Is 'Debate Politics' fair & balanced?

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Close, real close. Three out of five isn't bad.

Don't tell me you voted for Dukakis.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

LOL. You need better sources. You are wrong! :shock:

Umm no I'm not.

 

[Mikkel]

A) You didn't prove anything you listed a series of opinions without any empirical evidence to back them up.
B) Your claim that everyone is biased is a biased claim in and of itself, have you met everyone?
C) I don't claim that others are biased I simply know from personel experience.

Oh, I forgot to add, when you can't do either of the other two, you raise the standards of proof to a near scientific level (which means it is impossible to 'prove' anything, ie, requiring that I have met everyone before saying that everyone is biased, which is a psychological truth). Thereby whenever you make a statement, you make the claim that no one has ever 'proved' you wrong by these standards, when in reality, you cannot 'prove' 99% of the claims you've made (by this standard), nor could YOU ever prove anyone wrong, thereby creating a double standard: :spin:

"I don't claim that others are biased I simply know from personel experience."

You should really use this as a pick-up line. I heard arrogance plays really well with the chicks.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Oh, I forgot to add, when you can't do either of the other two, you raise the standards of proof to a near scientific level (which means it is impossible to 'prove' anything, ie, requiring that I have met everyone before saying that everyone is biased, which is a psychological truth). Thereby whenever you make a statement, you make the claim that no one has ever 'proved' you wrong by these standards, when in reality, you cannot 'prove' 99% of the claims you've made (by this standard), nor could YOU ever prove anyone wrong, thereby creating a double standard: :spin:

"I don't claim that others are biased I simply know from personel experience."

You should really use this as a pick-up line. I heard arrogance plays really well with the chicks.

Not a near scientific level A scientific level, it's called political science not political opinion. I always provide empirical evidence to back my assertions.

 

[Mikkel]

Not a near scientific level A scientific level, it's called political science not political opinion.

"Here's a definition of what it means to prove something: "Proof is arriving at a logical conclusion, based on the available evidence." Notice that this has absolutely nothing to do with being right or wrong. It also has nothing to do with science either, since you can have logical conclusions in Social Studies, English, or any other subject."

http://www.carlton.paschools.pa.sk.ca/chemical/Proof/default.htm

Nothing in science can be proven. That's the fundamentals of it.

"Scientists never claim absolute knowledge. Unlike a mathematical proof, a proven scientific theory is always open to falsification, if new evidence is presented. Even the most basic and fundamental theories may turn out to be imperfect if new observations are inconsistent with them."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

So you are asking for scientific proof, which is impossible. So saying that no one has ever proven you wrong is accurate, but likewise, scientifically impossible and therefore utterly unimpressive. As a result, I'm happy to announce that I've never been proven wrong, nor has anyone on this entire forum. Congratulations everyone.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

"Here's a definition of what it means to prove something: "Proof is arriving at a logical conclusion, based on the available evidence." Notice that this has absolutely nothing to do with being right or wrong. It also has nothing to do with science either, since you can have logical conclusions in Social Studies, English, or any other subject."

http://www.carlton.paschools.pa.sk.ca/chemical/Proof/default.htm

Nothing in science can be proven. That's the fundamentals of it.

"Scientists never claim absolute knowledge. Unlike a mathematical proof, a proven scientific theory is always open to falsification, if new evidence is presented. Even the most basic and fundamental theories may turn out to be imperfect if new observations are inconsistent with them."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

So you are asking for scientific proof, which is impossible. So saying that no one has ever proven you wrong is accurate, but likewise, scientifically impossible and therefore utterly unimpressive. As a result, I'm happy to announce that I've never been proven wrong, nor has anyone on this entire forum. Congratulations everyone.

No actually proving someones theory wrong is very possible all it would entail is providing the evidence which would falisfy their conclusion. Hence I am right until you prove me wrong but you are wrong because I have falsified your conclusion.

 

[Mikkel]

No actually proving someones theory wrong is very possible all it would entail is providing the evidence which would falisfy their conclusion. Hence I am right until you prove me wrong but you are wrong because I have falsified your conclusion.

"Proof and truth: proving something does not make it true. It just means that you have convinced other people that the evidence supports your conclusion. There are many examples in law of people who have been "proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" who were not guilty at all. And most of us probably suspect that there are guilty people who get off."

So if proof means that you have convinced other people that the evidence supports your conclusion, how have you never convinced ayone of anything on these forums?

It's all relative man. Saying something doesn't make it true, and proving it doesn't make it true. You're living your life in a world of concretes when relativism engulfs it all. Even your ego.

Goodnight:mrgreen:

 

[cnredd]

Ok...Here's the scoopy-scoop...

Here are the current stats...

126 members SAY they are Conservative in some form...
103 members SAY they are Liberal in some form...

Here are the Mods...right across the board...

These are ONLY numbers...many conclusions can be drawn from them...

