"Is It Finally Time to Defund War?"

[Antiwar]

Tried - and no pretense.

None whatsoever. The point I made is that what you seek isn't something that will ever be done unilaterally, for obvious reasons. If you had a counterpoint to that argument, I've yet to see it. What makes you think that, just for example, Arabs and Persians will disarm their borders after hundreds of years of recurring conflict? Or even Pakistan and India, a conflict that has only existed for a few generations? Do you see them buying what you're selling in your OP anytime soon? Hmm? Try making that point.

Not even a little. Have you gone farther into the realm of the unrealistic in the past few weeks?

What do your examples have to do with this thread?

An American talking about waiting for multilateral disarmament is odd.

 

[Antiwar]

Good luck with that. Half of America still wants their wall built.

And the other political party likes that their Blue Team president is fomenting wars and increased militarism.

Don't mistake my position for hope.

 

[Razoo]

Putin invades a sovereign nation, and the bad guys are...the American military industrial complex?

The military industrial complex have been the bad guys long before Putin and long before the Putin invasion. Between the MIC and the OIC oil industry complex and the big wall street banks which make
ton of money financing wars and the IMF .......... Putin is no sweet heart no way Jose' then again neither is USA gov't imperialism.

Imperialism does not represent the majority of the American population. Imperialism is all about greedy profits for the few.

Remember Reagan and his "Tear down that wall slogan"? Now the fake republicans are repeating fake information. That wall is wrecaknomics galore and the tax payers are getting ripped off.

 

[Questerr]

A militarist is a person in favor of militarism, and one definition of militarism is:

Quote: the opinions or actions of people who believe that a country should use military methods, forces, etc., to gain power and to achieve its goals.

For instance, the goal of defending the country against a hostile foreign invasion?

If you use military forces to defend yourself against an invasion you are a militarist. Therefore the only correct action for a non-militarist is to not resist and surrender when invaded, yes?

 

[Questerr]

Chuckle.

You would have chuckled at that regarding Ukraine in January. But then again, you think they need to surrender to Russia until some mythical "international justice system" that does not and cannot exist saves them.

 

[Questerr]

So now, finally, would be a great time to drop the competition and domination paradigms.

How do you make countries do that? Explain the practical methods for doing so.

 

[Questerr]

And the other political party likes that their Blue Team president is fomenting wars and increased militarism.

Don't mistake my position for hope.

Do you believe the US should stop sending weapons to Ukraine, thereby causing Ukraine to lose the war and surrender to Russian militarism?

 

[craig]

Quoting:

Is It Finally Time to Defund War?

Along with the harm caused by its outsized greenhouse gas emissions and its exploitation of climate chaos as an excuse for imperialism, the Pentagon wreaks terrible damage by soaking up trillions of dollars in government funds that should have gone to meet all-too-human needs, mitigate climate change, and repair the ecological damage the Pentagon itself has caused in its wars in this century.

Months before Russia invaded Ukraine, ensuring that yet more greenhouse gases would be pumped into our atmosphere, a group of British scholars lamented the Biden administration’s enthusiasm for military funding. They wrote that, “rather than scaling back military spending to pay for urgent climate-related spending, initial budget requests for military appropriations are actually increasing even as some U.S. foreign adventures are supposedly coming to a close.” It’s pointless, they suggested, “to tinker around the edges of the U.S. war machine’s environmental impact.” The funds spent “procuring and distributing fuel across the U.S. empire could instead be spent as a peace dividend [that] includes significant technology transfer and no-strings-attached funding for adaptation and clean energy to those countries most vulnerable to climate change.”

The Nightmare of Military Spending on an Overheating Planet

On October 1st, the U.S. military will start spending the more than $800 billion Congress is going to provide it with in fiscal year 2023. And that

www.counterpunch.org

What is your plan to defend against those who don't defund their Military? Passive resistance? Surrender? Just lay down and die?

 

[Questerr]

What is your plan to defend against those who don't defund their Military? Passive resistance? Surrender? Just lay down and die?

Well @Antiwar has said that having a military strong enough to defend against an invasion is itself militarism, so you definitely can't do that.

 

[Ambig]

Exactly. Biden increased militarism spending prior to Russia attacking Ukraine.

Smart and capable guy, our president.

 

[Ambig]

So you're pretending I put words in your mouth.

Why would he need to pretend when everyone saw you do it?

 

[Ambig]

Chuckle.

When you find yourself debated into a corner, admit it and be stronger next time.

 

[Ambig]

To my knowledge, Mars has never broken a treaty. If you have proof otherwise, feel free to post a link.

No problem. I know a Wiki editor. Wait right there.

 

[Ambig]

Will most people ever smarten up?

You should try to smarten them up. Just engage debate.

 

[Ambig]

So now, finally, would be a great time to drop the competition and domination paradigms.

You first. Drop your defenses. You can trust me.

 

[Ambig]

An American talking about waiting for multilateral disarmament is odd.

Any person talking about unilateral disarmament is suicidal.

(Unless he's suggesting it for the other guy, I mean.)

 

[Ambig]

And the other political party likes that their Blue Team president is fomenting wars and increased militarism.

Where is Biden fomenting wars?

 

[Antiwar]

What is your plan to defend against those who don't defund their Military? Passive resistance? Surrender? Just lay down and die?

My plan is to keep increasing US militarism till humanity is extinct.

 

[Antiwar]

Where is Biden fomenting wars?

It's not really Biden, it's US militarism. Russia and China. And the GWoT is still going.

 

[Ambig]

If you use military forces to defend yourself against an invasion you are a militarist. Therefore the only correct action for a non-militarist is to not resist and surrender when invaded, yes?

I see no alternative.

I wonder when Antiwar will lie down and stop resisting superior debaters? It's debate militarism at its ugliest, to fight back like that.

 

[Antiwar]

You should try to smarten them up. Just engage debate.

You post a lot of fluff. Find another thread.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I think you should let others tell you what they think... rather than telling them what that think.

Doesn't that seem a reasonable approach to discussion and debate?

Telling others what they should think is @Antiwar’s thing. That, and posting far left/socialist lies.

 

[Ambig]

You post a lot of fluff. Find another thread.

Says the guy who wants everyone to "defund war".

 

[RaleBulgarian]

What is your plan to defend against those who don't defund their Military? Passive resistance? Surrender? Just lay down and die?

All of the above.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Do you believe the US should stop sending weapons to Ukraine, thereby causing Ukraine to lose the war and surrender to Russian militarism?

Theoretically and philosophically.....I think that yes the US should stop sending weapons to Ukraine, if I am to stop and think about it and be perfectly honest.

The US should stop sending weapons to Israel too, and many other places. There are arguments to be made about "defense" and "freedom
" and blah blah blah, but all that rings mighty hollow. Afghanistan can attest to that. So can Iraq. And Palestine.

In a perfect world, the US wouldn't be sending any weapons to Ukraine. Russia did not attack the USA, military is supposed to be for DEFENSE of the nation. Not for meddling around the world. Technically. The US has no alliance with Ukraine, they are not a NATO country.

The US wouldn't be "causing Ukraine to lose the war"...Russia would be doing that.

All the talk about "stopping mad men" blah blah blah, lets just contain the mad men in our own nation for now. Once all that is taken care of, then we can start worrying about everyone else. Or not.

OTOH, I know that the US isnt going to stop sending weapons to everyone and meddling in their affairs. This post is my pipe dream, not anything that I expect to actually happen.