Is Christianity a threat to freedom and human rights?

Is Christianity a threat to freedom and human rights?

Yes, it is.

Human freedom and human rights in the modern world exist in spite of Christianity, not because of it.

Christianity destroys human freedom. Christian dogmas invade the bedroom, the husband wife relationship, it decides how you are allowed to dress, and even makes talking to your friends too much a sin for which a tyrant God will torture you for.

Christianity has a long history of oppression of human sexual rights. From the beginning Christianity condemned homosexuality and Christians have murdered homosexuals, beginning in Rome by burning at the stake. In the middle ages, Christianity imposed harsh sexual rules which forbid fellatio, masturbation, and any sexual position outside of the missionary position. You couldn't even have sex if your wife was pregnant!

Christianity was the first religion to impose censorship! Christians destroyed the ancient temples of pagans, burned pagan books, tortured so-called Christian Heretics, and used the power of the Roman government to officially silence their critics. Later Christians would create a forbidden book index, kill scientists and philosophers, and condemn the proven theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun!

Christianity gave it's full assent to human slavery. Slavery wasn't abolished because of Christianity, it was abolished in spite of Christianity. Humanity evolved to finally see their fellow man as people worthy of equal dignity thanks to enlightenment thinkers, not Christian thinkers.

Christianity invented the first thought crimes, and actively persecuted and killed those who didn't correctly believe. Remember the Catholic vs Protestant schism? Others were murdered and killed throughout Christian history for simply believing differently, the Cathars for example.

Even today, Christianity throws a dark cloud over freedom and human rights. Even today Christians seek to impose their worldview upon others, only refusing to use violent force because they do not have the political or military strength to do so.

Should we be surprised though? Christians worship a god who claims that those who do not follow his laws or believe what they are told to believe will be tormented forever; hardly an idea that is conducive to freedom or human rights. Just like the deity they worship, Christians have committed horrible atrocities throughout their history, even burning people alive for the crime of wrongthink.

Christianity is an enemy of human freedom and human rights.

we should ask women who were burned for being witches.

CaughtInThe said:

we should ask women who were burned for being witches.

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Thanks, there is so many atrocities in Christian history that I forget most, and even if I wanted to write all the atrocities I've learned about over the years it wouldn't be a post, it would be a book, of several volumes.

Maybe look to true Christianity instead of focusing on the fake, which will be destroyed...

I would argue the issue is more organized religion generally, but I also don't think if nobody was religious that it would help that much honestly. One reason I personal don't like religion is because it is just a really easy tool to get people to believe horrible things. For example, bigots will just say homosexuality is a sin and that's that. They don't have to demonstrate harm or explain why it is bad, or make much of any argument at all. To them it's a sin because it just inherently is. Woven right into the fabric of the universe.

However, in the absence of religion people will still find ways to justify horrible things. There are many examples of this. Religion is just used where people are already highly religious because it is the easiest tool.

In light of that, in addition to all the good things about religion (it makes many people happy, community building, many churches do a lot of charity) I'm relatively neutral on it. I'll argue with people against religion and I think a more secular society is preferable, but besides that I don't really see a point in attacking religion as a whole and like to focus on specifically the bad aspects (crazy preachers, harmful religious customs, etc).

Elora said:

Maybe look to true Christianity instead of focusing on the fake, which will be destroyed...

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I'm going to be honest, I like a lot of what you call "fake Christianity" more than whatever it is you believe to be true Christianity. Most of the "fake Christians" on here are very kind and agreeable people.

Nomad4Ever said:

I'm going to be honest, I like a lot of what you call "fake Christianity" more than whatever it is you believe to be true Christianity. Most of the "fake Christians" on here are very kind and agreeable people.

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I refuse to compromise my faith...many are more willing to tickle your ears...

FurriesRock said:

Is Christianity a threat to freedom and human rights?

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in and of itself? of course not LMAO
and its just playing ignorant, bigoted and or dishonest to claim it is
there's no facts or logic to even support such a claim

now how PEOPLE use "something" . . "anything" could be a threat to freedom and human rights but that's PEOPLE

Elora said:

Maybe look to true Christianity instead of focusing on the fake, which will be destroyed...

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That's a no true scotsman fallacy.

You can't claim that all the misery created by Christianity in the last two thousand years just wasn't "true" christianity.

It is a threat to rational thought.

Elora said:

Maybe look to true Christianity instead of focusing on the fake, which will be destroyed...

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are you speaking of the Southern Baptists who kept a rape list of little kids, lied about having it and continued to let the rapists be part of the Baptist churches (without reporting the rapes to the cops)? and then knew that some of the rapists asked some of the girls to get abortions?

FurriesRock said:

That's a no true scotsman fallacy.

You can't claim that all the misery created by Christianity in the last two thousand years just wasn't "true" christianity.

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I can and I do...how many of them followed or are following the commands Jesus left his followers, to obey?

"He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’...The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’" Matthew 22:37,39

AGENT J said:

in and of itself? of course not LMAO
and its just playing ignorant, bigoted and or dishonest to claim it is
there's no facts or logic to even support such a claim

now how PEOPLE use "something" . . "anything" could be a threat to freedom and human rights but that's PEOPLE

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This sounds like the religious version of "guns don't kill people, people do". Of course Christianity isn't inherently bad. It, and any religion (or even any dogmatic political ideology), is just a tool bigots can use that make it easier to justify their beliefs. It is a lot easier to convince someone that gay people are bad or whatever when you can just tell them "because God said they are" instead of trying to find evidence for how they harm society.

