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Chavez is a dictator, they are homicide bombers,
Trajan Octavian Titus said:and his middle name is Hussein
Trajan Octavian Titus said:And I would say that any station that refers to them as suicide bombers or Chavez as a legitimate ruler leans to the left.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Are you asserting that Hannity is a better debater than Colmes? You're joking right?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:How many former Clinton cabinet members are on the payrolls of CNN and MSNBC?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:His outburst wasn't bizarre infact it was another example of how biased CNN is, why do you think he got pissed?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Buchanan's a paleo-con.
and yet you still point to it as fact.TOT said:We already debated that one but sure thing...
LOL! you sound bitter. I'll debate this too! has TOT *EVER* had an original idea? TOT, you tell us what it was. and we'll see if it wasn't something that one of your heroes already said. LOL!TOT said:...maybe this time you can use some of your own thoughts rather than a copy paste job like the last debate we had.
Is Fox News biased? who cares? Let's appease TOT as he goes on quite the offensive rampage, making dozens of posts, bringing up all the standard "liberal media" talking points.TOT said:Yes yes, the fact that majority of reporters are liberals has nothing to do with how they report the news.
I don't disagree, but they shouldn't use those terms in their news coverage as though there was no controversy about them whatsoever.
What possible reason do they have for CONSTANTLY using his middle name in their news feed? I don't know of any other politician who they regularly do this for. What a coincidence that they do it to the one guy who has a Middle Eastern sounding name. I'm sure there's no bias there. :roll:
"Suicide bomber" was the standard term until the White House started using "homicide bomber." Using the standard term does not imply that it isn't a homicide.
Similarly, referring to Chavez as "Venezuelan President" instead of "Venezuelan Dictator" does not confer legitimacy. "President" is simply his title and is a neutral term. Saddam Hussein was a president, Vladimir Putin is a president, etc. That doesn't mean that they're freedom-loving democrats. Using the term "dictator" on their news coverage to describe Chavez is silly. Of course he's a dictator, but the fact is that there is controversy about this, so they shouldn't state it as fact.
He's certainly louder and more assertive. He talks almost twice as much as Colmes does.
What's your point? Those stations always try to get an opposing view as well, from an equally skilled debater. Carville and Novak, Begala and Carlson, etc.
I have no idea. Carville was just being Carville. Novak should have been used to it by now.
Umm no ****. This is relevant how?
I don't know...never watched it...don't ever intend to.
and yet you still point to it as fact.
Every time there is a news story about Obama (whether real or fabricated), FOX always prints his name on the news feed as "Barack Hussein Obama." In addition, they regularly refer to "homicide bombings" in Israel, and "Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez" as though there was no controversy whatsoever about those labels. Whether or not you agree that they're accurate labels, they were obviously chosen to push a specific political agenda.
While it's true that many news sources have biases, most of them don't intentionally distort the news to fit those biases. You don't ever see the Wall Street Journal trying to smear Democrats, or the New York Times trying to smear Republicans. CNN and MSNBC almost always include a conservative perspective in their news analysis...FOX only has one liberal, and he's just a foil for Sean Hannity.
With that said, FOX is still much more accurate than some of the crap you can read online.
In a survey conducted by the American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1997, 61% of reporters stated that they were members of or shared the beliefs of the Democratic. Only 15% say their beliefs were best represented by the Republican. A survey by the PEW research center and Project for Excellence in Journalism in 2004 found 34% of journalists describing themselves as liberal, 54% as moderate, and 7% as conservative.
Media bias in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Liberal is not the same as leftist, just so you know it.
What is wrong with calling Hugo Chavez "Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez" (Though I don't remember Fox News calling him a dictator).
Is it the same as left-wing?
Liberal is not the same as leftist, just so you know it.
Yes, No or I don't know. Very simple. State why for the first too.
conserv.pat15 said:I have never seen or heard Fox News call Obama "Barack Hussein Obama."
conserv.pat15 said:I don't remember Fox News calling him a dictator.
conserv.pat15 said:The New York Times definately shows more bias than Fox News.
conserv.pat15 said:Also, CNN and MSNBC ... often phrase stories with a liberal bias through their commentators ....
typical argument for you, TOT.TOT said:That's because your assertion was bullshit.
(Chavez was elected).
Please, please, please, put your money where your mouth is! Debate me on this. I've already set it up. You can stand in for Cold Dirt. I can't understand how or why rightwingers will make statements like this, but then dodge a full-out one-on-one debate about it. Well, wait, ... on second thought, I think I can understand it.
It's said to be very biased toward the Right.
This is more or less common knowledge.
But I don't know, because i don't listen to it.
It's weird that Fox evolved that way, because when it first came out (when I was a kid, probably before you were born) it was considered to be an "alternative" to the 3 big networks, and was considered rather edgy and outre, with it's prime time line-up of things like "Married With Children" and "The Simpsons".
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
That is his middle name, so of course every network is going to have SOME mention of it. The point is that FOX just can't let his name go by on the news feed without referring to him as Hussein. They just can't resist.
Congrats TOT, you didn't refute the fact that Fox has referred to him as such. And you just have demonstrated the same righty bias at CNN.Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Congrats again TOT, you didn't refute the fact that Fox has referred to him as such. And you just have demonstrated the same righty bias at CNN.Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Your penchant for irrelevant relativistic non argument red herrings is rather tiresome.TOT said:So was Hitler.
That's right, they absolutely do.TOT said:lmfao, your proof boils down to the fact that Fox has more news analysis than the NYT's.
yes, obviously, and I accounted for that, acknowledged it, etc.TOT said:well first of all the NYT's is a newspaper while Fox has to fill 24 hours,
example? So let's count the percentages of opinion versus news on any single day. game?TOT said:...and second the NYT's editorials appear on the front page these days.
Other than when it first became known I can't recall anywhere on FOX where it has been mentioned. What are you talking about?
LOL! Now Stinger's recollection ability becomes the issue.Stinger said:Other than when it first became known I can't recall anywhere on FOX where it has been mentioned. What are you talking about?
Congrats TOT, you didn't refute the fact that Fox has referred to him as such. And you just have demonstrated the same righty bias at CNN.
Congrats again TOT, you didn't refute the fact that Fox has referred to him as such. And you just have demonstrated the same righty bias at CNN.
Your penchant for irrelevant relativistic non argument red herrings is rather tiresome.
My response:
Hitler is not Chavez.
That's right, they absolutely do.
I'd be happy to take your debate to the private debate. Stand in for Cold Dirt, TOT. Make it count. Spell out your case in full. Make it clear you have no idea what you're talking about, or getting in to. yes, obviously, and I accounted for that, acknowledged it, etc. example? So let's count the percentages of opinion versus news on any single day. game?
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