Is healthcare a right?

[Wings]

Any country that has adapted a UHC system has moved UP that ladder, not down. Not sure why we would be different. Here is one of the most recent examples:

Thailand gave healthcare to its entire population and the results were dramatic | World Economic Forum

If we don’t have the infrastructure to provide for it right now, that means we are not a developed nation yet in that regard, and we got work to do. You don’t just watch people die of easily treatable things and shrug it off as “oh well too bad we don’t have the infrastructure for it”. Fix it. If Denmark, Japan, and freaking Thailand can do it, we should be able to as well. We built the interstate highway system and the Hoover dam. We can do this too.

You need to read that article in its entirety. Everything is t hunky dorey there.

So where are you going to our all this new infrastructure.?


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[ataraxia]

No one is asking or really looking at WHY we are 37th. I don’t believe UHC would love us up that ladder at all. I would bet it would move us down.

We don’t have the infrastrucure or the nurses and doctors to make it work in a “free for all”. To me, that’s a bad thing.


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They have. There has been intense interest in this area from public health specialists and sociologists for a long time now.

The superior health outcomes achieved by other wealthy countries demonstrate that Americans are—to use the language of negotiators—“leaving years of life on the table.” The causes of this problem are many: poverty, widening income disparity, underinvestment in social infrastructure, lack of health insurance coverage and access to health care. Expanding insurance coverage under the Affordable Care Act will help, but pouring more money into health care is not the only answer.

Why America Is Losing the Health Race | The New Yorker

 

[ataraxia]

You need to read that article in its entirety. Everything is t hunky dorey there.

So where are you going to our all this new infrastructure.?


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Same place we get all our other infrastructure. If you want to talk about details for how to go about it, it would be a good issue to Bring up with your congressman.

 

[snakestretcher]

No one is asking or really looking at WHY we are 37th. I don’t believe UHC would love us up that ladder at all. I would bet it would move us down.

We don’t have the infrastrucure or the nurses and doctors to make it work in a “free for all”. To me, that’s a bad thing.


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Well, consider that every other nation with UHC had to start somewhere; it was always going to be a leap in the dark with no precedent or experience outside the private sphere. America has many well-functioning international UHC models to learn from and adapt to existing US infrastructure. If the will is there it can be done.

 

[Wings]

Well, consider that every other nation with UHC had to start somewhere; it was always going to be a leap in the dark with no precedent or experience outside the private sphere. America has many well-functioning international UHC models to learn from and adapt to existing US infrastructure. If the will is there it can be done.

This is part of my problem with this.

I’m not opposed to UHC I am opposed to “sign it to see what’s in there”.

There has to be a plan in place and methods to amend that plan as unforeseen problems arise.

Making villains out of CEOs and “big” business isn’t going to work either.

Folks are in an uproar over the electoral college, imagine when the hospital in the middle of nowhere Wyoming needs more funding per patient than one in LA.


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[danielpalos]

Equal protection of the law is a right. We can advance from there.

 

[Glitch]

So if the SCOTUS has ruled current Medicare and Medicaid programs are unconstitutional, why are they still going strong?

Because that isn't what they decided. You really have never bothered to actually read the case. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Glitch]

It could simply be managed directly by the federal government.

Only if Congress gives the States a genuine choice whether they accept Congress' illegal law or not. If the States are not given that choice then the illegal law will be tossed just as quickly as the illegal MediCare/MedicAid exansion was under ObamaCare. Despite repeated attempts by the socialist fascists, Congress cannot force its will upon the States. You can pull that crap in other countries where they have no respect for individual rights, but that kind of totalitarian BS will never be allowed in the US.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Only if Congress gives the States a genuine choice whether they accept Congress' illegal law or not. If the States are not given that choice then the illegal law will be tossed just as quickly as the illegal MediCare/MedicAid exansion was under ObamaCare. Despite repeated attempts by the socialist fascists, Congress cannot force its will upon the States. You can pull that crap in other countries where they have no respect for individual rights, but that kind of totalitarianism BS will never be allowed in the US.

Interesting, I was not aware of that legal precedent.

 

[danielpalos]

It should be easy to task the US Public Health Service with creating a network for healthcare providers to access for administrative convenience and the latest in healthcare sector research information.

 

[Glitch]

Interesting, I was not aware of that legal precedent.

