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Is Corporatism the biggest threat to life on earth?

Is Corporatism the biggest threat to life on planet earth?

  • yes

    Votes: 26 54.2%
  • no

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • yes, but not a threat to life

    Votes: 8 16.7%

  • Total voters
    48
But stocks are going up, because there is a large population of investors who do see prospect in defense companies because they have common sense.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/04/25/0425earnings1.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/010918-attack02.htm

Lets put it this way. Every war means business for defense companies. Every successful military invasion is followed by a commercial invasion by companies that see prospect in the country's newly opened markets under the term reconstruction. Iraq will benifit, but companies from outside who succesfully invest into the country will benefit even more.
 
nkgupta80 said:
But stocks are going up, because there is a large population of investors who do see prospect in defense companies because they have common sense.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/04/25/0425earnings1.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/010918-attack02.htm

Lets put it this way. Every war means business for defense companies. Every successful military invasion is followed by a commercial invasion by companies that see prospect in the country's newly opened markets under the term reconstruction. Iraq will benifit, but companies from outside who succesfully invest into the country will benefit even more.
Thank you very much, it was all the proof I needed! No hard feelings.
 
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Of course capitalism will last. What works best in this country is Capitalism that is definitely nasty, exploitive, and benefits few, and a system of socialism that modifies softens the exploitation by providing Welfare to the workers and poor, medical help to the needy, etc. and retirement benefits that allow the workers to live after working their butts off for much of their life. this also brings huge amounts of money into the system which is used to purchase products and services. this causes the Rich to get richer. this causes jobs to be made.

the reason why our economics are failing so dam miserably and we are losing jobs to foreign countries is because the Right is only interested in profits that benefit the few and don't care if normal Americans left without work and a future. American workers are still losing jobs to overseas at over 4000 jobs each month. Prices are going up and exploitation workers is growing. We Americans, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian are being kicked out of our jobs by low underpaid workers from Mexico and latin America, at an alarming rate. In a country where there are about a 100 million jobs. we are talking about 288,000 jobs over seas that use to give good pay and benefits to American workers. in the next 20 years, we are going to lose about 720,000 more jobs. Slowly the right wing is gathering impetus in the screwing of America.

These workers from latin America are good people who work hard and want to feed their families. Yet they are being exploited and used by Right Wing World Capitalism to fight and replace American workers in the USA.


Look in every major city, you will find empty plants and manufacturing centers and homeless. Jobs are gone or going overseas The Right wing in our country is without conscience, morals, and ethics.

The War on Terror is very important, and needs to be won. first we need to get out of Irag and start fighting, instead of creating terrorists.

We need to stop The Right Wing War in the United States. Nafta, cafta, safta, and wto need to go. we need to start supporting the USA once more.

We need a resurgence of American Economics and screw those that want to get richer at the expense of American jobs and worker.

The Stock market is not an indicator of jobs and American companies. It is an indicator of international business. investment. And represents less than 4% of the people of the United States, and investment by multinationals in each other.


:hm :hm :usflag2:
 
lamaror said:
the reason why our economics are failing so dam miserably and we are losing jobs to foreign countries is because the Right is only interested in profits that benefit the few and don't care if normal Americans left without work and a future. American workers are still losing jobs to overseas at over 4000 jobs each month. Prices are going up and exploitation workers is growing. We Americans, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian are being kicked out of our jobs by low underpaid workers from Mexico and latin America, at an alarming rate. In a country where there are about a 100 million jobs. we are talking about 288,000 jobs over seas that use to give good pay and benefits to American workers. in the next 20 years, we are going to lose about 720,000 more jobs. Slowly the right wing is gathering impetus in the screwing of America.

We need a resurgence of American Economics and screw those that want to get richer at the expense of American jobs and worker.

CPI:Consumer Price Index lamorar-"economics are failing so dam miserably"
unchanged in Jun 2005

Unemployment Rate: (unchanged in Jun 2005...-.2 from beginning of the year)
5.0% in Jul 2005

Payroll Employment: lamorar-"American workers are still losing jobs"
+207,000(p) in Jul 2005

Average Hourly Earnings:
+$0.06(p) in Jul 2005

PPI:producer Price Index -lamorar-"Prices are going up"
unchanged in Jun 2005

ECI:Employment Cost Index
+0.7% in 2nd Qtr of 2005

Productivity:
+2.9% in 1st Qtr of 2005

U.S. Import Price Index:
+1.0% in Jun 2005

http://www.bls.gov/
Front page...right in the middle....