Here's some food for thought...

MODERATORS - The Moderation Team (which includes yours truly), takes itself very seriously. We are in this thing free of charge, and our only motivation is maintaining the integrity of this site. These "gawdlike powers" are not given to those the Moderation Team believes will use them for personal reasons.

In the Forum Rules, it clearly states that the Moderators are held to a higher standard, and that is the truest statement you'll find on this website. The Moderation Team has been purposely divided across all political spectrums. All actions taken by the Moderation Team are documented. Everything. If you notice a Moderator using the red "Mod mode" quotations, what is written will be shown verbatim to all members of the Moderation Team along with the reasons why the action was taken.

We’ve been accused of "far-left" leaning and "far-right" leaning. And it tells you more about the person mentioning it publicly than the Moderation Team itself. And if you find yourself "entangled" with a Moderator, by all means, report it. A third party is only a "report click" away. But PLEASE keep in mind that if the Moderator not involved in the actual discussion feels that the Moderator involved has done nothing wrong, it is NOT an indictment of you nor should it be taken personally.

One point that must be noted...Moderators, when not conducting "official business", are just the same as any other member. We have emotions and interests in certain topics just like anyone else. There shouldn't be any intimidating feeling because you have a disagreement with a Moderator, but just the same, you shouldn't think that you need to call a Moderator out when it comes to abusing power just because they may disagree with you. It just doesn't happen. They (including myself) would be thrown out of here before they knew what hit them.

The accusations of "right" or "left" leaning brings a chuckle to the Mods...

I guess there's nothing easier when acting like a moron than to break out the "victim card"...:shrug:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

"Proof and truth: proving something does not make it true. It just means that you have convinced other people that the evidence supports your conclusion. There are many examples in law of people who have been "proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" who were not guilty at all. And most of us probably suspect that there are guilty people who get off."

So if proof means that you have convinced other people that the evidence supports your conclusion, how have you never convinced ayone of anything on these forums?

It's all relative man. Saying something doesn't make it true, and proving it doesn't make it true. You're living your life in a world of concretes when relativism engulfs it all. Even your ego.

Goodnight:mrgreen:

Law does not use the scientific method to prove its conclusion political scientists on the other hand use the scientific method to back their assertions, I grant you no points, case dismissed.

 

[Saboteur]

No need to go into a long winded answer, unless you feel the need to vent; a simple yes or no will suffice.

I don't know if this site is fair and balanced or not. But it sure is more interesting to talk to people who don't share the same views as I do than it is to sit around with a bunch of like minded individuals and agree with each other.

So I guess I hope there is a balance of some sort.

Fair? I dunno.

 

[earthworm]

To quote AlbqOwl .....I like that members are allowed to use adult words and be adults here. I wish that those who can't seem to post anything other than attacks on other members would be banished to the basement more.
Define "adult words"..
BTW, four letter words are NOT adult..
Those who delight in "attacking" post should be banned.

And the only other criticism that I have is that I would like for signature lines to be restricted to a width that did not stretch the page. It is mega annoying to turn a page and have to adjust the screen to make it fit.

Agree 100% - another reason for banning, usually this is unintentional, but still ignorant..

Another improvement would be cleaning up the posts, no more multi-line avatars and signatures, this is now out of hand..

A good moderator is needed..

 

[Gardener]

Ok...Here's the scoopy-scoop...

Here are the current stats...

126 members SAY they are Conservative in some form...
103 members SAY they are Liberal in some form...

Here are the Mods...right across the board...

These are ONLY numbers...many conclusions can be drawn from them...

Here's some food for thought...



The accusations of "right" or "left" leaning brings a chuckle to the Mods...

I guess there's nothing easier when acting like a moron than to break out the "victim card"...:shrug:

In the ongoing disputes between the anarcho syndicalists and the neo feudalists, I have noticed a slight dispensation towards favoring the latter which can only be explained by the mods having reacted favorably to the large suitcases full of cash directed their way. I am prepared to ball my chubby little fingers into a fist and go drama queen on your ass if you do not rectify this situation immediately.

I dunno -- I think it's all well and good to have little boxes that say "liberal" and "conservative" for people to check, but I'd like to see one that says "I choose to think with other people's brains".

Go Counterpunch! Go Colter! Go Chomsky! Go Savage!

 

[Mikkel]

Law does not use the scientific method to prove its conclusion political scientists on the other hand use the scientific method to back their assertions, I grant you no points, case dismissed.

You don't know how little I care about getting points from you.

 

[Pacridge]

Actually I said I was always right even when I'm wrong.

Irony - Irony is a form of speech in which the real meaning is concealed or contradicted by the words used. Irony involves the perception that things are not what they are said to be or what they seem.

I got the irony when you said this:


I'm always right even when I'm wrong.

