Is abstinence only a realistic way of teaching sex education? (1 Viewer)

[Cremaster77]

More than nine out of 10 Americans, men and women alike, have had premarital sex, according to a new study. The high rates extend even to women born in the 1940s, challenging perceptions that people were more chaste in the past.

So, now that we have even more data showing that for the past half century, the vast majority of people engage in premarital sex, who thinks teaching abstinence at the exclusion of other methods of protection is still a good and REALISTIC idea?

 

[SpooK]

From your link.

"It would be more effective," Finer said, "to provide young people with the skills and information they need to be safe once they become sexually active — which nearly everyone eventually will."

I agree with this completely. I certainly think that there is nothing wrong with teaching abstinance, however it should not be the only sexual eduation provided. I dont really think the study was needed to determine the fact that a hell of a lot of people have premarital sex. You can preach abstinance until your blue in the face, but if people decide to accept the risks and engage in sex, what help have you given them? Not much.

 

[dragonslayer]

The situation depends on what you are trying to teach, who you are trying to teach, and why you are trying to teach a particular thing.

I believe there is real value in abstinence. People don't usually get aids and die. The might be accomplished with condoms, but culturally in the USA and abroad real men don't use condems and would rather die and kill their wives and children.

 

[Caine]

The situation depends on what you are trying to teach, who you are trying to teach, and why you are trying to teach a particular thing.

I believe there is real value in abstinence. People don't usually get aids and die. The might be accomplished with condoms, but culturally in the USA and abroad real men don't use condems and would rather die and kill their wives and children.

HuH?

I think you have gone mad

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

No, it is not.

Our culture neither requires nor expects young men and women to be chaste until marriage, despite the repulsive and perverse "morality" of the people behind the push for abstinence-only education.

Repeated and credible scientific studies have shown, again and again and again, that while abstinence-only education manages to delay the onset of sexual activity by several months on average, the lack of accurate information-- not to mention the outright disinformation-- about contraceptives and prophylactics leads these young men and women to be far less likely to make use of them when they do, inevitably, become sexually active.

This contributes to higher rates of unwed (and teenaged) pregnancy and infection of sexually-transmitted diseases for students in abstinence-only programs than those enrolled in proper sex education.

This trade-off is only acceptable to people ignorant of these studies-- willfully or otherwise-- and people whose interest lies more in young adults' ideological purity than their health and well-being.

 

[Navy Pride]

Its really a catch 22 situation..............You want young people to practice abstinence but you know some won't and you offer them Condoms and in the minds of a lot of young people its like condoning them having sex.....

 

[GarzaUK]

Its really a catch 22 situation..............You want young people to practice abstinence but you know some won't and you offer them Condoms and in the minds of a lot of young people its like condoning them having sex.....

It almost sounds like you consider sex to be an immoral thing NP? And I know alot of "young people" who have sex more responsibly than some "adults". Its crazy that a boy or girl is not sexually responsible at 17 years 344 days and then the next day at 18 be sexually responsible (sexual awareness or responsibiltiy is not a light switch).

Young people will always have sex, they have been doing it since the dawn of man. Christainity made sex into an ugly thing, even though the bible is rife with it.

Like with any good thing in life we should teach children to enjoy it "responsibly". And that is teaching them how to practice safe sex and leave the decision when to have it up to them. Abstinence IMO is the height of naivety.

 

[Navy Pride]

It almost sounds like you consider sex to be an immoral thing NP? And I know alot of "young people" who have sex more responsibly than some "adults". Its crazy that a boy or girl is not sexually responsible at 17 years 344 days and then the next day at 18 be sexually responsible (sexual awareness or responsibiltiy is not a light switch).

Young people will always have sex, they have been doing it since the dawn of man. Christainity made sex into an ugly thing, even though the bible is rife with it.

Like with any good thing in life we should teach children to enjoy it "responsibly". And that is teaching them how to practice safe sex and leave the decision when to have it up to them. Abstinence IMO is the height of naivety.

I am old fashioned my left wing friend.........I believe young people should wait until they are married before they engage in sexual intercourse......

 

[Caine]

I am old fashioned my left wing friend.........I believe young people should wait until they are married before they engage in sexual intercourse......

So, is that what you did Navy Pride?

 

[GarzaUK]

I am old fashioned my left wing friend.........I believe young people should wait until they are married before they engage in sexual intercourse......

