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Is Campaign Reform What America Really Needs?

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http://boropulse.com/2012/06/gagflex-losing-the-class-war/


If you are in the middle or lower-middle class, then it’s possible that your status will remain that way, but it’s more likely that you’ll lose that status. If you’re already poor. then it’s highly likely that you will remain poor. Of course, there are great stories of people overcoming poverty to become great financial success stories, but it’s rare and is getter rarer. We may occasionally see economic wonks on the news tell us about how the middle class is shrinking, but do we truly understand this?

When we read or hear about the economic downturn, there’s a tendency to assume that the whole country is in this together; that fictional CEO, Reginald Bottomtooth, is taking a loss just like Johnny Punchclock. This is not true, and even if Reginald Bottomtooth did take a loss, then his big pain might be removing his kid from an elite private school or only taking two months of vacation time. When people say the middle class is shrinking, what they mean is the poor are getting poorer. But money doesn’t just disappear. Dollars don’t magically evaporate. There are people happily making heaps of dough, and the poorer and more desperate we become, the richer they get.

The harder the times, the more likely you are to let some factory take advantage of you. We’re told we’re lucky to have jobs in this economy, so we’re less likely to complain to that Johnson Controls manager that were tired and running on empty from working 12-hour shifts, 7 days a week, for a month straight. We get time-and-a-half because there are laws in place to keep companies from completely picking your bones, but what then? We take the one day off we have that month and take our families out and try to enjoy our lives. That means buying stuff, traveling and putting money back into the economy.

The average American CEO makes over 400 times more money that the average worker. They’re the ones getting the tax benefits.
Since they have the money, they’re the ones controlling the political landscape. They’re the ones that tax loopholes are designed for because they’re the so-called “job creators.” Venture capitalist, Nick Hanauer, gave a mediocre TED talk earlier this year that had a very good central theme that businesses do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. And we create demand. Then why do we act as if we are powerless? Why do we consistently vote against our own interests when it comes to taxes, health care, conservation and education?
Conservative millionaire politicians do not relate to the average American, so how do they get elected? Mitt Romney’s wife receives a tax deduction on her dressage horse that doubles the annual salary of the average American worker. The super wealthy can anonymously donate as much money to political campaigns as they see fit, and they are donating to the politicians that will give their companies the longest leash. On the flip side, these same politicians are the ones pushing for stricter voter ID laws because they fear anonymous voters but not anonymous money. And the voters who are least likely to have government issued IDs are poor minorities, which is not coincidentally the people who are least likely to vote for them.

The United States is not becoming a plutocracy, it is a plutocracy. Our lives and our politics are being dictated by the wealthiest people in the country. We need real campaign finance reform because money is polluting our system from top to bottom. Running for office without buckets of money is nearly impossible. And we need to stop imagining that the best politician for the job is the one who will do the least.
 
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http://boropulse.com/2012/06/gagflex-losing-the-class-war/


If you are in the middle or lower-middle class, then it’s possible that your status will remain that way, but it’s more likely that you’ll lose that status. If you’re already poor. then it’s highly likely that you will remain poor. Of course, there are great stories of people overcoming poverty to become great financial success stories, but it’s rare and is getter rarer. We may occasionally see economic wonks on the news tell us about how the middle class is shrinking, but do we truly understand this?

When we read or hear about the economic downturn, there’s a tendency to assume that the whole country is in this together; that fictional CEO, Reginald Bottomtooth, is taking a loss just like Johnny Punchclock. This is not true, and even if Reginald Bottomtooth did take a loss, then his big pain might be removing his kid from an elite private school or only taking two months of vacation time. When people say the middle class is shrinking, what they mean is the poor are getting poorer. But money doesn’t just disappear. Dollars don’t magically evaporate. There are people happily making heaps of dough, and the poorer and more desperate we become, the richer they get.

The harder the times, the more likely you are to let some factory take advantage of you. We’re told we’re lucky to have jobs in this economy, so we’re less likely to complain to that Johnson Controls manager that were tired and running on empty from working 12-hour shifts, 7 days a week, for a month straight. We get time-and-a-half because there are laws in place to keep companies from completely picking your bones, but what then? We take the one day off we have that month and take our families out and try to enjoy our lives. That means buying stuff, traveling and putting money back into the economy.

