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Is healthcare a right?

Is access to healthcare a right?

  • Yes healthcare is a right

    Votes: 37 44.6%
  • No healthcare is not a right

    Votes: 46 55.4%

  • Total voters
    83
  • Poll closed .
Don't miss understand me unless your a medical expert I'm not expecting you be able to give me a specific answer. I'm raising the question of what level of care should someone be able to demand. Like if you 80 should you be able to demand the 25 yr hip replacement as opposed to the 10yrs model kinda stuff.

Another question I have, you brought up obesity, if the gov is paying for your healthcare does that give them the authority to regulate your diety. How much of our automy do we surrender when we make our health the gov responsibility to maintain?



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I've wondered that myself.

I think that ideally, instead of mandating certain dietary options as off-limits, it would be better to have a educational program to teach people about healthy eating practices.

The campaign against cigarettes might have some useful methods in it.
 
Don't miss understand me unless your a medical expert I'm not expecting you be able to give me a specific answer. I'm raising the question of what level of care should someone be able to demand. Like if you 80 should you be able to demand the 25 yr hip replacement as opposed to the 10yrs model kinda stuff.

Another question I have, you brought up obesity, if the gov is paying for your healthcare does that give them the authority to regulate your diety. How much of our automy do we surrender when we make our health the gov responsibility to maintain?



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We can use the Canadian model. And yes....Canadians eat cheeseburgers
 
The same way I can have a right to anything else. The government recognizes it as a right and takes steps to insure that right is protected.

What you have described is a privilege not a right.
 
We can use the Canadian model. And yes....Canadians eat cheeseburgers
Don't missunderstand me I'm just throwing questions out. I think honest and thoughtful discussion is called for.

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Not an explicit right - but you can justify it in terms of productivity

The government has no right to prevent you from seeking healthcare, but they also have no obligation to provide it.

It depends on how you think of healthcare. If you look @ the US stats for personal bankruptcy, what typically sends people over the edge is paying for catastrophic healthcare, their own or their loved one's. Granted, that access to health care per se is not spelled out as part of the social contract between US citizens & their government @ whatever level. But given the days of productivity lost to sickness, dental issues, childcare issues related to the child's health - I think it makes sense on a competitive basis (competing with other countries to be productive) to provide @ least access to basic healthcare - preventative annual checkups, dental checkups yearly, basic scans for BP, fat index, any serious changes, etc. Preventative health care is much cheaper & more effective than pulling out all the stops when the patient's condition(s) has progressed to the stage of a life-or-death struggle.

It's the same thinking that provides for free public education K-12, subsidizes community colleges & state universities, public libraries, museums, reduced rates to mail books, magazines, newspapers, parks, nature preserves, national forests, historic preservation, & etc. These measures are good for the community in the long run.
 
Question 1: Is access to healthcare an individual right?

Question 2: If access to healthcare is an individual right, does the government have to must provide a reasonable level of healthcare to its citizens if a citizen can not afford healthcare?

In Canada and lots of other places access to health care is considered a right ofcitizenship. The government makes sure every citizen has access to health care. What else is government good for?
 
Question 1: Is access to healthcare an individual right?

Question 2: If access to healthcare is an individual right, does the government have to must provide a reasonable level of healthcare to its citizens if a citizen can not afford healthcare?

Healthcare is a commodity and the commodity must be paid for otherwise it's theft.

I believe you should have the right to seek whatever Medical Care you wish to so long as you can afford it.
 
Healthcare is a commodity and the commodity must be paid for otherwise it's theft.

I believe you should have the right to seek whatever Medical Care you wish to so long as you can afford it.

Primary education, fire protection, police protection.....etc are all commodities
 
Re: Not an explicit right - but you can justify it in terms of productivity

It depends on how you think of healthcare. If you look @ the US stats for personal bankruptcy, what typically sends people over the edge is paying for catastrophic healthcare, their own or their loved one's.

I agree that those situations are tragic and reflect poorly on society. However, I disagree that taxing the rich to treat the poor is the best solution.

First, one must ask why people need to bankrupt themselves to purchase life-saving healthcare. Are they paying for a brand-new, cutting-edge treatment? If so, they have to face the fact that new technology is more expensive and takes a while to trickle down. On the other hand, if mainstream procedures are costing a fortune, that suggests something very wrong with the economics of the healthcare industry. For example, having too much red tape around drug development pushes up the cost, forcing big pharma to charge more to recover their investment; slashing non-essential regulations would lower the cost and therefore the market price.