Yet another one who didn't bother reading the Supreme Court decision. Why is it the socialist fascists who wish to impose their totalitarian Marxist ideology on the rest of the nation never bother to actually read what the Supreme Court has to say on the subject? Are they that stupid not to know that the Supreme Court is the one that determines the constitutionality of a law? Or is it that they just don't care whether it is legal or not? As the history of socialist fascists have already repeatedly demonstrated since the days of Benito Mussolini, it is most likely the latter. It is already obvious that socialist fascists have absolutely no respect for the law.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Yet another one who didn't bother reading the Supreme Court decision. Why is it the socialist fascists who wish to impose their totalitarian Marxist ideology on the rest of the nation never bother to actually read what the Supreme Court has to say on the subject? Are they that stupid not to know that the Supreme Court is the one that determines the constitutionality of a law? Or is it that they just don't care whether it is legal or not? As the history of socialist fascists have already repeatedly demonstrated since the days of Benito Mussolini, it is most likely the latter. It is already obvious that socialist fascists have absolutely no respect for the law.

Do you use software to generate these messages? This is fascinating.

 

[ataraxia]

Because that isn't what they decided. You really have never bothered to actually read the case. Why am I not surprised?

Either Medicare and Medicaid are unconstitutional or they are not. Which is it?

 

[Parrish]

“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”

― Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence, 1746-1813

 

[Greenbeard]

Only if Congress gives the States a genuine choice whether they accept Congress' illegal law or not.

States don't need a "genuine choice" if they're not asked to implement anything. That's why Medicaid expansion fails under NFIB but Medicare expansion would not.

 

[ataraxia]

“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict
the art of healing to one class of Men and deny equal privileges to
others; the Constitution of the Republic should make a Special
privilege for medical freedoms as well as religious freedom.”

― Benjamin Rush 1746-1813

That's actually an amazingly prescient statement. Fascinating!

I met someone a few years with the last name of Rush who told me he was a descendant of the great doctor. Nice guy.

 

[vegas giants]

Yet another one who didn't bother reading the Supreme Court decision. Why is it the socialist fascists who wish to impose their totalitarian Marxist ideology on the rest of the nation never bother to actually read what the Supreme Court has to say on the subject? Are they that stupid not to know that the Supreme Court is the one that determines the constitutionality of a law? Or is it that they just don't care whether it is legal or not? As the history of socialist fascists have already repeatedly demonstrated since the days of Benito Mussolini, it is most likely the latter. It is already obvious that socialist fascists have absolutely no respect for the law.

The wickard decision allows congress broad powers over commerce. Healthcare is commerce

 

[danielpalos]

Yet another one who didn't bother reading the Supreme Court decision. Why is it the socialist fascists who wish to impose their totalitarian Marxist ideology on the rest of the nation never bother to actually read what the Supreme Court has to say on the subject? Are they that stupid not to know that the Supreme Court is the one that determines the constitutionality of a law? Or is it that they just don't care whether it is legal or not? As the history of socialist fascists have already repeatedly demonstrated since the days of Benito Mussolini, it is most likely the latter. It is already obvious that socialist fascists have absolutely no respect for the law.

dude; right wingers are all talk and no action. where are the better solutions at lower cost, not just excuses.

 

[Glitch]

dude; right wingers are all talk and no action. where are the better solutions at lower cost, not just excuses.

On the contrary. It was the action of 28 Republican-led States that had the Supreme Court overthrow Congress' illegal MedicAid expansion by a decision of 7 to 2. Try as you might, socialist fascists will never be able to nationalize healthcare in the US now. At least not how the US Constitution is currently written.

 

[danielpalos]

On the contrary. It was the action of 28 Republican-led States that had the Supreme Court overthrow Congress' illegal MedicAid expansion by a decision of 7 to 2. Try as you might, socialist fascists will never be able to nationalize healthcare in the US now. At least not how the US Constitution is currently written.

that is my Point. the right wing has Nothing but Repeal, not any Better Solutions at Lower Cost.

 

[Glitch]

that is my Point. the right wing has Nothing but Repeal, not any Better Solutions at Lower Cost.

That is because the right-wing actually have respect for the rule of law and more specifically the US Constitution. Unlike leftist freaks who continuously seek ways to deliberately violate the Supreme Law of the Land.

What the anti-American leftist scum are unable to grasp is that the federal government was never given the power to exert its authority over our healthcare and therefore is prohibited by the Tenth Amendment from making any attempt. That is a power reserved exclusively to the States and/or the people.

Unless you somehow manage to alter the US Constitution, or replace at least 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices, your socialist fascist attempts to nationalize healthcare have failed.