CaughtInThe said:

are you speaking of the Southern Baptists who kept a rape list of little kids, lied about having it and continued to let the rapists be part of the Baptist churches (without reporting the rapes to the cops)? and then knew that some of the rapists asked some of the girls to get abortions?

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No...

FurriesRock said:

Christianity has a long history of oppression of human sexual rights. From the beginning Christianity condemned homosexuality and Christians have murdered homosexuals, beginning in Rome by burning at the stake. In the middle ages, Christianity imposed harsh sexual rules which forbid fellatio, masturbation, and any sexual position outside of the missionary position. You couldn't even have sex if your wife was pregnant!

Christianity was the first religion to impose censorship! Christians destroyed the ancient temples of pagans, burned pagan books, tortured so-called Christian Heretics, and used the power of the Roman government to officially silence their critics. Later Christians would create a forbidden book index, kill scientists and philosophers, and condemn the proven theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun!

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That thing in bold is the real problem.

Nomad4Ever said:

One reason I personal don't like religion is because it is just a really easy tool to get people to believe horrible things.

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That's one reason why I don't personally like government.

aociswundumho said:

That's one reason why I don't personally like government.

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The nation state and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Elora said:

No...

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are they not real Christians?? you know, the Southern Baptist Convention.

Elora said:

I can and I do...how many of them followed or are following the commands Jesus left his followers, to obey?

"He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’...The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’" Matthew 22:37,39

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And you would be wrong. Besides, your chosen religion only started in the late 1800's in the USA and never really had any power to do anything. But the little power that they do hold over their followers has been and continues to be abused. They use their power to break up families.

aociswundumho said:

That thing in bold is the real problem.



That's one reason why I don't personally like government.

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What horrible things does government want you to believe?

Nomad4Ever said:

This sounds like the religious version of "guns don't kill people, people do".

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nope its just facts, Christianity itself has no power or ability to limit freedom and human rights whatsoever

what vile disgusting people choose to do with it or use it is on them, simple

same could be said of a car, hammer, ANY religion, list or morals, laws, a shoe string etc etc etc

Nomad4Ever said:

it is a lot easier to convince someone MORONS and or BIGOTS that gay people are bad or whatever when you can just tell them "because God said they are" instead of trying to find evidence for how they harm society.

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I fixed this for you, again its a people problem

this is proven by the millions of Christians that have zero issue with gay people and the Christian churches that marry them

its vile people that are the issue

devildavid said:

What horrible things does government want you to believe?

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My goodness, where to begin?

1. That kids need to waste their childhood sitting in government buildings in order to become educated.
2. That politicians and bureaucrats put what's best for the country ahead of their own personal interests.
3. That taxation is the price we pay for civilization.
4. That marijuana is dangerous and has no medical use.

I'll stop there, but you get the idea.

AGENT J said:

nope its just facts, Christianity itself has no power or ability to limit freedom and human rights whatsoever

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I actually agree with all this. Christianity is just a tool and isn't inherently any more evil than the person using it.

But I am begging you to understand that you are using literally almost word for word the same logic as "guns don't kill people, people do". Look, watch.

AGENT J said:

nope its just facts, Christianity guns themself have no power or ability to limit freedom and human rights whatsoever

what vile disgusting people choose to do with guns or use for on them, simple

same could be said of a car, hammer, ANY religion weapon, list or morals, laws, a shoe string etc etc etc

I fixed this for you, again its a people problem, not a guns problem

this is proven by the millions of Christians legal gun owners that have zero issue with gay people and the Christian churches that marry them do not commit crimes

its vile people that are the issue

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aociswundumho said:

My goodness, where to begin?

1. That kids need to waste their childhood sitting in government buildings in order to become educated.
2. That politicians and bureaucrats put what's best for the country ahead of their own personal interests.
3. That taxation is the price we pay for civilization.
4. That marijuana is dangerous and has no medical use.

I'll stop there, but you get the idea.

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No, the government does not promote those beliefs. Those are your biased views of the government.

The government (the people) provided public education as a public good so that education could be afforded by all and not just the elite few.
The government (the people) provided the coordinated building of the infrastructure needed to help commerce which in turn provides a livelihood for people.
The government (the people) use taxes to provide for enfacement of laws needed to maintain a civilized and just society ruled by law and not by the whims of individuals.
Marijuana is being legalized but it's medicinal benefits are probably exaggerated.

Take away government and take away the luxury you have to sit around and complain about it on this forum.

Elora said:

Maybe look to true Christianity instead of focusing on the fake, which will be destroyed.

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which is subjective, you have no power to judge what is true Christianity

Nomad4Ever said:

I actually agree with all this. Christianity is just a tool and isn't inherently any more evil than the person using it.

But I am begging you to understand that you are using literally almost word for word the same logic as "guns don't kill people, people do". Look, watch.

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i have no problem with that saying guns don't kill people, people do in a general sense because its factually true and the word gun can be replaced with just about anything knives, sticks, shoes, religion, cars, hammer, pencil etc
you haven't posted anything that disproves the sound and factual logic as a general statment