The average American CEO makes over 400 times more money that the average worker. They’re the ones getting the tax benefits.
Since they have the money, they’re the ones controlling the political landscape. They’re the ones that tax loopholes are designed for because they’re the so-called “job creators.” Venture capitalist, Nick Hanauer, gave a mediocre TED talk earlier this year that had a very good central theme that businesses do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. And we create demand. Then why do we act as if we are powerless? Why do we consistently vote against our own interests when it comes to taxes, health care, conservation and education?
Conservative millionaire politicians do not relate to the average American, so how do they get elected? Mitt Romney’s wife receives a tax deduction on her dressage horse that doubles the annual salary of the average American worker. The super wealthy can anonymously donate as much money to political campaigns as they see fit, and they are donating to the politicians that will give their companies the longest leash. On the flip side, these same politicians are the ones pushing for stricter voter ID laws because they fear anonymous voters but not anonymous money. And the voters who are least likely to have government issued IDs are poor minorities, which is not coincidentally the people who are least likely to vote for them.

The United States is not becoming a plutocracy, it is a plutocracy. Our lives and our politics are being dictated by the wealthiest people in the country. We need real campaign finance reform because money is polluting our system from top to bottom. Running for office without buckets of money is nearly impossible. And we need to stop imagining that the best politician for the job is the one who will do the least.
Nothing partisan about that, huh?
 

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http://boropulse.com/2012/06/gagflex-losing-the-class-war/


If you are in the middle or lower-middle class, then it’s possible that your status will remain that way, but it’s more likely that you’ll lose that status. If you’re already poor. then it’s highly likely that you will remain poor. Of course, there are great stories of people overcoming poverty to become great financial success stories, but it’s rare and is getter rarer. We may occasionally see economic wonks on the news tell us about how the middle class is shrinking, but do we truly understand this?

When we read or hear about the economic downturn, there’s a tendency to assume that the whole country is in this together; that fictional CEO, Reginald Bottomtooth, is taking a loss just like Johnny Punchclock. This is not true, and even if Reginald Bottomtooth did take a loss, then his big pain might be removing his kid from an elite private school or only taking two months of vacation time. When people say the middle class is shrinking, what they mean is the poor are getting poorer. But money doesn’t just disappear. Dollars don’t magically evaporate. There are people happily making heaps of dough, and the poorer and more desperate we become, the richer they get.

The harder the times, the more likely you are to let some factory take advantage of you. We’re told we’re lucky to have jobs in this economy, so we’re less likely to complain to that Johnson Controls manager that were tired and running on empty from working 12-hour shifts, 7 days a week, for a month straight. We get time-and-a-half because there are laws in place to keep companies from completely picking your bones, but what then? We take the one day off we have that month and take our families out and try to enjoy our lives. That means buying stuff, traveling and putting money back into the economy.

The average American CEO makes over 400 times more money that the average worker. They’re the ones getting the tax benefits.
Since they have the money, they’re the ones controlling the political landscape. They’re the ones that tax loopholes are designed for because they’re the so-called “job creators.” Venture capitalist, Nick Hanauer, gave a mediocre TED talk earlier this year that had a very good central theme that businesses do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. And we create demand. Then why do we act as if we are powerless? Why do we consistently vote against our own interests when it comes to taxes, health care, conservation and education?
Conservative millionaire politicians do not relate to the average American, so how do they get elected? Mitt Romney’s wife receives a tax deduction on her dressage horse that doubles the annual salary of the average American worker. The super wealthy can anonymously donate as much money to political campaigns as they see fit, and they are donating to the politicians that will give their companies the longest leash. On the flip side, these same politicians are the ones pushing for stricter voter ID laws because they fear anonymous voters but not anonymous money. And the voters who are least likely to have government issued IDs are poor minorities, which is not coincidentally the people who are least likely to vote for them.

The United States is not becoming a plutocracy, it is a plutocracy. Our lives and our politics are being dictated by the wealthiest people in the country. We need real campaign finance reform because money is polluting our system from top to bottom. Running for office without buckets of money is nearly impossible. And we need to stop imagining that the best politician for the job is the one who will do the least.
It is very odd that you choose to cite all of the wealthy as benefitting only from conservative policies, since the liberal policy of income redistribution makes paying those lower wages a viable option. A McJob (low wages for low-skilled labor) is now being supplemented by both reduced FIT rate (zero or negative via EITC) and various federal/state social "safety net" programs. If you think that liberal politicins lack the backing of the rich and powerful them you are seriously kidding yourself.
 

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The Murfreesboro Pulse » Gagflex: Losing the Class War


If you are in the middle or lower-middle class, then it’s possible that your status will remain that way, but it’s more likely that you’ll lose that status. If you’re already poor. then it’s highly likely that you will remain poor. Of course, there are great stories of people overcoming poverty to become great financial success stories, but it’s rare and is getter rarer. We may occasionally see economic wonks on the news tell us about how the middle class is shrinking, but do we truly understand this?

When we read or hear about the economic downturn, there’s a tendency to assume that the whole country is in this together; that fictional CEO, Reginald Bottomtooth, is taking a loss just like Johnny Punchclock. This is not true, and even if Reginald Bottomtooth did take a loss, then his big pain might be removing his kid from an elite private school or only taking two months of vacation time. When people say the middle class is shrinking, what they mean is the poor are getting poorer. But money doesn’t just disappear. Dollars don’t magically evaporate. There are people happily making heaps of dough, and the poorer and more desperate we become, the richer they get.

The harder the times, the more likely you are to let some factory take advantage of you. We’re told we’re lucky to have jobs in this economy, so we’re less likely to complain to that Johnson Controls manager that were tired and running on empty from working 12-hour shifts, 7 days a week, for a month straight. We get time-and-a-half because there are laws in place to keep companies from completely picking your bones, but what then? We take the one day off we have that month and take our families out and try to enjoy our lives. That means buying stuff, traveling and putting money back into the economy.

The average American CEO makes over 400 times more money that the average worker. They’re the ones getting the tax benefits.
Since they have the money, they’re the ones controlling the political landscape. They’re the ones that tax loopholes are designed for because they’re the so-called “job creators.” Venture capitalist, Nick Hanauer, gave a mediocre TED talk earlier this year that had a very good central theme that businesses do not create jobs. Demand creates jobs. And we create demand. Then why do we act as if we are powerless? Why do we consistently vote against our own interests when it comes to taxes, health care, conservation and education?
Conservative millionaire politicians do not relate to the average American, so how do they get elected? Mitt Romney’s wife receives a tax deduction on her dressage horse that doubles the annual salary of the average American worker. The super wealthy can anonymously donate as much money to political campaigns as they see fit, and they are donating to the politicians that will give their companies the longest leash. On the flip side, these same politicians are the ones pushing for stricter voter ID laws because they fear anonymous voters but not anonymous money. And the voters who are least likely to have government issued IDs are poor minorities, which is not coincidentally the people who are least likely to vote for them.

The United States is not becoming a plutocracy, it is a plutocracy. Our lives and our politics are being dictated by the wealthiest people in the country. We need real campaign finance reform because money is polluting our system from top to bottom. Running for office without buckets of money is nearly impossible. And we need to stop imagining that the best politician for the job is the one who will do the least.
It is very odd that you choose to cite all of the wealthy as benefitting only from conservative policies, since the liberal policy of income redistribution makes paying those lower wages a viable option. A McJob (low wages for low-skilled labor) is now being supplemented by both reduced FIT rate (zero or negative via EITC) and various federal/state social "safety net" programs. If you think that liberal politicins lack the backing of the rich and powerful them you are seriously kidding yourself.
 

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It is very odd that you choose to cite all of the wealthy as benefitting only from conservative policies, since the liberal policy of income redistribution makes paying those lower wages a viable option. A McJob (low wages for low-skilled labor) is now being supplemented by both reduced FIT rate (zero or negative via EITC) and various federal/state social "safety net" programs. If you think that liberal politicins lack the backing of the rich and powerful them you are seriously kidding yourself.
It all started when Reagan slashed tax rates for the wealthy to the lowest they had been in 50 years....the rest is easy:



 

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It all started when Reagan slashed tax rates for the wealthy to the lowest they had been in 50 years....the rest is easy:



Yep. That mean old gov't that allowed folks to keep more of the money that they earned is to blame, while spending ever more of it to keep their positions of power. Note that over 90% of congress critters kept their jobs after the 2102 elections. ;)
 

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Yep. That mean old gov't that allowed folks to keep more of the money that they earned is to blame, while spending ever more of it to keep their positions of power. Note that over 90% of congress critters kept their jobs after the 2102 elections. ;)
By GAWD it ain't rocket science.