Unemployment down....All labor indicators unchanged or are up.

Singing like Bon Jovi..."Shot through the heart; and lamorar's to blame...
you give facts....a bad name..."
 
Don't let Bush Privitize social Security. Social security is solvent until 2020. All we need to do is increase the deductions from Workers about 100 dollar a year, and Social security will remain solvent.

Bush want to take this fund and give it into the hands of his international and national Banks and Corporation. Think about it, money collected from millions of workers invested and used pay back the Central Bank of China for giving hundreds of Billion to Bush to fiight. This is exactly what Bush wants. privatization of SS will not Benefiit the individual Workers. It will benefit the Corporate investors. Who will be dealing with money from all workers instead of just one worker.

This is pure Greed.
:confused: :confused:
 
lamaror said:
Don't let Bush Privitize social Security. Social security is solvent until 2020. All we need to do is increase the deductions from Workers about 100 dollar a year, and Social security will remain solvent.

Bush want to take this fund and give it into the hands of his international and national Banks and Corporation. Think about it, money collected from millions of workers invested and used pay back the Central Bank of China for giving hundreds of Billion to Bush to fiight. This is exactly what Bush wants. privatization of SS will not Benefiit the individual Workers. It will benefit the Corporate investors. Who will be dealing with money from all workers instead of just one worker.

This is pure Greed.
:confused: :confused:
You can invest your money in social security, im putting mine in the bank! In annuities accounts if you put $100 in a month, at 6% interest, for 10 years, you would have about $60,000. And the best part is it's non-taxible money! And anyone can do it!
 
stsburns said:
You can invest your money in social security, im putting mine in the bank! In annuities accounts if you put $100 in a month, at 6% interest, for 10 years, you would have about $60,000. And the best part is it's non-taxible money! And anyone can do it!

The biggest opponent of "Private Accounts" is the AARP...a group that invests in?????

....You guessed it.....Private Accounts.....

But it is equally clear that AARP makes a substantial sum of money from its partners' sales of mutual funds and other investment products to members. That raises the appearance of a potential conflict of interest. Whatever version of reform passes -- whether Bush's accounts carved out from payroll taxes, or the "add-on" accounts that many liberals favor to encourage retirement savings -- the overhaul is likely to create new markets and opportunities for some suppliers of financial products and lead to diminished opportunities for others. AARP has a stake in that debate. Unlike financial firms, however, AARP has the flexibility to drop waning products and team up with other partners on any new alternatives that emerge.

http://www.businessweek.com/@@c6s@nYYQ*RWHvBkA/magazine/content/05_11/b3924050_mz011.htm
 
nkgupta80 said:
But stocks are going up, because there is a large population of investors who do see prospect in defense companies because they have common sense.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/04/25/0425earnings1.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2001/010918-attack02.htm

Lets put it this way. Every war means business for defense companies. Every successful military invasion is followed by a commercial invasion by companies that see prospect in the country's newly opened markets under the term reconstruction. Iraq will benifit, but companies from outside who succesfully invest into the country will benefit even more.


The problem is that those companies manipulate the market and steal your money.
 
cnredd said:
The biggest opponent of "Private Accounts" is the AARP...a group that invests in?????

....You guessed it.....Private Accounts.....

But it is equally clear that AARP makes a substantial sum of money from its partners' sales of mutual funds and other investment products to members. That raises the appearance of a potential conflict of interest. Whatever version of reform passes -- whether Bush's accounts carved out from payroll taxes, or the "add-on" accounts that many liberals favor to encourage retirement savings -- the overhaul is likely to create new markets and opportunities for some suppliers of financial products and lead to diminished opportunities for others. AARP has a stake in that debate. Unlike financial firms, however, AARP has the flexibility to drop waning products and team up with other partners on any new alternatives that emerge.

http://www.businessweek.com/@@c6s@nYYQ*RWHvBkA/magazine/content/05_11/b3924050_mz011.htm


If you think you will get to keep it and ENRON wont steal it go for it.
 
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:
If you think you will get to keep it and ENRON wont steal it go for it.