Not so much when you said:

But seriously no one here has ever proven me wrong, some might come out in agreement that I'm wrong but that's only because they look at the issues from a subjective rather than an objective approach. They've been raised up in a country so emmersed in left leaning propaganda from the education system to the media that when they hear the truth it frightens them and they automatically reject it as biased when it is in fact they who are biased.


BS- BS is when a person...

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I got the irony when you said this:


I'm always right even when I'm wrong.

Not so much when you said:

But seriously no one here has ever proven me wrong, some might come out in agreement that I'm wrong but that's only because they look at the issues from a subjective rather than an objective approach. They've been raised up in a country so emmersed in left leaning propaganda from the education system to the media that when they hear the truth it frightens them and they automatically reject it as biased when it is in fact they who are biased.


BS- BS is when a person...

My point still stands no one here has ever proven me wrong.

 

[The Real McCoy]

DP is by far the most fair & balanced political debate forum I've come accross. Seems that even the number of people saying it isn't balanced (to the left or right) balance out.

I'd also like to thank the moderators for the time and effort they put in to make this site what it is.

 

[Plain old me]

Seems balanced to me...numbers of conservatives vs liberals may differ, but i think their are enough on both sides to ensure debate is not one sided...plus the moderators seem to moderate people equally irrespective of political swing. So my vote is yes.

 

[steen]

Umm no I'm not.

Umm, yes you are.
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1047.htm
http://www.gfmer.ch/Books/Reproductive_health/Mole.html

 

[steen]

My point still stands no one here has ever proven me wrong.

I just did. :2razz:

 

[Pacridge]

Ok...Here's the scoopy-scoop...

Here are the current stats...

126 members SAY they are Conservative in some form...
103 members SAY they are Liberal in some form...

Here are the Mods...right across the board...

These are ONLY numbers...many conclusions can be drawn from them...

Here's some food for thought...



The accusations of "right" or "left" leaning brings a chuckle to the Mods...

I guess there's nothing easier when acting like a moron than to break out the "victim card"...:shrug:

And 138 of our members are "undisclosed" I suppose there's no way of knowing which way they lean. Personally, and I have no way of checking this, I feel there are more "undisclosed" leaning left then right. I believe I'm listed as undisclosed, I certainly lean left these days. What's that mean? I have no idea.

The topic at hand is whether or not the site is fair. Personally I think it is, but my view might be tainted since I'm a Mod. But I do know in the past month or so I've been accused of being both liberally biased and conservatively biased. Which leads me to believe you're right, pulling the victim card is an easy cop out.

 

[jfuh]

Speak for yourself, I back my sh!t up with facts. That's how I roll, I had my political theory teacher explain it to me like this once, just because the facts don't speak well for your side of the argument doesn't mean that they're biased just that you're wrong.

You do? what of your "facts" of the "hoax" of Global warming being created by "left wing nut heads"?
You had no evidence whatsoever and then changed your argument to being "mainstream science not easily swayed".
Just because you may "back your 'sh!t' up" hardly signifies that they are credible sources.

 

[jfuh]

But seriously no one here has ever proven me wrong, some might come out in agreement that I'm wrong but that's only because they look at the issues from a subjective rather than an objective approach. They've been raised up in a country so emmersed in left leaning propaganda from the education system to the media that when they hear the truth it frightens them and they automatically reject it as biased when it is in fact they who are biased.

:2funny:
I'm sure that many here will agree with me when I say, bullshit! You've plenty been proved wrong, what you've stated is simply arrogance. You've put yourself on such a high pedastoll and are un-willing to accept facts that oppose your stance that you think you've never been prooven wrong.

 

[LeftyHenry]

My point still stands no one here has ever proven me wrong.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


a typical arguement with TOT will involve TOT stating some total bullshit like Fascism is the same as socialism:lol: and then some one correcting him. He'll then ignore the rebuttle and state the same thing as he did before with different words. The debator will then try again. TOT will ignore him again (maybe if you're lucky he'll try to back up his BS with more BS). The debator will try again until he gives up because he realizes he's talking to a wall, and TOT claims victory.

 

[Vandeervecken]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
a typical arguement with TOT will involve TOT stating some total bullshit like Fascism is the same as socialism:lol: and then some one correcting him. He'll then ignore the rebuttle and state the same thing as he did before with different words. The debator will then try again. TOT will ignore him again (maybe if you're lucky he'll try to back up his BS with more BS). The debator will try again until he gives up because he realizes he's talking to a wall, and TOT claims victory.

Dead on the 10X

 

[jfuh]

:lol: :lol: :lol:


a typical arguement with TOT will involve TOT stating some total bullshit like Fascism is the same as socialism:lol: and then some one correcting him. He'll then ignore the rebuttle and state the same thing as he did before with different words. The debator will then try again. TOT will ignore him again (maybe if you're lucky he'll try to back up his BS with more BS). The debator will try again until he gives up because he realizes he's talking to a wall, and TOT claims victory.

Sounds very familiar..... hmmm where have I seen that before?