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Is gayness a birth defect?

Court Jester said:
Good point, and that depends of course on what one believes may or may not be in control of the nature. Random design, or intelligent design.
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Even if you go with intelligent design, that doesn't then automatically lead to all outcomes being planned. The variables and equations and such for the basic operations, including evolution, could have been put into place, and then step back and see what develops. And for the record, when I look at ID, I am not automatically equating it with religious type gods doing the design, as some do. I'm perfectly willing to dive in on theorizing on simulation or group of higher being scientists as the creators. Whether I believe it or not is also a separate issue.
 
Court Jester said:
How is nature benefited by it? Aberrant animal behavior serves no more purpose to nature any more than aberrant human behavior does.
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It's not about whether nature "benefits" or not. Nature doesn't care. It's about whether it benefits the population.
Court Jester said:
So, back to the original question: is it a defect to be abberant? In animals maybe it is? In humans capable of higher reason, couldn't it just be a choice?
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Sexual orientation is not a choice.
 
Court Jester said:
Good point, and that depends of course on what one believes may or may not be in control of the nature. Random design, or intelligent design.
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If you believe in intelligent design nature is still pretty random particularly if you're Christian you're taught to go against your sinful nature. Man,s nature is sin
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you believe in intelligent design nature is still pretty random particularly if you're Christian you're taught to go against your sinful nature. Man,s nature is sin
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Man's entire nature is fallen. So, on the topic of "sin", it is not my belief that one sin is worse than any other sin in the eyes of the creator.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you believe in intelligent design nature is still pretty random particularly if you're Christian you're taught to go against your sinful nature.
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One merely has to look at the fossil record, with its myriad freak show of fossils and some dead ends, clearly shows nature is anything but "designed." Randomness is the opposite of design.
 
Court Jester said:
Man's entire nature is fallen. So, on the topic of "sin", it is not my belief that one sin is worse than any other sin in the eyes of the creator.
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I was seeing how a nature doesn't follow intelligent design. At least not in a Christian sense
 
Gordy327 said:
One merely has to look at the fossil record, with its myriad freak show of fossils and some dead ends, clearly shows nature is anything but "designed." Randomness is the opposite of design.
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Well there's no evidence that there's any intelligence behind it that's for sure and you can't gather that by looking at it
 
CLAX1911 said:
Well there's no evidence that there's any intelligence behind it that's for sure and you can't gather that by looking at it
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Exactly. But for the sake of argument, if there were design, it's safe to say it's a bad design.
 
Gordy327 said:
Exactly. But for the sake of argument, if there were design, it's safe to say it's a bad design.
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I'm not sure I would say it's a bad design nature as a whole seems to be quite the survivor. If it was by design that would be a feature not a bug
 
Gordy327 said:
It's not about whether nature "benefits" or not. Nature doesn't care. It's about whether it benefits the population.
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Or... how it benefits a creator. Which is an answer that cannot be determined outside of theology.

I was merely giving MY answer to a person who asked me why I believed the way I do.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I didn't present my definition I don't have esoteric definitions.
Maybe it's because I don't desperately need to suggest everything
I disagree with is some sort of defect mental illness or brokenness.
I guess I'm just not that much of a snowflake.
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CLAX1911 said:
Social justice warrior kind of an old meme. Basically right wing version of woke. They're just as bad.
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Are you saying that SJW is used by the right to describe the left or applied to the right by the left? As the term is used, not in relation to the behavior, which I agree is on both side.
 
maquiscat said:
Are you saying that SJW is used by the right to describe the left or applied to the right by the left? As the term is used, not in relation to the behavior, which I agree is on both side.
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I personally have never seen any Lefty apply the term to any Rightie.
 
maquiscat said:
Are you saying that SJW is used by the right to describe the left or applied to the right by the left? As the term is used, not in relation to the behavior, which I agree is on both side.
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Both actually. It's not a left or right thing exist on both sides. They just have different words for them
 
The Baron said:
So you think the homosexual gene is "hiding" among heterosexuals.

Question: If homosexuality is genetic then wouldn't the heterosexual carrying the gene be homosexual?

This is the problem with the belief that homosexuality is genetic!!!
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We carry 1000's of dormant or recessive genes that are "masked" by dominant ones. You have no clue how genetics works and that is just one of your problems. You also seem to think you might be gay. Are you sexually attracted to other men?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Both actually. It's not a left or right thing exist on both sides. They just have different words for them
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Snowflake, I agree. But as @Ouroboros pointed out, I've never heard SJW applied to anyone from the right before.
 
maquiscat said:
Snowflake, I agree. But as @Ouroboros pointed out, I've never heard SJW applied to anyone from the right before.
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As I said it's kind of a dead meme. But I don't know what else to call it.

It's the same thing typically over different topics. Last month I saw a few videos by conservative snowflakes crying about ads that were targeted toward pride month. They were mega triggered and they were on a rampage about it. Most of them were commercials aired in Norway.
 
Roger Duke said:
If you were a professional horse breeder and your young stud that you had invested a small fortune in was only interested in attempting to breed other males, would you say it had a birth defect?
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maybe......or it could be the only mares around are actually into Foxes
 
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