Wow!...With such witty reparte like that, how could you ever possibly fail?:doh
 
lamaror said:
Of course capitalism will last. What works best in this country is Capitalism that is definitely nasty, exploitive, and benefits few, and a system of socialism that modifies softens the exploitation by providing Welfare to the workers and poor, medical help to the needy, etc. and retirement benefits that allow the workers to live after working their butts off for much of their life. this also brings huge amounts of money into the system which is used to purchase products and services. this causes the Rich to get richer. this causes jobs to be made.

the reason why our economics are failing so dam miserably and we are losing jobs to foreign countries is because the Right is only interested in profits that benefit the few and don't care if normal Americans left without work and a future. American workers are still losing jobs to overseas at over 4000 jobs each month. Prices are going up and exploitation workers is growing. We Americans, Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian are being kicked out of our jobs by low underpaid workers from Mexico and latin America, at an alarming rate. In a country where there are about a 100 million jobs. we are talking about 288,000 jobs over seas that use to give good pay and benefits to American workers. in the next 20 years, we are going to lose about 720,000 more jobs. Slowly the right wing is gathering impetus in the screwing of America.

These workers from latin America are good people who work hard and want to feed their families. Yet they are being exploited and used by Right Wing World Capitalism to fight and replace American workers in the USA.


Look in every major city, you will find empty plants and manufacturing centers and homeless. Jobs are gone or going overseas The Right wing in our country is without conscience, morals, and ethics.

The War on Terror is very important, and needs to be won. first we need to get out of Irag and start fighting, instead of creating terrorists.

We need to stop The Right Wing War in the United States. Nafta, cafta, safta, and wto need to go. we need to start supporting the USA once more.

We need a resurgence of American Economics and screw those that want to get richer at the expense of American jobs and worker.

The Stock market is not an indicator of jobs and American companies. It is an indicator of international business. investment. And represents less than 4% of the people of the United States, and investment by multinationals in each other.


:hm :hm :usflag2:
Several years ago, Wal-Mart, arguably a powerful influence on any market, introduced a marketing program which it called "BUY AMERICAN". It featured displays of goods carrying 'Made in America' labels and plenty of red, white, and blue signage advertising the fact. For obvious reasons, the prices reflected the cost of goods produced in the US.

Consumers, shopping their pocketbooks, mostly ignored this stuff and made their purchases of similar goods on the basis of price. For obvious reasons, the prices reflected the cost of imported goods.

After a few months, Wal-Mart determined that the program had flopped and discontinued it.

Visit any major department store and check the labels on any garment rack. Turn over any small appliance and look at the country of origin. Will you find and 'Made in USA' tags? Only if they were made in the city of Usa, Japan.

Even the PC which brings this message to you was produced overseas and you bought it anyway, didn't you?

What is the lesson learned?

Simply this. As much as they moan and groan about NAFTA, CAFTA, factory closings, jobs being shipped overseas, etc., etc., etc. it is the US consumer, by his buying habits, who is the very cause of the distress about which he complains.

So long as purchasing decisions are made on the basis of price, mass consumer retail chains must search for goods at the lowest possible prices in order to remain competitive. To do otherwise would ensure their swift demise, which would lead to other economic problems.

What we have is a price driven, accellerating economy in which quality plays a very small role. There remains little, if any brand loyalty. Sales, discounts, and price cuts attract the consumer dollars.

You have not included the foregoing in your expansive equation. Kindly work it in and let us know its effect.
 
if quality were that bad, the consumer wouldn't choose those products. A US made clock may be of a bit better quality than a Chinese one, but the difference is marginal while the price difference is great. Quality would only play a role if it was noticeably greater in the US made product. Secondly, even well known brands are outsourced to China or other countries with cheap labor. All the big tech names outsource their manufacturing to China.
 
nkgupta80 said:
if quality were that bad, the consumer wouldn't choose those products. A US made clock may be of a bit better quality than a Chinese one, but the difference is marginal while the price difference is great. Quality would only play a role if it was noticeably greater in the US made product. Secondly, even well known brands are outsourced to China or other countries with cheap labor. All the big tech names outsource their manufacturing to China.
And your point is?
 
well you seemed to be pointing out that quality plays a very little role because we're a price driven consumer base. I was just trying to point out that quality would play a role if there was a noticeable difference in it. It's not that we don't pay attention to quality. I guess I wasn't really clear or I am not understanding the gist of your post.
 
nkgupta80 said:
well you seemed to be pointing out that quality plays a very little role because we're a price driven consumer base. I was just trying to point out that quality would play a role if there was a noticeable difference in it. It's not that we don't pay attention to quality. I guess I wasn't really clear or I am not understanding the gist of your post.