Not everyone is old fashioned. And for you to expect them to be is naivety. What is wrong with teaching that responsible sex is okay? If you tell them not to do it, when the inevitably give in to their natural urges, they won't know how to practice safe sex.

Why does sex have to be a taboo? Its necessary for life, it is natural.

 

[Navy Pride]

So, is that what you did Navy Pride?

Your getting personal again...........You know what happened the last time you did that.........

 

[GarzaUK]

For example. The Netherlands have probably the most liberal policies on earth regarding sex. Legal age is 14, parents talk about sex over the dinner table with their kids. Kids are taught about sex from an early age.

The Netherlands has one of the lowest child pregnency rates in the world.
The Netherlands has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world.

They have sex of course. They just know to handle it better because they are prepared for it.

 

[Caine]

Your getting personal again...........You know what happened the last time you did that.........

I'll assume the answer is No.

And.. You got personal when you stated "I am old fasioned and I believe that.."

When you stated it because you were old fashioned, you allowed it to be personal by getting personal yourself.


The fact remains is that I asked this question for a reason.
There are so many folks who claim to be "old fashioned" and state that nobody should have sex until marriage, but they failed to do that themselves.

Making it evident that the Baby Boomer generation responsible for "abstinence only" are a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[Navy Pride]

I'll assume the answer is No.

And.. You got personal when you stated "I am old fasioned and I believe that.."

When you stated it because you were old fashioned, you allowed it to be personal by getting personal yourself.


The fact remains is that I asked this question for a reason.
There are so many folks who claim to be "old fashioned" and state that nobody should have sex until marriage, but they failed to do that themselves.

Making it evident that the Baby Boomer generation responsible for "abstinence only" are a bunch of hypocrites.

Assume what you like..........I will just say its none of your business.......

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

You want young people to practice abstinence...

I don't. Frankly, I think it's perverse.

 

[SpooK]

Its crazy that a boy or girl is not sexually responsible at 17 years 344 days and then the next day at 18 be sexually responsible (sexual awareness or responsibiltiy is not a light switch).

Hrmm. When did they decide to make it 345 days in a year instead of 365? :doh

 

[Navy Pride]

I don't. Frankly, I think it's perverse.

So your for STDs, AIDS and unwanted pregnancies huh?

 

[Navy Pride]

Hrmm. When did they decide to make it 345 days in a year instead of 365? :doh

Myabe that is how many they have in the UK......

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

So your for STDs, AIDS and unwanted pregnancies huh?

No, I am for using the only means of reducing the instances of these problems that has been proven effective-- means that you are rejecting because of your religious aversion to natural sexual behavior.

I am in favor of using contraceptives and prophylactics, and in educating young men and women about their proper and effective usage.

I should really ask you the same question, because every single study has demonstrated that abandoning proper sex education in favor of abstinence education has contributed to an increase in the rate of infection and unwanted conception.

 

[Hatuey]

So your for STDs, AIDS and unwanted pregnancies huh?

That kinda the point of telling them to use condoms. With abstinence there is really no plan B. "Dont do it". Pointe Finale.

 

[dragonslayer]

HuH?

I think you have gone mad

that one did not come across the way I wanted. Sorry

I meant to say that in parts of Africa, in SA, and among some subcultures in united states, Using a condom is not considered manly. It is one of the reason for the vast spread of aids in Africa..

 

[Caine]

that one did not come across the way I wanted. Sorry

I meant to say that in parts of Africa, in SA, and among some subcultures in united states, Using a condom is not considered manly. It is one of the reason for the vast spread of aids in Africa..

Well... that and the lack of clothing, let alone condoms.....:roll:

 

[GarzaUK]

Hrmm. When did they decide to make it 345 days in a year instead of 365? :doh

lol doh:doh , thats what i get for posting at 2ish in the morning lol

 

[mikhail]

The pope opposing artifical contraception has added to the aids problem in africa.

88% of people joining abstinence programs have been shown to end up having sex before marriage.

People who believe abstinence work has to step into the real its largely pointless for the masses.

 

[disneydude]

Assume what you like..........I will just say its none of your business.......

Funny to hear you say "its none of your business" when you are probably the biggest advocate on this board for putting your nose and trying to impose your radical views of morality into everyone elses life.

"Its none of your business"???
Then why do you want the government involved in everyone's most intimate practices? Huh?

Oh....I get it. Its no ones business when it involved YOU. But its yours and the governments business for everyone else.....typical.