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Affirmative Action, and other programs like it are, IMO, the cause of much of the racism in this nation today.
The Mark said:Affirmative Action, and other programs like it are, IMO, the cause of much of the racism in this nation today.
The Mark said:Affirmative Action, and other programs like it are, IMO, the cause of much of the racism in this nation today.
FiremanRyan said:i think its pretty well agreed upon by both sides that affirmative action is a dated program thats doing nothing but hurting our country and further fueling the fire of racism. it devalues the hard work of minorities and basically tells the rest of the country that they need the bar lowered for them to succeed. at the same time it undermines the merit of qualified whites, and in many cases, asian americans who lose out on jobs and school spots because of their race.
like i say in every affirmative action thread, i dont think its a completely doomed program, just one that needs reformation. rather than focusing on race, it should be used to help those of low socioeconomic status compete on the same level as the rest of us, regardless of race.
alphamale said:"Affirmative action" has always been outrageous. It makes white people who are utterly not responsible for anything in the past pay a heavy price because of the color of their skin (white).
The world is becoming much more competitive, and we can't afford these self-imposed irrational constraints, or we are going to decline as a country. Here's a list of the least of what has to be dealt with, but is not because of political cowardice.
alphamale said:1. An end to government sponsored racial discrimination.
alphamale said:2. A thorough-going reform of the federal judiciary, especially the supreme court, and reining in the tort lawyer predators, in order to re-establish the rule of law.
alphamale said:3. An end to massive illegal immigration.
alphamale said:4. Abolish the public school system, with its wretched results, and demand high standards and an end to grade inflation in secondary and tertiary schools.
Aryan Imperium said:"Affirmative Action" or "Positive Discrimination" as it is known in Europe are means by which self hating whites can elevate aliens into positions of power and influence in Aryan countries.
It is a disgrace and treasonous to the Aryan race.
The Mark said:Woah......:roll:
Just letting everyone know that while I am against Affirmative Action, I am in no way racist.
In fact, I never think about someones race when talking about them, unless the discussion is about race.
Because to me, race has no bearing whatsoever on who someone is and how good they are.
It's just.....not important.
Aryan Imperium said:It is pretty "important" to those leaches in the race industry who make big bucks out of setting themselves up as "community leaders" or "spokesmen".
Aryan Imperium said:The Mark said:But if everyone, including yourself, thought this way, there would be no place for, as you say, "race based community leaders, etc".
Mainly because, if race mattered to no one, then there would be no place for advocates of one race in particular.
These people exist because of multiculturalism and the subservience of the host Aryan populations and their limp wristed politicians.
Aryan Imperium said:The Mark said:I mean, if someone sees someone else and immediately thinks "Other race!!!! BAD!!!", or something to that effect, it obviously restricts the efficiant function of society.
Over simplistic.It is not a case of viewing those of different race as "bad".It is a case of the biological survival of my race.
Aryan Imperium said:The Mark said:We are all of the same race.....Human. There should be no government forms, ever, that have a box to put your race in.....and if there is one, you should have the option to put "human" in.
Like your pc comrades you contradict yourself.You refer to issues surrounding the race problem,using the term yourself and then make such a lame and ridiculous statement that there is only "one" race.
Aryan Imperium said:The Mark said:In fact, there should be no forms, anywhere, for any reason, that have a box to enter your race in.
Ethic monitoring exists in order that institutions policies on "equal opportunities" may be measured for their effectiveness.I would have assumed that you would have been in favour of that?
The Mark said:Ok, if you think so, but it sounds crazy to me....although I will admit that alot of the politicians are "limp wristed".
Then it has to stop, if the human race is going to survive.
I do not contradict myself. You have just misunderstood the point I was trying to get across. Of course I refered to issues surrounding the race problems, but what I was trying to say was that if everyone believed that their were no races except one, which is true, then there would BE no race problems......how could there be?
I am in no way in favor of institutions that force "equal opportunities" on people. I think that for any institution to use the fictionary "race" as a discriptor for qualification for anything promotes the fiction of there being multiple "races".
Aryan Imperium said:Wishing or believing that there is one human race does not make it true.
Observation tells you otherwise.
The Mark said:Please explain to me how observation tells you that their are multiple races.
I have observed multiple people over my short lifetime, and have come to the conclusion that there is only one race. Just different backgrounds. If everyone had the same exact background, we would be very much alike.
Aryan Imperium said:"Backgrounds"??
So you can discern no difference at all between a rose and a tulip,an alsatian and a corgi,a sparrow and a finch,a tiger and a lion,a shark and a golfish?
Do you accept that if other animals,birds and fish can have many sub groups then why should humanity be any different?
