Is communism possible in the USA?

[Canell]

To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

So, is communism possible in the USA?

 

[FreedomFromAll]

To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

So, is communism possible in the USA?

No....

 

[Moot]

So, is communism possible in the USA?

Only if it's called something else with a conservative ring to it...like say....Christianity.

 

[Surtr]

To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

So, is communism possible in the USA?

I highly doubt it.

 

[Shadow Serious]

If the Constitution is not upheld at all then anything is possible, but I think that it would be more likely that a Fascist Regime would be more probable than a Communist one.

 

[Artevelde]

To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

So, is communism possible in the USA?

Extremely unlikely I would say. In any event, a Communit USA would no longer be the USA since it would mean doing away with pretty much the whole US Constitution.

 

[Moot]

Extremely unlikely I would say. In any event, a Communit USA would no longer be the USA since it would mean doing away with pretty much the whole US Constitution.

Thats true, it wouldn't the USA anymore. It would be an authoritarian theocracy with all the communist bells and whistles. And since Jesus preached socialism....it would be an easy switch......if only it weren't for that darn constitution and separation of church and state.

 

[Artevelde]

Thats true, it wouldn't the USA anymore. It would be an authoritarian theocracy with all the communist bells and whistles. And since Jesus preached socialism....it would be an easy switch......if only it weren't for that darn constitution and separation of church and state.

Actually, Jesus didn't preach socialism since he preached that His Kingdom was not of this world.

Besides, Communists tend to very intolerant towards religion.

 

[Moot]

Actually, Jesus didn't preach socialism since he preached that His Kingdom was not of this world.

Yes, but you have to die to get there. Is Christianity a religion of death? No, Jesus preached social justice for the poor here on earth.

Besides, Communists tend to very intolerant towards religion.

They can still call themselves communists.....all 50 or 60 of them. lol

"....The Communist Party is not against religion, but instead regards positively religious people's belief in justice, peace and respectful relations among the peoples. To build good relations with supporters of religion, the party has its own Religious Commission..."

Communist Party USA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is the world coming to when communists have their own religious commission? I think that kinda shows how desperate they must be getting to even exist in the US. But, if they changed their name to something with a christian ring to it....like say.... faithers.........they'd probably get a lot more takers. Then they could start planting. By the time people realized they were communists in sheep clothing, it will either be too late or it won't matter.

 

[Artevelde]

Yes, but you have to die to get there. Is Christianity a religion of death? No, Jesus preached social justice for the poor here on earth.

They can still call themselves communists.....all 50 or 60 of them. lol

Communist Party USA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is the world coming to when communists have their own religious commission? I think that kinda shows how desperate they must be getting to even exist in the US. But, if they changed their name to something with a christian ring to it....like say.... faithers.........they'd probably get a lot more takers. Then they could start planting. By the time people realized they were communists in sheep clothing, it will either be too late or it won't matter.

The idea of claiming that Christ espoused a particular ârty political ideology is ridiculous.

 

[Moot]

The idea of claiming that Christ espoused a particular ârty political ideology is ridiculous.

First you said, it was communism that was intolerant of religion. I showed you that it is possible for communism to espouse religion.

 

[German guy]

The idea of claiming that Christ espoused a particular ârty political ideology is ridiculous.

True, but that doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been or can't be abused for political ends. And Christian believers often go through great length to legislate their interpretation of Christian morals.

As a European, you'll probably be aware of the "christian democratic" parties in Europe, which at least initially based their support for social systems or their demand even for "Christian socialism" (German Christian Dems ca. 1945-48 i.e.) on Christianity.

 

[Artevelde]

First you said, it was communism that was intolerant of religion. I showed you that it is possible for communism to espouse religion.

You showed no such thing. Communism has a proven track record of bloody suppression of religion. Googling some phantasy-texts o the internet doesn't change that.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

To save the poll from influence, I will spare my opinion for the time being.

So, is communism possible in the USA?

I imagine that much depends on exactly how you define “Communism”.

