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Is Cyberbullying real?

Is Cyberbullying Really That Serious of a Thing?

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So apparently a trans-gender game modder killer him/herself by jumping off a bridge due to people urging him/her to do so thinking that it was all a big ploy to get more attention to their mods. I honestly rolled my eyes at it. It's always bad when someone dies, commits suicide but c'mon. Really? I think my crude sentiment can be best summed up by Tyler the Creator's Tweet:

Hahahahahahahaha How The **** Is Cyber Bullying Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha
Sure that is really crude but the guy is straight to the point. It's ridiculous. Your weapon against it is the on/off switch on the back of the computer. The sleep/wake button on top of the iPhone. So not really a political thing, just think it's one of those made up white people problems we have nowadays that end up becoming a thing bigger than it really needs to be. So thoughts?
 

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So apparently a trans-gender game modder killer him/herself by jumping off a bridge due to people urging him/her to do so thinking that it was all a big ploy to get more attention to their mods. I honestly rolled my eyes at it. It's always bad when someone dies, commits suicide but c'mon. Really? I think my crude sentiment can be best summed up by Tyler the Creator's Tweet:



Sure that is really crude but the guy is straight to the point. It's ridiculous. Your weapon against it is the on/off switch on the back of the computer. The sleep/wake button on top of the iPhone. So not really a political thing, just think it's one of those made up white people problems we have nowadays that end up becoming a thing bigger than it really needs to be. So thoughts?
Made up white people problems? No, I don't think so. Kids today have so many other issues to deal with than we do, and this is one of them. The internet is a constant, whether you turn off your computer or not. There are still going to be people making fun of you, whether you are there to see it or not. And when you get to school the next day, the harassment continues. Why should the bullied student be forced to stay off the internet? It's like blaming the victim. Personally, I think more parents should watch what their kids do, and who they do it to. Maybe then this "made up white people problem" will go away. :roll:
 

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If you meet someone on the street and they say, 'you're fat', or 'you're ugly,' or 'you're a fag', and then you walk away from them, does that erase the memory of their words and the reminder of the social stigmas that some people may face, real or not?

When you turn off the computer or walk away...you are still who you are...and now you face the world where you may believe that that is all other people see when they meet you.
 

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Although I'd been a victim of cyber bullying in only the most miniscule way myself once before, apparently it can reach levels of toxicity that are simply mind boggling.

On Christmas Eve 2007, during the winter break of her junior year, Chen discovered that an ex-boyfriend had posted intimate photos of her on the Internet. This practice now has a name: revenge porn. Back then, it was simply called scandalous.

Chen wasn’t just an anonymous student. As a freshman at Harvard, she started a blog called Sex and the Ivy, where she wrote about her hookups, self-medication with alcohol, recovery from an eating disorder and crushing desire to be liked. All standard stuff for a college student.

Chen didn’t think it was such a big deal. She didn’t appreciate the fact that she was a teenage girl, talking about sex, while attending Harvard. Her blog set the Ivy League on fire, drawing the attention of national media. Her public journaling took on new gusto. She was majoring in sociology and steeped in gender theory; she thought she was living her politics by offering an uncensored female take on sex.

But that winter day, she became a minor celebrity with naked photos on the Internet. For some, this was righteous comeuppance for the campus harlot. For others it was just great gossip. Classmates and other titillated parties reposted the images around the Web, and comment threads exploded with colorful debate.
Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen | Al Jazeera America
 

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If you meet someone on the street and they say, 'you're fat', or 'you're ugly,' or 'you're a fag', and then you walk away from them, does that erase the memory of their words and the reminder of the social stigmas that some people may face, real or not?

When you turn off the computer or walk away...you are still who you are...and now you face the world where you may believe that that is all other people see when they meet you.
I was given a very useful piece of advise back in the day. Due to my PTSD during and from my childhood abuse, I wasn't much liked and got verbally assaulted from time to time, additionally I had all my parents verbal assaults running around in my head. Anyway the advise she gave me was this...

If a crazy drunk guy came up to you and told you that your eyes were neon purple, would you believe him? No, you wouldn't. You know it's a lie. So when people lie about you, regardless of family or schoolmate, just remember that if a crazy drunk can't make you believe a lie, neither should you allow anyone else.

Quite literally now when people start commenting in a way that's clearly a misrepresentation of who I am, my first thought is "purple eyes," and it doesn't effect me as much. Now if a person is a friend or family member who is doing thusly often, then they simply are no longer part of my life. I see no point in having people who trash others around me or my loved ones, nor people that don't know when it's no longer funny. You know the type, says something just really crappy and then says, "aw, can't you take a joke."

Anyway, cyberbullying is real. But I believe instead of making the bullies the focus of our response, we need to find a way to empower kids to resist the effects of bullying. Disempower them arseholes, kind of like I did today actually, disempowering that cop by refusing to play his game at all.
 

