Is Alec Baldwin guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

[trouble13]

If you were on the jury would you convict him?

 

[Davin]

If you were on the jury would you convict him?

Would need to see the evidence. As producer he has responsilbities and whether those were neglected remains to be seen. I still maintain "don't know" which is not an option.

 

[trouble13]

Given what we know I would convict him for pointing a loaded weapon at someone and pulling the trigger. It was not an accident. It was negligence on his part.

 

[trouble13]

Would need to see the evidence. As producer he has responsilbities and whether those were neglected remains to be seen. I still maintain "don't know" which is not an option.

No fence sitting. If you have a reasonable doubt it's not guilty

 

[Slartibartfast]

There’s not enough information available to make a decision one way or another.

 

[Josie]

It's incredibly stupid to make a decision without hearing all of the evidence. /thread

 

[Red_Dave]

If you were on the jury would you convict him?

Wouldn´t the duty of care here be in the hands of the person responsible for handling/ maintaining the guns and not Baldwin himself?

 

[noonereal]

Would need to see the evidence. As producer he has responsilbities and whether those were neglected remains to be seen. I still maintain "don't know" which is not an option.

The poll question was clear, "given what we know."
Just ansewer the damned question as poised.
Good grief, we all need to see the evidence to render a final opinion. Again, that is not what was asked

 

[roberthughey]

Wouldn´t the duty of care here be in the hands of the person responsible for handling/ maintaining the guns and not Baldwin himself?

Why Santa Fe district attorney decided to charge Alec Baldwin over 'Rust' shooting | CNN

Actor Alec Baldwin will be charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of cinematographer  Halyna Hutchins on the set of the Western movie "Rust," as will the armorer who oversaw all weapons used in the production.

www.cnn.com

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Would I find Alec Baldwin guilty?

Ummm, without seeing the evidence? Without hearing the arguments? Without sitting through the trial first? I am asked to make a judgement call??

Wake me up when the trial is over and we have seen the evidence and heard the arguments. SHEESH.

 

[trouble13]

Wouldn´t the duty of care here be in the hands of the person responsible for handling/ maintaining the guns and not Baldwin himself?

Yes it would be but it is his responsibility to check the gun before pulling the trigger. Imo that's on him, nobody else

 

[trouble13]

There’s not enough information available to make a decision one way or another.

That's why I asked it as given what we know

 

[trouble13]

It's incredibly stupid to make a decision without hearing all of the evidence. /thread

It's called a discussion

 

[JMB802]

Yes it would be but it is his responsibility to check the gun before pulling the trigger. Imo that's on him, nobody else

Says who? If a prop guy hands you a prop, why can't you assume it's a prop?

That being said, I do remember reading somewhere that there is a protocol on movie sets that you shouldn't point a prop gun at someone and press the trigger.

Baldwin says he cocked the hammer but did not press the trigger

 

[Noodlegawd]

The poll question was clear, "given what we know."
Just ansewer the damned question as poised.
Good grief, we all need to see the evidence to render a final opinion. Again, that is not what was asked

What "we know" is not the same as what I know.

 

[Daisy]

Whomever placed the bullet in the prop gun is guilty...AB's mistake was trusting whoever is responsible for props...

 

[trouble13]

Says who? If a prop guy hands you a prop, why can't you assume it isn't a prop?

That being said, I do remember reading somewhere that there is a protocol on movie sets that you shouldn't point a prop gun at someone and press the trigger.

Baldwin says he cocked the hammer but did not press the trigger

Are you saying that you believe he did not realize the gun was capable of firing bullets do he didn't guilty and that you believe the gun could of went off by itself even though it was in his hand at the time?

 

[switt]

Yes, unfortunately

 

[JMB802]

Are you saying that you believe he did not realize the gun was capable of firing bullets do he didn't guilty and that you believe the gun could of went off by itself even though it was in his hand at the time?

LOL, no.

I asked you why he shouldn't have been able to assume the gun was a prop. You declared it was his responsibility because he didn't check if it was a real gun.

 

[trouble13]

What "we know" is not the same as what I know.

Seriously
I can't believe the way some of you are over complicating this.

I posed the question because I thought it would be an interesting discussion about liability.

 

[trouble13]

Whomever placed the bullet in the prop gun is guilty...AB's mistake was trusting whoever is responsible for props...

Could more than 1 person be held liable ?

 

[TheGoverness]

If you were on the jury would you convict him?

There's not enough evidence to make a determination one way or the other.

This whole debacle is missing critical information that I would need to make such a conclusion.

 

[multivita-man]

If you were on the jury would you convict him?

Wait until we have all the evidence maybe?

I loved his Trump skits, but Baldwin is also a well-documented asshole. I think that qualifies me to be a fair and impartial juror, lol

 

[Mr Person]

If you were on the jury would you convict him?

Anyone member stuff like...

Presumption of innonence and beyond a reasonable doubt work together in symmetry

or

Why didn't Mueller indict him if what he did was a crime?

Because he said he didn't think he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they had a general knowledge that what they were doing was against the law.

In other words he felt he could not meet the burden of proof required. What does that tell you?

or

Well, except they almost certainly cannot charge Trump with a criminal offense while in office. Once he's out, yes.

Meanwhile, impeachment is a political process not subject to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Despite the constitution's reference to "high crimes and misdemeanors", a President could be removed from office because congress didn't like his face and nothing could be done about it.

Your absolutely technically correct about the level of the burden of proof to convict. I will begrudgingly concede that point to you. Only begrudgingly because I put treason on the same level as murder

Yet you asked whether we think he should be convicted here. How could we possibly judge? The evidence has not been introduced. We can blab about our feelings about it, but nobody should be saying he should be convicted.

 

[multivita-man]

Could more than 1 person be held liable ?

Seems like it, considering two are being charged