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Is free will an illusion?

Is 'free will' an illsuion?

  • Of course

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • It's real

    Votes: 13 39.4%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • Total voters
    33
bomberfox said:
Maybe the duality isnt even needed in this debate. Hard determinism isnt something i think we can prove with a huge amount of certainty without a hefty amount of ad hockery. I take a soft deterministic approach.
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Can't we say that hard determinism exists in everything in this world with the exception of humans?
 
j brown's body said:
Can't we say that hard determinism exists in everything in this world with the exception of humans?
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I dont know if we can even say that without a major amount of ad hockery.
 
bomberfox said:
I dont know if we can even say that without a major amount of ad hockery.
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No clue what that means, but does anything in nature, besides humans, act with free will?
 
j brown's body said:
No clue what that means, but does anything in nature, besides humans, act with free will?
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I dont believe humans have libertarian free will nor does anything. I just dont believe in hard determinism either.
 
Elora said:
It does matter...Jehovah God wants us to love Him from our own free choice, because we understand that our Creator wants only what is best for us, not because He programs us to...
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Once again, an omniscient god negates the possibility of choice.
 
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Gordy327 said:
Once again, an omniscient god negates the possibility of choice.
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How so? Could not such a God set an environment for a species which enabled free choice?

(For what reason I cannot imagine)
 
noonereal said:
How so? Could not such a God set an environment for a species which enabled free choice?

(For what reason I cannot imagine)
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That's only possible if God was not omniscient.
 
noonereal said:
You have not explained your submission, you merely repeated it.
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I've explained how an omnipotent, Omniscient god negates the possibility of free will many times now. Those are necessary qualities to logically negate free will.
 
Gordy327 said:
I've explained how an omnipotent, Omniscient god negates the possibility of free will many times now. Those are necessary qualities to logically negate free will.
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Oh, you won't ansewer. Then stay out of my thread. Thanks.
 
noonereal said:
Oh, you won't ansewer. Then stay out of my thread. Thanks.
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I did answer but you simply don't get it. Here, I'll make it as simple as possible: omnipotent God sets everything in motion with full knowledge of how things will go and turn out. Therefore we are unable to choose or do anything to alter that. Everything is predetermined.
 
Isn't everything?
 
Gordy327 said:
If God is omnipotent and omniscient, then yes.
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He is so bored being all powerful that he has to forget and slum as a mortal to enjoy anything.
 
Gordy327 said:
I did answer but you simply don't get it. Here, I'll make it as simple as possible: omnipotent God sets everything in motion with full knowledge of how things will go and turn out. Therefore we are unable to choose or do anything to alter that. Everything is predetermined.
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This is a false premise. A God that is omnipotent could simply do carve out to keep himself purposely unaware.

Sorry, you fail.
 
noonereal said:
This is a false premise. A God that is omnipotent could simply do carve out to keep himself purposely unaware.

Sorry, you fail.
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Then God would not be omniscient, which makes free will possible.
 
Gordy327 said:
Then God would not be omniscient, which makes free will possible.
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Your logic is ****ed up.
You can know everything and not resource that knowledge if you choose.
 
noonereal said:
Your logic is ****ed up.
You can know everything and not resource that knowledge if you choose.
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If God knows everything, then God knows what will happen in advance. We are unable to alter that in any way.
 
noonereal said:
Your logic is ****ed up.
You can know everything and not resource that knowledge if you choose.
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I'll tell you what if ****ed up: God is omniscient, God knows everything before it happens. Yet, God loves you and only want the best for you, but if you f*** up you go to hell, now God knew before hand you would F-up and knew before hand that God is going to sent you to hell, I guess you could call that "not resourcing knowledge".
 
Terryj said:
I'll tell you what if ****ed up: God is omniscient, God knows everything before it happens. Yet, God loves you and only want the best for you, but if you f*** up you go to hell, now God knew before hand you would F-up and knew before hand that God is going to sent you to hell, I guess you could call that "not resourcing knowledge".
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Exactly. A God that seems surprised and disappointed when we mess up is rather odd if said God already knew we would mess up. The God of the Bible is a logical contradiction.
 
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