The observation of our own eyes tells us that there are broad categories of humanity that share among themselves common physical characteristics.
Whether we call it race,breed,sub species or whatever is besides the point but you are deceiving yourself if by chanting the mantra "there is only one race, the human race" that it is necessarily so.
Surprisingly your mantra seems only to be chanted by white liberals whilst people of other races who recognise the truth look on and shake their heads at you in amazement.
People like you will not accept the truth of what is before them because that would require them to recognise that a particular breed,Aryan man is on the verge of extinction.They would then have the stark choice of helping to preserve the said breed as one would with any other breed or species that is under threat of extinction or participate in its genocide.
Time to stop burying your head in the sand.
The Mark said:Hmm, how to respond......
A few points first. I am not a liberal. Or, at least I think that I am not. I consider myself a slightly conservative moderate.
Secondly, of course I can discern differences between different animals, etc. Both external and internal.
And now to address one of the harder questions you have brought up in my mind.
I can indeed see both external and internal differences between individual persons, or even groups of persons. These could be construed as "sub-races", much like the different sub-species of bird are used to divide up the avian species. However, the comparison is not accurate, IMO, because the avian species has a far lower mental capacity. They react on instinct, not thought.
The Human species, on the other hand, is capable of complex mental processes. We can see that there are most definitely different colored and shaped persons out there, but while it organises things to have different sub-races, some of us realize that the physical differences do not really matter.
Quite a few of us are capable of working together, regardless of what we look like, because at least some of us realize that the only real restriction on what someone can do is their willingness to persue it. We may look different, but I know that all of us could accomplish a task if we set our mind to it. Maybe in different ways, and maybe it would take longer, but that doesn't mean we are of a totally different race, just different......as each individual is, compared to any other individual.
This may not make sense to all, but as I pointed out, each of us is an individual, so we are intitled to our own beliefs (at least that is my belief, lol).
alphamale said:1. An end to government sponsored racial discrimination.
alphamale said:2. A thorough-going reform of the federal judiciary, especially the supreme court, and reining in the tort lawyer predators, in order to re-establish the rule of law.
alphamale said:3. An end to massive illegal immigration.
alphamale said:4. Abolish the public school system, with its wretched results, and demand high standards and an end to grade inflation in secondary and tertiary schools.
Aryan Imperium said:Good, I am glad that you now recognize that races do exist.
Aryan Imperium said:However the real point of issue is whether you regard race as important. Clearly you do not.
Aryan Imperium said:People of the same race are bound together by blood as is a folk nation, ethnic group or family etc. The lands of the Aryan race are under threat by invasion of alien peoples. We are losing our territorial imperative, our Lebensraum. If we lose our land then we will eventually lose our identity and our very biological existence will be called into question.
Aryan Imperium said:If you truly value "diversity" then you must recognize that the Aryan race, no less than any other has a natural right to use whatever means are at its disposal to ensure its continuing existence.
This is not a matter of "white supremacy" but WHITE SURVIVAL.
TurtleDude said:affirmative action was never really applied properly. A proper vision of affirmative action would be to measure the talent of the individual not the pristine numbers alone. An example would involve say two athletes being recruited for a major college tennis team
Athlete number one is the son of a millionaire-has his own private indoor court and a coach that lives at the estate and he wins the state championship
Athlete number two is a poor inner city or farm boy who plays on his HS team and practices when he can at a run down public outdoor court. He finishes 8th in the HS state tournament
Now a wise coach might well conclude that had athlete #2 had a private coach he might have been a far better player than the first guy and with the advantages of the major college varsity program behind him he might be the better player in the long run because the first kid might have maxed out his talent
Unfortunately that isn't how it works. I went to College with a black guy whose father was a Law professor at a very good law school in NY. This boy had gone to the top jesuit school in Albany-then on to Exeter Academy than to Yale. He had a 3.4 and a 690 LSAT and he got into Yale Law school while lots of us white guys with similar backgrounds with 3.7 and 750+ boards didn't. The admissions office at Yale Law saw BLACK and that was all that mattered-plus since this guy didn't implode at Exeter or Yale College, they figured he wasn't going to flunk out. One of the guys I knew who didn't get into a top graduate school was a French-Canadian fellow whose family had moved to New England a few generations ago. He was the first person in his family to ever go to college-his entire extended family (Dairy farmers) all chipped in savings so this guy could afford college without going into debt. He graduated first in his class in a rural HS and had 1400 SAT's and graduated college with a 3.6. He was far more deserving of "affirmative action" than a guy who had gone to exeter.
Aryan Imperium said:It is pretty "important" to those leaches in the race industry who make big bucks out of setting themselves up as "community leaders" or "spokesmen".