is consenting to sex also consenting to pregnancy?

[FallingPianos]

yes!

Every woman who consents to having sex is consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant. If this were not the case, she would be able to sue her future child to pay for prenatal care and birth costs, regardless of whether she was using contraception or not. well... if a person could be held liable for their actions as a fetus, but that's a separate issue.

however, consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant is not the same thing as consenting to carry a pregnancy to term.

sex does have consequences. getting an abortion, giving up the child for adoption, or raising the child if one is capable are all possible ways of taking responsibility for a pregnancy - as opposed to leaving the baby in a dumpster or trying to raise it when one doesn't have the necessary resources to do it.

 

[Cephus]

Every woman who consents to having sex is consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant.

According to that 'logic', every person who consents to get in a car is consenting to the possibility of having an accident. Do you even think about things before you post?

 

[rivrrat]

When you engage in any activity, you accept the possibility that things aren't going to turn out exactly as you'd hoped. This is no where near the same as consenting to a detrimental result.

When I get in a car, I am in no way consenting to an accident, even though I accept the possibility it could happen. You don't tell someone injured in an accident that it's their fault they're injured since they obviously consented to the accident when they got into the car.

When I paddle my boat off of a waterfall, I am in no way consenting to screwing up and getting injured, even though I accept the possibility it could happen.

When I lived in DC during the sniper shootings, I accepted the possibility that I could be shot by that man any time I left my home. In no way did I consent to being shot, though.

When I board a plane, I accept the possibility that it could crash. In no way do I consent to the crashing of the plane though.

 

[Indecent]

yes!

Every woman who consents to having sex is consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant. If this were not the case, she would be able to sue her future child to pay for prenatal care and birth costs, regardless of whether she was using contraception or not. well... if a person could be held liable for their actions as a fetus, but that's a separate issue.

however, consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant is not the same thing as consenting to carry a pregnancy to term.

sex does have consequences. getting an abortion, giving up the child for adoption, or raising the child if one is capable are all possible ways of taking responsibility for a pregnancy - as opposed to leaving the baby in a dumpster or trying to raise it when one doesn't have the necessary resources to do it.

If that were the case, there sure as hell wouldn't be as many child support cases clogging up the courts.

This is a ridiculous slippery slope argument, and part of the reason this isn't one of my favorite debate forums - using things like slippery slope and straw man aren't valid other places. Here, you take it and treat it like true fact.

It also implies that we do not have sex for the action and not the purpose. Humans do not have sexual relations solely for the cause of reproduction, and the law takes this into hand - even in South Dakota and its abortion ban, the law clearly distinguishes between actions and conditions. Consent to an action that poses a risk does not imply that individuals must consent to bodily conditions or impositions upon their liberty.

 

[jfuh]

If I go to a restaurant am I then consenting to food poisoning? The possibility of does not equate to consenting to.

 

[talloulou]

Pregnancy is not a "consent" deal. You can consent to getting pregnant till you're blue in the face and it might not happen for you. You can swear up and down and left and right that you don't want to be pregnant and yet it could still happen. Sure there are things you can do to increase or decrease your chance/risk of getting pregnant but whether or not you actually get pregnant is never 100% within your control.

You can consent to an abortion. You can't "consent" to pregnancy. Your body won't check in with you and see how you feel about getting pregnant. You can set up roadblocks to try to avoid it or you can take fertility drugs to try to encourage it but basically it's not something you get to control 100% and thus "consent" is a non-issue.

As long as you are having sex the consequence of getting pregnant or not getting pregnant are always lingering around. Pregnancy is not something someone else does to you. If your a fertile female and you have sperm in your body there is the possibility that the sperm will fertilize one of your eggs and then your body could begin nourishing that fertilized egg. It's something your body does involuntarily. You no more "consent" to it than you consent to having your liver work as a filter or have your heart beat.

But, in my mind, the fact that men and women don't get to consent to pregnancy during sex has nothing to do with my opinion that they should be held accountable and responsible for the new human they've created.

 

[Cephus]

But, in my mind, the fact that men and women don't get to consent to pregnancy during sex has nothing to do with my opinion that they should be held accountable and responsible for the new human they've created.

Often, one of the most accountable and responsible things they can do is get an abortion.

 

[Jerry]

Is consenting to sex also consenting to pregnancy?

Having sex is not Implied Consent to becoming pregnant precisely because there is no contract involved, the father is not an active party in the biological operations of the pregnancy nor is the ZEF a party in any alleged verbal contract therein.

Pregnancy is a Foreseeable Risk in that procreation is logical biological purpose of sex. The oft. Quoted risks of pregnancy and abortion posed by those who endorse sex-ed in the public school support the notion that pregnancy is a known and likely consequence of intercourse.

...though abortion is the alleviation of the responsibility to the child, not the fulfilling of the responsibility to the child.

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

OH no! Not another thread putting all the blame on to the women.:doh
HOW about the MAN-KID using protection???:doh

 

[FallingPianos]

According to that 'logic', every person who consents to get in a car is consenting to the possibility of having an accident. Do you even think about things before you post?

When you engage in any activity, you accept the possibility that things aren't going to turn out exactly as you'd hoped. This is no where near the same as consenting to a detrimental result.

When I get in a car, I am in no way consenting to an accident, even though I accept the possibility it could happen. You don't tell someone injured in an accident that it's their fault they're injured since they obviously consented to the accident when they got into the car.

When I paddle my boat off of a waterfall, I am in no way consenting to screwing up and getting injured, even though I accept the possibility it could happen.