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No it isn't real.
Honestly I think as social media advances in the future medical professionals are going to have to be given the power to have courts remove internet access for certain individuals for their own safety.





What is real is medically-speaking mentally and or emotionally unstable individuals who suffer from ailments such as ADHD, Medical forms of stress tension, paranoia and other mental health issues then hop on the internet and go into the worst possible places they can, social media, forums, facebook, youtube, skype and they proceed to essentially do the exact opposite of what their doctor said never to do. Then they have massive mental health attacks (No surprise) and instead of pulling the plug of their PC/turning off their phone they start making videos and other social media posts about how "Bad the world is to them" and surprise surprise the world doesn't take kindly to being called "Bad" by some person who's dealing with serious medical health issues mentally speaking.
 

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I was given a very useful piece of advise back in the day. Due to my PTSD during and from my childhood abuse, I wasn't much liked and got verbally assaulted from time to time, additionally I had all my parents verbal assaults running around in my head. Anyway the advise she gave me was this...

If a crazy drunk guy came up to you and told you that your eyes were neon purple, would you believe him? No, you wouldn't. You know it's a lie. So when people lie about you, regardless of family or schoolmate, just remember that if a crazy drunk can't make you believe a lie, neither should you allow anyone else.

Quite literally now when people start commenting in a way that's clearly a misrepresentation of who I am, my first thought is "purple eyes," and it doesn't effect me as much. Now if a person is a friend or family member who is doing thusly often, then they simply are no longer part of my life. I see no point in having people who trash others around me or my loved ones, nor people that don't know when it's no longer funny. You know the type, says something just really crappy and then says, "aw, can't you take a joke."

Anyway, cyberbullying is real. But I believe instead of making the bullies the focus of our response, we need to find a way to empower kids to resist the effects of bullying. Disempower them arseholes, kind of like I did today actually, disempowering that cop by refusing to play his game at all.
I'm really glad that you found something that works for you and that gives you peace.
 

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Here is my thing, I've dealt with depression, etc etc, my brother for example got bullied in High School for coming out as gay but he loves, just simply loves PC games. When he gets into a tussle with someone online, in say a forum you know what he does? This is crazy guys check this out...you got a ignore/block option! The internet is an amazing thing! The whole meeting a guy in the street thing I think that's a totally different deal. My brother he is a sensitive guy, he "dealt" with "cyber bullying" before and all it takes is 2 clicks and poof it's all gone!
 

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Here is my thing, I've dealt with depression, etc etc, my brother for example got bullied in High School for coming out as gay but he loves, just simply loves PC games. When he gets into a tussle with someone online, in say a forum you know what he does? This is crazy guys check this out...you got a ignore/block option! The internet is an amazing thing! The whole meeting a guy in the street thing I think that's a totally different deal. My brother he is a sensitive guy, he "dealt" with "cyber bullying" before and all it takes is 2 clicks and poof it's all gone!
Really? He's forgotten all about it and doesnt think that perhaps, such insults are shared out in society?
 

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Here is my thing, I've dealt with depression, etc etc, my brother for example got bullied in High School for coming out as gay but he loves, just simply loves PC games. When he gets into a tussle with someone online, in say a forum you know what he does? This is crazy guys check this out...you got a ignore/block option! The internet is an amazing thing! The whole meeting a guy in the street thing I think that's a totally different deal. My brother he is a sensitive guy, he "dealt" with "cyber bullying" before and all it takes is 2 clicks and poof it's all gone!
OK that's 1.

What about the other countless people who aren't as mentally healthy? Kids are jumping off of water towers over this. They are shooting up schools over this. I don't think it should be discounted.
 

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Really? He's forgotten all about it and doesnt think that perhaps, such insults are shared out in society?
Well here is what I think, when I was growing up I was taught 2 things either turn the other cheek and ignore the person because they probably got more problems than you, or if it persist just beat the hell out of them. Not the best way to deal with things sure, but it gets the message across. My brother has dealt with bullying on a very real, unavoidable level by going to school. He had no choice but to go to school, until my mom took him out and he got his GED. He also is not like me, he can't really fight back against it. But he also is smart enough to realize that the internet is something you can entirely avoid with no repercussions, or certain parts of it at least.

In the case of revenge porn I'm not sure that's really cyberbullying. I think that's more like you did something dumb and you live with it or you don't. That's your choice. Hey, when I graduated high school we had a big ole party had some liquor, I whipped my dick out in front of everybody, broke like 3 tables and chairs by stumbling into them like Peter Griffin and threw up all over a living room. Yeah that was a really silly stupid moment in my life, got teased about it for literally years after but I didn't let that define me. If you let single isolated things define you like that then maybe you should seek professional help.
 

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OK that's 1.

What about the other countless people who aren't as mentally healthy? Kids are jumping off of water towers over this. They are shooting up schools over this. I don't think it should be discounted.

