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Is declining American patriotism a good thing?

Is declining American patriotism a good thing?

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Ahlevah said:
"Extremely proud" is nothing more than an affirmation of extreme love, and love in this case is a good thing.
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Unfortunately, people are often blinded by love.
 
VanceMack said:
Declining Patriotism is a horrible thing. At some point it may weaken us to the point that the freedoms and opportunity put in place 240 years ago become threatened.
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Nazi Germany had a ton of nation pride. What happened to their freedoms?
 
Geoist said:
Nazi Germany had a ton of nation pride. What happened to their freedoms?
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We arent Nazi Germany and thats a stupid comment you just made. Not unexpected...but stupid nonetheless. So...in other words...its just another day that ends in Y.
 
coldjoint said:
For someone to say what Calley did was patriotic shows they do not understand what patriotism is, and think they are cute. Put the ego to bed.
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Crap. My mistake - I thought he was the one who exposed the massacre, not the one who committed it. The one I meant was Ronald Ridenhour. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Have you ever been a whistleblower? I have, and I paid the price - I doggone near lost my military career because of it, and count myself lucky that I was able to retire. But you know what? After I transferred to a different command, one of the officers who'd known what happened approached me and said I'd saved quite a few lives by my actions.

Whistleblowers are not always right - Snowden needs to be in jail for the rest of his life, and Bradley/Chesea Manning deserves a lengthy jail sentence too (not because of the video he/she exposed, but because of the quarter-million diplomatic cables that he/she exposed (which HAD to cause much more damage than the government had admitted)).

But again, the factors I listed previously (worldwide media/internet, greatly-increased education and literacy rates (for populations as a whole), and increased tolerance for diversity) are what are mostly responsible for the decline in patriotism...and so you need to ask yourself which is more important: having those three factors, or the kind of patriotism that you seem to want...because you can't have both.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Crap. My mistake - I thought he was the one who exposed the massacre, not the one who committed it. The one I meant was Ronald Ridenhour. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Have you ever been a whistleblower? I have, and I paid the price - I doggone near lost my military career because of it, and count myself lucky that I was able to retire. But you know what? After I transferred to a different command, one of the officers who'd known what happened approached me and said I'd saved quite a few lives by my actions.

Whistleblowers are not always right - Snowden needs to be in jail for the rest of his life, and Bradley/Chesea Manning deserves a lengthy jail sentence too (not because of the video he/she exposed, but because of the quarter-million diplomatic cables that he/she exposed (which HAD to cause much more damage than the government had admitted)).

But again, the factors I listed previously (worldwide media/internet, greatly-increased education and literacy rates (for populations as a whole), and increased tolerance for diversity) are what are mostly responsible for the decline in patriotism...and so you need to ask yourself which is more important: having those three factors, or the kind of patriotism that you seem to want...because you can't have both.
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When have I ever said what kind of patriotism I wanted? This not a book you are writing. My opinion is not determed by your imagination.
 
Ahlevah said:
A new Gallup poll just came out with what I thought were some troubling conclusions:



Let's get rid of the 4th of July then except for old conservatives. It will be just another work day for liberal Millennials. ;)
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It depends on why and what replaces it.

If people are no longer proud to be American because they see a lot of problems, and they use that as incentive to go out and try to fix those problems, that's a good thing.

But if people are no longer proud to be American because they've just become apathetic and don't care any more, that's a bad thing.
 
VanceMack said:
We arent Nazi and thats a stupid comment you just made. Not unexpected...but stupid nonetheless. So...in other words...its just another day that ends in Y.
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I never said we are Nazi Germany. You claimed lack of nation pride weakens freedoms. I gave an example of just the opposite happening.
 
Geoist said:
I never said we are Nazi Germany. You claimed lack of nation pride weakens freedoms. I gave an example of just the opposite happening.
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You made a stupid comment. Nothing more..certainly nothing less.
 
VanceMack said:
You made a stupid comment. Nothing more..certainly nothing less.
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That is your opinion. Imo, it was 100% true and 100% relevant. I think you just don't like that I brought up a fact that counters your b.s. claim that nation pride always leads to "more freedom."

I'll give another example of nation pride weakening freedoms: Every warring nation during WWI (although one could argue nation pride leads to almost every war and pretty much every war weakens freedoms).
 
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