When I lived in DC during the sniper shootings, I accepted the possibility that I could be shot by that man any time I left my home. In no way did I consent to being shot, though.

When I board a plane, I accept the possibility that it could crash. In no way do I consent to the crashing of the plane though.

If I go to a restaurant am I then consenting to food poisoning? The possibility of does not equate to consenting to.

Having sex is not Implied Consent to becoming pregnant precisely because there is no contract involved, the father is not an active party in the biological operations of the pregnancy nor is the ZEF a party in any alleged verbal contract therein.

Pregnancy is a Foreseeable Risk in that procreation is logical biological purpose of sex. The oft. Quoted risks of pregnancy and abortion posed by those who endorse sex-ed in the public school support the notion that pregnancy is a known and likely consequence of intercourse.

...though abortion is the alleviation of the responsibility to the child, not the fulfilling of the responsibility to the child.

OH no! Not another thread putting all the blame on to the women.:doh
HOW about the MAN-KID using protection???:doh

alright, you convinced me. :2wave:

stupid idea. :mrgreen:

 

[Chuck]

When I paddle my boat off of a waterfall, I am in no way consenting to screwing up and getting injured, even though I accept the possibility it could happen.

Canoe?
Kyack?
White water rafting?
I do all those too! Maybe we have something in common

 

[rivrrat]

Canoe?
Kyack?
White water rafting?
I do all those too! Maybe we have something in common

I was a whitewater rafting guide full time for about 10 years, still do it occasionally for fun. (on the New and Gauley rivers in WV) But mostly for fun - when I paddle over waterfalls - it's in an inflatable kayak aka ducky. (on the Kenebec and Penobscot in Maine, Moose river in New York, Russell Fork in Kentucky, the Youghiogheny in PA, or small rivers around here in WV. My favorite thing, though, is whitewater boogie boarding (or river boarding). Gonna get my new BF into it this year and maybe enter some of the national races eventually.

 

[Jerry]

alright, you convinced me. :2wave:

stupid idea. :mrgreen:

:aliens2: :2wave:

 

[Chuck]

I know the Upper Gauley well. Usually, our trip is one day on the Upper Gauley rafting, and one day on the New, upper of course, shooting rapids in open top canoes. Sometimes that can get hairy, swamping etc. Extra floatation is required.

We canoe a lot here in Ohio. A few in our group have kyacks too, but I'm too old to stay sitting in one of those for long periods of time. Need some space to move around a bit. I can Eskimop roll tho'

Mostly it's quiet days floating downstream, working on a sunburn, drinking beer, fishing, with lots of stops for the kids to swim, and the occasional surfing hole, usually small. There are bigger surfing holes in the spring, when the water is up, but it's usually muddy, with lots of debris. Not family style water. But we're usually good for one boys only outing at least a year.

If I had my life to live over again, I take that job learning to white water guide I turned down back in '78. It was in West Virginia. Boy did I blow that one!

 

[FutureIncoming]

is consenting to sex also consenting to pregnancy?
yes!
Every woman who consents to having sex is consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant.

FALSE. The Answer is "NO" because anyone who uses birth control is most definitely not consenting even to the possibility of pregnancy. Remember that about 50% of abortions are done because the contraceptives didn't work. That counts as proof that consent-to-pregnancy, or consent-to-the-possibility-of-pregnancy, was not granted (most certainly not automatically granted). And by the way, your introductory Question is misleading, since you changed the wording in your explanation, by adding "the possibility of" to it. The Answer to the Original Question is also "NO", of course. Too generic, since it ignores the fact that many many people consent to sex while using some birth control method, thereby most certainly not automatically consenting to pregnancy.

When you engage in any activity, you accept the possibility that things aren't going to turn out exactly as you'd hoped.

I disagree. There is, for example, the possibilty that a meteor might crash onto your head in the next minute. Are you accepting that possiblity? Most people don't even consider such a possibility for a moment. And even when they do think about it, they generally go ahead living their lives as if it is not a possibility at all. It is unfortunate that many birth-control-failures are due to improper use, exactly because of not-considering the possibilities! Spread of sexually transmitted diseases can be blamed on that, too. Meanwhile, the average person also doesn't normally consider the possibility that by walking down the sidewalk, somebody in a car might start shooting a gun. When people accept the possibility of something unwanted or detrimental happening, they usually take out an insurance policy regarding it. And so, are there insurance policies regarding sex and pregnancy? Not that I know of. And I doubt that some insurer would want to offer such a thing, to pay all the costs associated with an unintended pregnancy (for 18 years and 9 months). Nobody would want to pay the premiums for such a thing!

Pregnancy is not a "consent" deal. You can consent to getting pregnant till you're blue in the face and it might not happen for you. You can swear up and down and left and right that you don't want to be pregnant and yet it could still happen.

COMPLETELY AGREED. This is strictly because sex and pregnancy are not direct cause-and-effect events. If they were, then and only then could one say that one is accepting certain possibilities, in the same way that one accepts certain possibilities when playing Russian Roulette.

Pregnancy is a Foreseeable Risk in that procreation is logical biological purpose of sex.

ONLY PARTLY TRUE. Humans are an exception to the general rule that the purpose of sex is pregnancy. For humans sex is also a pair-bonding tool. It may even be primarily a pair-bonding tool for humans, since the female's fertile times are hidden. For most species, the fertile time of a female ("heat") is a blatant invitation for sex and reproduction, almost as directly cause-and-effect as pulling a trigger fires a gun.