Is Communism Dead?

[Real Korimyr #9]

... in the long term parliamentary democracy isnt an effective enough medium to achieve their long term aims, but in the short term they're trying to improve things...

The problem with this is, the more responsible and functional a government is, the less likely that the Proletariat is going to rise up and remove it.

"Communist" parties which engage in representative government and fight for the rights and prosperity of the worker are, essentially, working against the interests of the Revolution.

This is nothing I'm opposed to, in and of itself, since I am in support of both the rights and prosperity of the working class (as with all citizens) and preventing the success of international Communism.

There's no longer an international Communist movement...

What do you think the UN is?

A badly mismanaged and corrupt international organization that tries to function as a neutral third-party arbiter between various countries and their respective ideologies.

The United Nations is merely the second attempt at building the League of Nations, and is about as effective overall.

It is only a Communist organization-- or a threat to much of anything-- in your paranoid and overactive imagination.

China has ... made the transition ... to a corporatist market State.

What? They are commies.

You are again showing your ignorance of both Communism and world affairs.

Communism died when the Soviet Union collapsed...

What makes you think it collapsed?

The inability of the Russian government to govern anything, corresponding with a massive decline in Russian influence in world political and economic affairs.

Honestly, I shouldn't have to explain why I think the Soviet Union collapsed. It is readily apparent.

...North Korea and Cuba may have some vaguely Marxist ideals-- but they are both dictatorships controlled by cults of personality; neither regime will survive the death of their current leaders...

The current North Korean leader took over when the former one died (his father, I believe). They will stay in power until they lose their control of the military.

Indeed, Kim Jong Il's leadership of North Korea is solely due to inheriting it from Kim Il Sung. The North Korean government was much more effective under his father, and the country as a whole enjoyed Chinese and Russian support. Now, it is a mismanaged rogue state.

Cuba may or may not be able to maintain its current government after Castro-- since the Cuban government has proven remarkably stable and resilient-- but I think without Castro's appeal as a solid leader, the enormous ex-patriate community will be capable of overthrowing the Communist regime.

Especially since the United States would love nothing better than to help them do so.

 

[Robodoon]

Communism by definition is classless, so you are saying the definition of communism is a lie. You are very intelligent.

Idealistic Models and how they really work are two different things, Communism has never been real, it has always been propped up by the great Capitalists of the Earth, and we see in Russia and China, it's not for the people but for the rulers.

I agree, socialism is a different economic system than capitalism, it does not have wages or hiring in the capitalist sense. But the USSR did work on wages and hiring, except there was one employer: the state. So it is best to call the USSR "state-capitalist" as opposed to "free market-capitalist" which is more of individual employers etc. etc.

Communist Russia is a fraud, as I said it has always been supported by the Rich, it was created by the Rich, for bias in a global dialectic. Today we are merging with Russia, and Free Trade is part of this, free trade isn't free, and it is a MARXIST idea. Third Way is in America today and that is a merger of Communism and Capitalism, but in that model an idea of real capitalism for the common man is lost.

This tends to be more opinions than facts, you cannot prove a communist society isn't possible, nor can I prove that it is. Neither is a fact.

No you can prove its not possible because its constaintly needing to be up lifted by its rich masters. Communism has never ever stood on its own.

So do the two main Greek Communist Parties, have a combined total of 5-6% I believe. Moldova has a majority, but most do not consider it communist in any sense.

Well Communism, Socialism and Fascism are really all the same when they are boiled down, none serve the people and all leadto a controlled society were freedom dries up and the people become servents to the government, instead of the government being the servent to the people

 

[Comrade Brian]

Communism has never been real

So why make this thread? So you are asking if something is dead, and then saying it it isn't even real. What are you smoking?

it has always been propped up by the great Capitalists of the Earth

Oh yes, you just missed the part of the communist ideology being anti-capitalist and vice versa.

and we see in Russia and China, it's not for the people but for the rulers.

As in most countries.

Today we are merging with Russia, and Free Trade is part of this, free trade isn't free, and it is a MARXIST idea

Which is exactly why most Marxists are opposed to free-trade. So intelligent of you.

Third Way is in America today and that is a merger of Communism and Capitalism

Comparing how there are like opposites.

 

[Kandahar]

Kandahar, the only problem I find with this is that communism is by definition classless, stateless, moneyless, etc. etc. So are North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Libya, Zimbabwe, Myanmar these things?

Communism "by definition", as far as I'm concerned, is how it has actually been practiced, not Marx's utopian views which will never happen, since they are utopian.

 

[FinnMacCool]

Well Communism, Socialism and Fascism are really all the same when they are boiled down

I think I'm gonna have a heart attack. . .ah well I give up.

 

[Deegan]

Communism is not dead, but it is on a ventilator, and I am sure that the ACLU would be glad to donate their organs to see it survives another day.:roll:

 

[Comrade Brian]

Communism "by definition", as far as I'm concerned, is how it has actually been practiced, not Marx's utopian views which will never happen, since they are utopian.

The basic definition of communism is classlessness, that is also the main attraction. So therefore to actually practice it you need to be classless. This has been achieved in the earliest human societies, but hardly ever since then, I find why they changed was to look for "better" ways of production, that would produce faster than smashing corn on rocks etc. etc. but we no longer do that. Because someone "claims to be practicing it or claims to be one, doesn't mean they actually are one. Also communism is far less utopian than most believe, and have you ever read Marx?

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

The basic definition of communism is classlessness, that is also the main attraction.

And unfortunately also its biggest flaw. Despite the claims of the idealistic and the oppressed, Man does not want freedom and equality; these are among the most intolerable conditions for any group of human beings, and among the first conditions that they will seek to correct. This is among the reasons that the Communist revolutions failed-- they took power away from one class of citizens and then expected people not to seize it.

Every functional society, and especially every functional modern society, must have people below to be commanded and people above to be obeyed.

The function of a just and proper government is to ensure that the correct people are in each role; the function of a "free" government is to ensure that people aren't interfered with without good reason, so that they have the opportunity to pursue their interests.

 

[Donkey1499]

Today's communists are the leadership of the democrat party. Especially Hillary Clinton. She's one mean bitch witch. I'll even go so far as to say that Hillary is one of the Satanni that is preparing the way for the anti-Christ. She laughs at stuff that isn't funny and does't laugh at stuff that is funny.

Anywho, the left is communist........ and especially Hillary!

 

[steen]

There is one glaring reality that this tread has shown. The United States are seriously deficient in teaching students even the bare minimum about political ideas and movements. :2razz:


Rarely have I come across such ignorance about politics, and that on a board dedicated to debating politics? This is downright scary. Now, more than half the ignorance is spewed by Robodon who claims that fascism, socialism and communism are the mostly same thing, but nutty claims like how US Democrats, who at best are leaning toward the center right in world politics somehow are commies, that's also pretty pathetic. :shock: