OldWorldOrder
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No, it's not. It's a religious belief. It's not demographic. It's not socio-economic. It's not political. It's about the religious nature of the belief itself. That's a religious belief.
You say it's not, because you demand that everyone see you as non-religious. I don't care what you demand. What you think of as true is not the only perspective on the planet (which makes it even more hilarious that you say you have no beliefs, only things you know and things you don't). But you need to understand that just because you think something doesn't make it true. Wrap your mind around it. Eventually? Embrace it.
Right now? You're wrong.
And I have no issue saying that, because you're so, so, so convinced that your viewpoint is the only correct one that it's fun to throw your own certainty back in your face.
It sounds like you really, really need to be right.
Oh, for sure. I'm the one arguing that I don't have a belief for days upon days and pages upon pages.
no...if anything it is a]No, it's not. It's a religious belief. It's not demographic. It's not socio-economic. It's not political. It's about the religious nature of the belief itself. That's a religious belief.
You say it's not, because you demand that everyone see you as non-religious. I don't care what you demand. What you think of as true is not the only perspective on the planet (which makes it even more hilarious that you say you have no beliefs, only things you know and things you don't). But you need to understand that just because you think something doesn't make it true. Wrap your mind around it. Eventually? Embrace it.
Right now? You're wrong.
And I have no issue saying that, because you're so, so, so convinced that your viewpoint is the only correct one that it's fun to throw your own certainty back in your face.
I gotta wonder how many rational people consider rejecting a belief in a God(s) to be a religion unto itself.
You're right. We've already established that it's a religious belief.
Basically. It's part of their culture, but nothing really more. Do you consider the guy that goes to church once a year with his family for a holiday "religious", if it never broaches his mind otherwise? Why or why not?
If you can't be precise in what you communicate, you aren't actually communicating anything to debate. Please try again.Arguably. Arguably not.
But that question has been answered. Again, it is as follows.The question is whether you believe there's something outside of this reality. Or you believe you just don't know.
Atheism is as close to a religion as one can get without being a religion. Like, for example, Taurus and Sable cars. Atheism is, however, a belief. It's an ideology.Huh? You just agreed with me and said I was wrong.
I don't have a belief.
Atheism is as close to a religion as one can get without being a religion. Like, for example, Taurus and Sable cars. Atheism is, however, a belief. It's an ideology.
IMO, the reason why religion isn't allowed in American law is because some people would be offended if religion was allowed in American law. What would happen if Christians in America showed offense (in the way of law suits) if religion wasn't allowed in American law? I ponder this because there's nothing in the Constitution preventing this from happening.
According to OldWorldOrder, that's a religion....
Atheism is, however, a belief. It's an ideology.
1.
a system of ideas and ideals, esp. one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
"the ideology of republicanism"
synonyms: beliefs, ideas, ideals, principles, ethics, morals; More
a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture
b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture
c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program
i·de·ol·o·gy (d-l-j, d-)
n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies
1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.
I also pointed out every ideology is allowed in American law except religion even though there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents religion from being in American law.
IMO, the reason why religion isn't allowed in American law is because some people would be offended if religion was allowed in American law.
Wrong interpretation. The Founding Fathers meant gov't shouldn't elect one religion as the gov't religion, as it was in England, and was the reason why Pilgrims came to the New World.... to be allowed to practice their own religious beliefs without gov't persecution.. Do you recall some of the laws during the time of the Pilgrims in the New World? The Founding Fathers were, in the religion portion of the 1st amendment of the Constitution, saying that the legal practices of the Pilgrims pertaining to religion were OK, but the legal practices of religion pertaining to the gov't of England WEREN'T OK. OK?It's not a belief, it's a lack of belief. Try again.
The reason religion isn't allowed in American law is because the founding fathers were afraid of America turning into another England of the era. That's why they declared American government to be secular. Too bad it hasn't stayed that way.
Wrong interpretation. The Founding Fathers meant gov't shouldn't elect one religion as the gov't religion, as it was in England, and was the reason why Pilgrims came to the New World.... to be allowed to practice their own religious beliefs without gov't persecution.. Do you recall some of the laws during the time of the Pilgrims in the New World? The Founding Fathers were, in the religion portion of the 1st amendment of the Constitution, saying that the legal practices of the Pilgrims pertaining to religion were OK, but the legal practices of religion pertaining to the gov't of England WEREN'T OK. OK?
And finally, an ideology, as atheism is, is a belief... No? Prove there's no God.
Lack of belief in, for example, abortion = belief..
Lack of belief in, for example, creationism, = belief... Figure it out.
What is the underlying principle(s) of an atheist ideology, or belief?
Well, one would be there's no God.
A second, using my own interpretations, is God should be entirely left out of gov't.
Do you, then, agree that the Framers intended to allow religion in American gov't, and it's organizations like the Atheists, who've successfully been able in some areas of American gov't to eliminate religion from American gov't, that have supplanted the desires of the Framers when it came to religion in American gov't?
Atheism is an organized set of beliefs. Why do some people twist the meaning of belief and ideology to disagree that atheism is one? I don't know, is it because atheism is very close (but not) to being a religion and they're uncomfortable with that?
Atheism involves more than one belief, or disbelief. Atheism is an organized set of beliefs. I've mentioned 2 beliefs pertaining to the atheist faith in a previous post... and I'm not atheist.
Lack of belief in abortion or creationism stems from a system of beliefs - from an ideology. Don't you agree that some don't agree with abortion because of their religious faith? Duh? Don't you think that some don't agree with creationism because of their lack of religious beliefs? Duh?
A second, using my own interpretations, is God should be entirely left out of gov't.
That proof certainly ISN'T evident In the religion portion of the 1st amendment.No. That's been demonstrated, repeatedly. They were worried about the kinds of abuses in power that were seen in the few religious colonies in early America. That's why they put the 1st Amendment in there.
Want more? Read this link
Is James Madison Still Speaking to Us About Religious Freedom? - VFH – Virginia Foundation for the Humanities
The third to last paragraph (if you include the thankyou) refers to Madison's belief in the separation of church and state, defined by Jefferson's SCOTUS as the absolute removal of religion from gov't. This is an, IMO, incorrect interpretation by the link's writers (and Jefferson's SCOTUS) of Madison's intentions. First and foremost according to Madison, no one religon was to be the state religion. Religious freedom meant anyone could practice their religious beliefs without gov't interference. In other words, in lets say today's public school setting (currently governed by gov't), the Christian could practice their religious beliefs, the Muslim theirs, the Jew theirs, the Atheist theirs, etc. No one would be prevented by gov't from religious freedom.
What if there were still Aztecs and Incans running around? Could they rip the hearts out of people for their religion? The fact is, no freedom is ever unlimited, not even religious freedom. Religion has no place in schools. If you want to pray, do it quietly. Nobody can stop you. You just can't make a show of it. It's only the people who want to make a spectacle of it that have problems.
So is Christianity, like atheism, not an ideology, and only the singular belief that Jesus was the son of God?
Satheism is an ideology - a set of doctrines or beliefs that forms the basis for one's policy. Someone's ideology doesn't have to be religious... Look up the word ideology, why don't you?
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