Ronald Reagan started the path to destruction of the middle class and creation of a Lord/Serf society and the Bushes kept it going. Pay particular attention on the chart to where the upper 1% were headed at the end of the Clinton terms(He Left An Unemployment Rate Of 4.3%) and just before George Bush cut taxes again...not once but twice in 2001 and 2003...Bush left the economy wrecked and bleeding 700,000 jobs a month.

 

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I always chose the lord path, not the serf path.

Does that make me a bad person?
 

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I always chose the lord path, not the serf path.

Does that make me a bad person?
Sounds like Republican bull**** to me. I've heard their mantra. "Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps Even If You Have No Legs"..... "I've Got Mine, Now You Get Yours"..... "Don't Get Sick"..... "If You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly"
 

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Yeah, that's me. A-Number One Republican.

Sounds like the whining of a loser to me. I've heard that manta "gimme, gimme, gimme" "my boss makes too much money" "honey, did the food stamps come in yet?":



Sounds like Republican bull**** to me. I've heard their mantra. "Pull Yourself Up By Your Bootstraps Even If You Have No Legs"..... "I've Got Mine, Now You Get Yours"..... "Don't Get Sick"..... "If You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly"
 

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Yeah, that's me. A-Number One Republican.

Sounds like the whining of a loser to me. I've heard that manta "gimme, gimme, gimme" "my boss makes too much money" "honey, did the food stamps come in yet?":
Like I said.....

Very few Republicans live in the real world. They have a hermetically sealed bubble and they're in there with Fox News. That's just fine except in the future the only way they might win an election is by cheating, gerrymandering or figuring out a way to keep Democrats from voting. They're working hard on all three.
 

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...and this matters to me why? Because you decided I must be a Republican because I'd prefer to be the owner instead of the worker?

Don't worry. I hold both parties in near equal disrespect. 8 years of Bush, 4.5 of Obama and still...imgres.jpeg ..the same sad song.


Like I said.....

Very few Republicans live in the real world. They have a hermetically sealed bubble and they're in there with Fox News. That's just fine except in the future the only way they might win an election is by cheating, gerrymandering or figuring out a way to keep Democrats from voting. They're working hard on all three.
 

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...and this matters to me why? Because you decided I must be a Republican because I'd prefer to be the owner instead of the worker?

Don't worry. I hold both parties in near equal disrespect. 8 years of Bush, 4.5 of Obama and still...View attachment 67151466 ..the same sad song.
The same old sad song is that George W. Bush assumed an unemployment rate of 4.3%, a balanced budget with surpluses projected to the out years and a plan in place to completely pay off the national debt by 2012. He immediately cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democrat opposition, started two wars...one totally unnecessary, doubled the national debt, wrecked the economy, handed the most powerful financial institutions in the world nearly a trillion dollars with no specification on how they were to use it, left conditions so that the job loss was averaging 750,000 jobs a month. What a good King....course the Prince shot one of his closest friends in the face with a shotgun so what can you expect.
 

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What is the most interesting about this particular thread is that, OP is basically saying what every right winger, conservative Libertarians, republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Progressives have been saying for years. The Right wants just as much for Unions (with their massive Cash follow) or George Soros of the world not influence the elections as much as left wants David Kochs of the world to stop buying elected representatives. And remember how most of you feel about carrier politicians....

And yet we attack the Messenger, even though most of agree with the message.


In the immortal words of Mr Spock..."Fascinating!"

Diving Mullah
 

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What is the most interesting about this particular thread is that, OP is basically saying what every right winger, conservative Libertarians, republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Progressives have been saying for years. The Right wants just as much for Unions (with their massive Cash follow) or George Soros of the world not influence the elections as much as left wants David Kochs of the world to stop buying elected representatives. And remember how most of you feel about carrier politicians....

And yet we attack the Messenger, even though most of agree with the message.


In the immortal words of Mr Spock..."Fascinating!"

Diving Mullah
All things considered...for the last thirty years there is one group having their way...the top tier.



 
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