Second, why aren't people donating their money freely, either from generosity or to maintain a good reputation? If a man in your church needed life-saving treatment, would you not all chip in to help him? But you probably wouldn't do the same for a stranger on the subway, right? The problem here is that humans evolved to live in small communities, where everybody knows each other and is connected by friendship and family. When we live in cities, we hardly know our neighbors and don't consider them our kin, which means we have no loyalty to them and owe them nothing.

I often give money or food to homeless people, because I can relate to their situation. That doesn't mean I'd be okay with them stealing ten bucks off me, let alone some bureaucrat stealing a hundred, passing it through eight other bureaucrats, and each of them clipping ten bucks off as their administration fee.

Granted, that access to health care per se is not spelled out as part of the social contract between US citizens & their government @ whatever level. But given the days of productivity lost to sickness, dental issues, childcare issues related to the child's health - I think it makes sense on a competitive basis (competing with other countries to be productive) to provide @ least access to basic healthcare - preventative annual checkups, dental checkups yearly, basic scans for BP, fat index, any serious changes, etc. Preventative health care is much cheaper & more effective than pulling out all the stops when the patient's condition(s) has progressed to the stage of a life-or-death struggle.

Why can't people just brush their teeth, eat less junk, and check for lumps every morning? And since most people are busy, how would they fit all those checkups into their schedules? If we waste time scanning everybody "just in case", we also have less resources available for those who genuinely need treatment - unless we ramp up the number of health professionals, but that would cost far more than the benefit we get from prevention.

It's the same thinking that provides for free public education K-12, subsidizes community colleges & state universities...

I see public education as a left-wing indoctrination machine, nothing more. It certainly doesn't teach any valuable life skills. Until that changes, I see no reason why it should exist. Universities are still the best way to learn STEM subjects, but otherwise just exist to rob thousands of dollars from aimless young people.
 
The first thing that comes to mind is - no one needs cosmetic surgery, except for reconstructive purposes after accident/medical procedure.
A gray area might be things like stomach stapling surgery or whatnot, since being overweight has negative long-term health effects. Not sure that's cosmetic anyway.
Another gray area might be sex reassignment surgery - my understanding is that not all people who consider themselves a different sex than their physical form decide to have such surgery, but there is an argument that it is necessary for mental health in other cases.

I think needed care must include preventative care, and life-saving care if the individual patient wants it.

I would argue that drugs like Viagra and generic versions of same (for both sexes) are not needed care, but contraceptives are needed care.

Why would you argue that contraceptives are needed care?
 
You pay for it in high taxes and government fees. You don't see it at point of use because you already paid it through your taxes. In essence you don't pay for what you use, you typically pay a lot more. Mind you that is what happens with insurance here in the US, but we at least....well used to....elect to obtain said insurance.

I know how it works. Just pointing out to JoG that I don't get bills. I also know rhat the anount I pay in tax is a hell of a lot less than you pay in insurance/deductables, etc. Then there's all the paperwork that you lot have to deal with, I don't have to deal with an insurance company or worry about pre-existing conditions or future costs.
 
Why would you argue that contraceptives are needed care?
Because without contraceptives, unwanted pregnancies are far more likely to occur.

Unwanted pregnancies are an unnecessary additional drain on the resources of this imaginary healthcare system I have here. Contraceptive availability and training far cheaper.
 
I live in the UK and have never received a medical bill from the NHS. It's free at the point of use.

That does not mean there is no bill. It goes to the taxman and so quite intransparently to you.
 
I voted no just before I realized you are asking three different questions.

1. Is healthcare a right? No. It's something you buy...or not. Your choice.

2. Is access to healthcare a right? No. Access to healthcare solely depends upon whether you can purchase it or not.

3. Must the government provide healthcare if a citizen cannot afford to buy it? No, but government can chose to provide it.

Survival of the fittest, uh? Cool. Can you guess what the number one reason is for bankruptcy? That's an economic domino effect on society. It cost everyone.
 
Question 1: Is access to healthcare an individual right?

Question 2: If access to healthcare is an individual right, does the government have to must provide a reasonable level of healthcare to its citizens if a citizen can not afford healthcare?


When the left calls something a right that is code for you and I pay for it. But yet the things that are actually rights I don't see the left demanding that the government buy guns, religious books, printing presses and other things for those too poor to afford them.
 
Because without contraceptives, unwanted pregnancies are far more likely to occur.

Unwanted pregnancies are an unnecessary additional drain on the resources of this imaginary healthcare system I have here. Contraceptive availability and training far cheaper.

Which has nothing to do with whether contraceptives are a right or a needed care. The question you are answering is the question of who should pay.
 
Survival of the fittest, uh? Cool. Can you guess what the number one reason is for bankruptcy? That's an economic domino effect on society. It cost everyone.

shrug...

Please don't raise any strawmen.
 
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