Strictly-speaking, I would have to define Communism as the social order that Marx envisioned; and on that basis, I would argue that Communism is not possible at all, here in the U.S., nor anywhere else—at least not on any kind of scale. There have been quite a few nations that have declared themselves to be Communist-based, and have tried to implement a Communist society; and without so much as a single exception, they have all gone very, very far astray from what Marx envisioned. I think we've seen enough attempts to implement Communism, all fail in the same ways, that I can safely predict that there never will and never can be a true Communist society.

 

[Artevelde]

True, but that doesn't mean that Christianity hasn't been or can't be abused for political ends. And Christian believers often go through great length to legislate their interpretation of Christian morals.

As a European, you'll probably be aware of the "christian democratic" parties in Europe, which at least initially based their support for social systems or their demand even for "Christian socialism" (German Christian Dems ca. 1945-48 i.e.) on Christianity.

Any religion can be abused for political ends.

As for christian-democracy, this is a political current which is pretty old (mid 19th century in some countries) and which does not purport to be synonymous with a religion.

 

[Cyrylek]

Absolutely possible. It will not be called "Communism", it will be called something else. But the envy, the lust for power, the collectivism...they are simply elements of our human nature. The ones we have to suppress, if we want to stay civilized - and, in the long term - survive.

 

[German guy]

Any religion can be abused for political ends.

As for christian-democracy, this is a political current which is pretty old (mid 19th century in some countries) and which does not purport to be synonymous with a religion.

Yeah smartass, and exactly that is what the OP asked for.

 

[Artevelde]

Yeah smartass, and exactly that is what the OP asked for.

I can't help you deal with your feelings of inadequacy. Seek professional help for that.

 

[Moot]

You showed no such thing. Communism has a proven track record of bloody suppression of religion. Googling some phantasy-texts o the internet doesn't change that.

Oh ye of little faith. My source was the "Communist Party USA".


"Communists are not against religion. We are against capitalism. In fact, the Party has its own Religion Commission which seeks to build positive relations with religious people and communities in the struggle to make life better for working people. Most religious people believe in justice, peace, and respectful relations among the peoples of the world, and many are motivated by their faith to work for those goals.

Membership in the Communist Party is open to all who agree with our program, regardless of religious beliefs."

FAQ » cpusa

 

[Artevelde]

Oh yea of little faith. My source was the "Communist Party USA".

FAQ » cpusa

I can provide you with quotes from Hitler saying he was only interested in peace. I guess that would prove conclusively to you that he was a pacifist?

 

[Canell]

OK, how about this kind of communism? eace

 

[Rainman05]

No... It's highly unlikely. the possibility of communism returning to any country in the Free World is limited.

We must remember that communism never sprung out by itself in any free country. Russia was an absolute monarchy when it was overtaken by the reds. China was also a dictatorship when the first revolts sprung. Cuba wasn't really a democracy,etc.

So no. No country that has a tradition of freedom and liberty ever turned to communism without external "help".

The most powerful of communist countries, China, doesn't have the influence or power to spread it's communism around the world since it very much depends on the free world for its continuous growth.

 

[Canell]

We must remember that communism never sprung out by itself in any free country. Russia was an absolute monarchy when it was overtaken by the reds. China was also a dictatorship when the first revolts sprung. Cuba wasn't really a democracy,etc.

Communism is not a trade mark of Mr. Karl Marx, you know.
In fact, what he proposed is just the opposite of Communism.

 

[Rainman05]

OK, how about this kind of communism? eace

That's not communism. it's communualism (people living in a very tight community with very strong traditions). And it's a type of society that can never be adopted by the masses since it's backwards and anti-progress... which means that even if it is adopted (by miracle) by the masses, it's lifespan will be short. And the people who adopt it will, in time, fall behind the rest of the world which will overtake them.

 

[Artevelde]

Communism is not a trade mark of Mr. Karl Marx, you know.
In fact, what he proposed is just the opposite of Communism.

For better or for worse, the term Communism refers to a specific ideology that does have Karl Marx as one of its main theorists.

I understand you want to use it to refer to other forms of societal arrangements, but that only obscures the discussion.