Weak parents, weak kids. Like I said. White. People. Problems.
 

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OK. Hope that if you ever have children who are bullied, you don't take this stance with them.
It's "blame the victim" time. "White" victims, apparently.
 

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Here is my thing, I've dealt with depression, etc etc, my brother for example got bullied in High School for coming out as gay but he loves, just simply loves PC games. When he gets into a tussle with someone online, in say a forum you know what he does? This is crazy guys check this out...you got a ignore/block option! The internet is an amazing thing! The whole meeting a guy in the street thing I think that's a totally different deal. My brother he is a sensitive guy, he "dealt" with "cyber bullying" before and all it takes is 2 clicks and poof it's all gone!
He doesn't go to school with those people?
 

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So apparently a trans-gender game modder killer him/herself by jumping off a bridge due to people urging him/her to do so thinking that it was all a big ploy to get more attention to their mods. I honestly rolled my eyes at it. It's always bad when someone dies, commits suicide but c'mon. Really? I think my crude sentiment can be best summed up by Tyler the Creator's Tweet:



Sure that is really crude but the guy is straight to the point. It's ridiculous. Your weapon against it is the on/off switch on the back of the computer. The sleep/wake button on top of the iPhone. So not really a political thing, just think it's one of those made up white people problems we have nowadays that end up becoming a thing bigger than it really needs to be. So thoughts?
It's ultimately not serious. Certainly not an issue for the courts to intervene in.

That said, if you directly encourage a suicide, you should be prosecuted for manslaughter the same as if you did so IRL.

Ditto for other criminal activity.
 

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OK. Hope that if you ever have children who are bullied, you don't take this stance with them.
Well see I'm not weak and neither is my daughter. So what is your point? She wasn't raised by fools and neither is she. When a kid hurts her feelings she doesn't see it as her loss, she sees it as their loss, because typically the kid is an asshole anyways.
 

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It's "blame the victim" time. "White" victims, apparently.

Let me explain the white people problems thing. Really, it's more of average middle class american problems. You don't see crap like this happening all over the world, just mostly in western society, and much of western societies characteristics originated from USA in the first place. So I hope that clears it up some.
 

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Cyber bullying is real, and my solution to it is the same as my solution to in person bullying.


Stand up, take the shove, shove back, and throw a punch when needed. You don't need to win the fight, just fight it.

I've been the receiver of a lot of bullying in my day, though the internet was never a source (after my time). And I will tell you, the single best cure for a bully is a punch. The knowledge that certain actions have consequences with certain people. Mess with me, and there will be a fight, PERIOD. That deters the MAJORITY of bullies, right there.
 

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Let me explain the white people problems thing. Really, it's more of average middle class american problems. You don't see crap like this happening all over the world, just mostly in western society, and much of western societies characteristics originated from USA in the first place. So I hope that clears it up some.
Bullying is universal.
 

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He doesn't go to school with those people?
This is a fair point, however in this instance, parents need to step in, go to PTC, engage in the childs life. There is no excuse in the world for being a bad parent. Well what if the kid acts like everything is ok? Well just be involved in there lives especially the teenage years. If your kid is gay then let them be gay, embrace it, and find out how to make there lives better.
 

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Of course it's real.
 

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This is a fair point, however in this instance, parents need to step in, go to PTC, engage in the childs life. There is no excuse in the world for being a bad parent. Well what if the kid acts like everything is ok? Well just be involved in there lives especially the teenage years. If your kid is gay then let them be gay, embrace it, and find out how to make there lives better.
You've never had a parent intervene on your behalf for bullying before, have you?

I have. And I assure you, it only makes the problem worse. Teachers are not omniscient, no matter how much you want them to be. And once you have proved your need to have MOMMY and DADDY step in on your behalf? It's like tossing chum into shark infested waters during swim time.


Number one solution to bullying always has been, and always will be, to stand up to them, take a few punches, and give a few punches. Period, the end.
 

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Well see I'm not weak and neither is my daughter. So what is your point? She wasn't raised by fools and neither is she. When a kid hurts her feelings she doesn't see it as her loss, she sees it as their loss, because typically the kid is an asshole anyways.
How do you know that your daughter is not one who is bullying? I mean, of course, seeing as how she is not weak and all.
 

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Well see I'm not weak and neither is my daughter. So what is your point? She wasn't raised by fools and neither is she. When a kid hurts her feelings she doesn't see it as her loss, she sees it as their loss, because typically the kid is an asshole anyways.
This is an example of projection.


You HOPE this is how your daughter sees it. You HOPE this is all there is to it. But you don't KNOW. You THINK you know, but the truth is, you don't.

My advice? If your daughter id a recurring target of bullying, be it in person, or online, tell her to take it to the person committing the act. Go to their house.

30 seconds of courage will save her months of trouble.
 
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