of th 3000 US deaths, warrentless wiretaps so on and so forth, as opposed to praising him.

 

[Goobieman]

Uh... No.
This ain't a university. Read some books. If you want an education, I can accommodate you, but I get paid for that sort of work.

Somehow, I doubt that. :roll:

In any event, if you're not going to answer the questions -- legitimate questions not put to you directly -- don't bother wasting our time with your vapid non-response to them.

 

[Alastor]

Somehow, I doubt that. :roll:

In any event, if you're not going to answer the questions -- legitimate questions not put to you directly -- don't bother wasting our time with your vapid non-response to them.

Nah, seriously. I have a degree in Political Science and a degree in History. I really do lessons for a living.

I can do an Internet class up for you. Just let me know.

 

[Goobieman]

Nah, seriously. I have a degree in Political Science and a degree in History. I really do lessons for a living.

Gee. So do I. BFD.

See, I didnt ask because -I- dont know, I asked so I knew what the OP was thinking when he OP'd -- seeing as a lot of people have very interesting delusions as to what "Progressive" and "Modern American Liberal" really mean, one cannot assume they think the terms mean what the terms actually mean.

And unless you know what the OP means by the terms he uses, there's no real way to address the poll.

:roll:

I can do an Internet class up for you. Just let me know.

I have a better idea -- stop being as a$$ and answer the questions.

 

[Alastor]

Goobieman,

Are you honestly telling me that you think progressives and liberals are the same thing? You don't think there's any difference between the two of them?

Seriously dude, do you genuinely need this explanation or are you simply trying to fatigue someone you disagree with by asking for pedantia, arguing symantics, and pinning one down in minutia?

 

[Goobieman]

Goobieman,
Are you honestly telling me that you think progressives and liberals are the same thing? You don't think there's any difference between the two of them?

I see you didnt take any reading comprehension courses on your way to your poli-sci/history degree. If you had, you wouldn't be asking this question.

Seriously dude, do you genuinely need this explanation[?]

Read what I said:

...unless you know what the OP means by the terms he uses, there's no real way to address the poll.

Now, answer your own question.
You might want to wear a helmet.

 

[Alastor]

Oh, Goobieman... I'm sorry...

But if you genuinely need that explanation, you're simply unfit to be in conversations of this caliber.

I mean no offense, but genuinely dude, if you're at a loss as to a basic thing such as the differences among two major ideological camps, then you're simply not up to the conversation you've initiated.

I apologize, but you're going to have to engage someone more your speed. I don't really have the time to give you the basics of political structures in the midst of a conversation about complex issues.

Perhaps you can start a new thread and ask someone that does have the free time to do such things for information? Surely some helpful person that doesn't work 12 hour days will be willing to help you out.

 

[Goobieman]

Oh, Goobieman....if you genuinely need that explanation, you're simply unfit to be in conversations of this caliber.

What part of
See, I didnt ask because -I- dont know, I asked so I knew what the OP was thinking when he OP'd -- seeing as a lot of people have very interesting delusions as to what "Progressive" and "Modern American Liberal" really mean, one cannot assume they think the terms mean what the terms actually mean.
didnt you get?

I mean no offense, but genuinely dude, if you're at a loss as to a basic thing such as the differences among two major ideological camps, then you're simply not up to the conversation you've initiated.

What part of
See, I didnt ask because -I- dont know, I asked so I knew what the OP was thinking when he OP'd -- seeing as a lot of people have very interesting delusions as to what "Progressive" and "Modern American Liberal" really mean, one cannot assume they think the terms mean what the terms actually mean.
didnt you get?

I apologize, but you're going to have to engage someone more your speed. I don't really have the time to give you the basics of political structures in the midst of a conversation about complex issues.

What part of
See, I didnt ask because -I- dont know, I asked so I knew what the OP was thinking when he OP'd -- seeing as a lot of people have very interesting delusions as to what "Progressive" and "Modern American Liberal" really mean, one cannot assume they think the terms mean what the terms actually mean.
didnt you get?

Perhaps you can start a new thread and ask someone that does have the free time to do such things for information? Surely some helpful person that doesn't work 12 hour days will be willing to help you out.

What part of
See, I didnt ask because -I- dont know, I asked so I knew what the OP was thinking when he OP'd -- seeing as a lot of people have very interesting delusions as to what "Progressive" and "Modern American Liberal" really mean, one cannot assume they think the terms mean what the terms actually mean.
didnt you get?

Now, if you want to continue to avoid the issue, be my guest -- one can only assume you're avoding said issue and, instead, focusing on me because you have nothing worthwhile to say, nothing of value to add, and you know it.

 

[Navy Pride]

I'm not a liberal, I'm a conservative.

But I'm not a neocon, again, I'm conservative.

Yes, we needed to restore a balance of power. No, I do not agree with the "liberal agenda."

But I don't agree with the whack-jobs that called themselves Republicans for the last few years either, and balance was desperately needed.

ROTFLMAO......:rofl

 

[Navy Pride]

-Define "progressive".
-Explain how it differs from the Modern American definition of "liberal".
-Explain how what the Democrats whant to do with Congress qualifies as "progressive" but not "liberal".

As fas as what the "Neo-Con" GOP has done over the last 6 years -- if GWB had a (D) after his name, there isnt a single liberal/progressive among you that would have complained -- in factrm you;d praise his ability to get the GOP-controlled congress to work with him.

Progressive is just a nice name for Liberal........