I THOUGHT is was an agreement, but I wasn't sure either...I was waiting and hoping for a clarification....Thanks.:2razz:
 
Originally posted by Fantasea:
Visit any major department store and check the labels on any garment rack. Turn over any small appliance and look at the country of origin. Will you find and 'Made in USA' tags? Only if they were made in the city of Usa, Japan.

Even the PC which brings this message to you was produced overseas and you bought it anyway, didn't you?
Not only that, Congress is trying (or may already have) to pass a law that you can't burn a flag [that was made in China]!
 
My computer frame was made in China.

Burning U$ flags i'm thinking of starting as a hobby.:lol:
 
stsburns said:
Now calm down, take a second to breathe. I was just wondering how does big business fit into the Iraq picture? Because Corporations are not allowed to create their own armed forces? Yes I know Fox News is Right Wing, So are you implying Fox News is the threat to everyone, or just your idea's? Because I can prove the Left wing media outlets are no better than Fox News, and they are both run by underground organizations! That's why I say watch C-SPAN, everyone can equally and logicaly debate issues. I believe they are the most Independent media outlet because on their website they state "Created by public cable, Offered as a public service". So they make it a service to report news, instead of biases outlets that make "Ratings" their primary motive for staying on the air. C-SPAN.org I hope they calm your anger at the media, there are good ones you know!
Can you prove a companies stock boosting due to the war in Iraq? I mean were loosing money and lives over there every day, how are corporations benefiting?


On September 1, 2001 Halliburton stock closed at $20.50 per share.

On August 3, 2005 Halliburton stock closed at $58.74 per share.


so lets say that Dic Cheney held a rather small block of Halliburton Stock......100,000 shares...On September 1, 2001 those holdings were worth $2,050,000

Shazzam...out of the blue a WAR is launched and Halliburton garners Billions of No bid Contracts...........BAMM

Today that 100,000 shares of stock held in a blind trust is worth $5,874,000

Of course I sure DicfuCheney held many times more than $100,000 shares


America deserves better.....America deserves a massive Heart attack!
 
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SMIRKnCHIMP said:
On September 1, 2001 Halliburton stock closed at $20.50 per share.

On August 3, 2005 Halliburton stock closed at $58.74 per share.


so lets say that Dic Cheney held a rather small block of Halliburton Stock......100,000 shares...On September 1, 2001 those holdings were worth $2,050,000

Shazzam...out of the blue a WAR is launched and Halliburton garners Billions of No bid Contracts...........BAMM

Today that 100,000 shares of stock held in a blind trust is worth $5,874,000

Of course I sure DicfuCheney held many times more than $100,000 shares


America deserves better.....America deserves a massive Heart attack!
www.snopes.com

This will answer all of your silly Cheney, Halliburton questions.:roll:
 
SMIRKnCHIMP said:
On September 1, 2001 Halliburton stock closed at $20.50 per share.

On August 3, 2005 Halliburton stock closed at $58.74 per share.


so lets say that Dic Cheney held a rather small block of Halliburton Stock......100,000 shares...On September 1, 2001 those holdings were worth $2,050,000

Shazzam...out of the blue a WAR is launched and Halliburton garners Billions of No bid Contracts...........BAMM

Today that 100,000 shares of stock held in a blind trust is worth $5,874,000

Of course I sure DicfuCheney held many times more than $100,000 shares


America deserves better.....America deserves a massive Heart attack!
It seems as if you missed the boat. Too bad. You could have been in on this bonanza, too if you were hooked up with a savvy stock broker.

By the way, have you any idea of who it is that makes the price of any stock change?
 
It seems as if you missed the boat. Too bad. You could have been in on this bonanza, too if you were hooked up with a savvy stock broker.

By the way, have you any idea of who it is that makes the price of any stock change?

the investors.
but go further. why would people invest into Halliburton suddenly. Because they realize the possible growth this company will experience.
 
nkgupta80 said:
the investors.
but go further. why would people invest into Halliburton suddenly. Because they realize the possible growth this company will experience.
It's the old law of supply and demand working as well as it always has.

However, just as stock prices may go up, they also may go down. Risk is risk. Why not invest now. Perhaps it will rise further?

:rofl
 
Perhaps it will, but Im just bad at taking risks like these.
 
nkgupta80 said:
Perhaps it will, but Im just bad at taking risks like these.
If one cannot be bold, then one must be content with less.
 
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