Is Abortion Murder?

[goligoth]

Hi there Goli. I appreciate your words of caution to me. The fact is however, that I believe the balance of America's future lies in our ability to completely sweep this nation onto the conservative/evangelical side of things. I cannot hold back the passion for my beliefs. I see (as you probably do also) that the Democratic Party is undermining our country's security and our administration's resolve to keep us safe. The Dems and or Libs are indeed America's #1 enemy. Anyone claiming to be a Democrat has no different an ideology (in my estimation) than a liberal or a socialist. Their ideologies (when dissected) make them all an enemy of America, or comrades to our foreign enemies, or both. You certainly cannot find one thing, or one issue, or one act from a dem that actually helps America to reach it's goals, or one that secures our safety. Belittling accomplishments and adhering to a defeatist attitude of cut and run doesn't exactly espouse a sense of strength and resolve.

I suppose that was a litttle better......

 

[goligoth]

Hey Mr. Busybody, I was talking to Goli...not you. I'll bring it on my own to take a parting shot at you, if you don't mind. You're no different than any other liberal that I've had the unfortunate displeasure to deal with. When a liberal gets backed into a corner (which happens often) by shielding themself from a barrage of facts and truths--you wilt like the Wicked Witch of the Western World by choosing to 'IGNORE' rather than attempt to defend your sorry positions. Take heed teacup, it's going to be even more difficult for you to simply press the 'IGNORE' button in November of 06 and Nov of 08 when the Republicans gain even more seats in Congress and continue the Republican presidential dynasty. HeHehe!

Well the thing is I would probably vote the same way as you but you are being really really offensive with very little reason....you haven't given any liberals a second to explain why they think they are right....And I'm new to this whole 'debate on the internet' thing but these last couple posts of yours are what is described as being a troll which means that you believe you are right and that should be good enough for everyone. This website is probably about 70% liberals and you've basically just destroyed what reputation you had with 2 or 3 posts......

and good luck with attempting to sway anyone who doesn't ignore you by saying that they are destroying america.....

 

[ptsdkid]

Well the thing is I would probably vote the same way as you but you are being really really offensive with very little reason....you haven't given any liberals a second to explain why they think they are right....And I'm new to this whole 'debate on the internet' thing but these last couple posts of yours are what is described as being a troll which means that you believe you are right and that should be good enough for everyone. This website is probably about 70% liberals and you've basically just destroyed what reputation you had with 2 or 3 posts......

and good luck with attempting to sway anyone who doesn't ignore you by saying that they are destroying america.....

They may ignore me, but like I said, they can't ignore the voting outcome. Saying that I destroyed my reputation among a majority of liberals is akin to saying that George Bush has destroyed his reputation among the liberal portion of America. What's new? If you don't project your views, you either lack a backbone or you tend to waffle in the middle of the road. And if you can't decide where you stand politically by roaming in the middle of the road--chances are you're going to get hit by a Mack truck.
If it weren't for people like me pointing out to liberals their destructive policies, comments and actions--then that would mean that we republican/Conservatives are content with this daily anti-American bashing and undermining of our president and this country.
I'm not preventing liberals from airing out their views. That's what this forum is for. Either the cat has their tongue, or they're ashamed of what they stand for, or they realize they stand for nothing. I have yet to see one positive action or policy coming from minority lips. If they could just apply that 'IGNORE' policy to their own bashing of American ideals and conservative resolve--we'd all be better off. I just don't see that happening from the naysayer defeatist crowd.

 

[vergiss]

Hey, ptsdkid - if I make a loud noise behind you, will finally get lost?

 

[ptsdkid]

Hey, ptsdkid - if I make a loud noise behind you, will finally get lost?

No, if the mortar rounds in Vietnam didn't turn me into a cut and run wuss--I doubt your cowardly fart in the wind would have much affect.

 

[Caine]

No, if the mortar rounds in Vietnam didn't turn me into a cut and run wuss--I doubt your cowardly fart in the wind would have much affect.

Ummm.....They didn't turn you into a cut and run wuss?

What do people with PTSD do?

 

[vergiss]

Ummm.....They didn't turn you into a cut and run wuss?

What do people with PTSD do?

In his case, freeloads off your taxes.

 

[tecoyah]

In his case, freeloads off your taxes.

It would seem a change in Meds are in order as well.....just sayin'

 

[DeeJayH]

Ummm.....They didn't turn you into a cut and run wuss?

What do people with PTSD do?

as a PTSD endurer(is that even a word?:doh ), i know that PTSD does not affect you in wartime
it is later in 'normal life' that it acts up
you are still able to act and function, especially during high stress/emergency situations
it is when things are calm and uneventful that it rears its ugly head

 

[Stace]

as a PTSD endurer(is that even a word?:doh ), i know that PTSD does not affect you in wartime
it is later in 'normal life' that it acts up
you are still able to act and function, especially during high stress/emergency situations
it is when things are calm and uneventful that it rears its ugly head

I'm not even touching on the obvious questions here.....but I do have a friend with severe PTSD (and not as a result of war, either).....and I have to disagree with your assessment. PTSD rears its ugly head whenever it wants to, it depends on what your triggers are. I'm not completely uneducated on the subject, I may not have it myself, but I have done extensive research.

 

[ptsdkid]

To Citizen Cane, Virgil and Teacup:

Some people with PTSD carry a grudge for an entire lifetime. They tend to blame everybody for their sorry lot in life, and compensate their misery by deluging their bodies with mind and body altering and numbing anti- depressants etc. They feel further vindicated for each personal atrocity by shoveling blame out to the entire VA system, and by undermining the strong resolute defense policies of this current administration.
Other people such as myself, have made it a mission to teach other PTSD victims about the dangers involved of assuming a drug dependency on anti-depressants etc. Once these drug induced PTSD victim leeches of society open up their narrow minded heads to get a glimpse of the beacon of hope--I then send out photos of myself to them. What they will see in these current photos is a 56 year old man standing 5’10” tall weighing 200 pounds and sporting a chiseled Charles Atlas type body. A follow up note is attached stating clearly that I am the heavyweight boxing champion of the over 50 crowd at a gym in Boston, Mass. As a bonus, I enclose a small picture of me in action in the ring. At this point--I have in affect become each one’s personal inspiration and ongoing cyber mentor.
The monies I collect from Social Security are a compilation of monies I once earned while being a member of the workforce.
Monies I collect from the VA source are certainly monies I earned as being a member of a combat unit in a United States War.
I see a slight interest in this PTSD issue. Let me know if you would like to have me start a poll with something like...Can anything positive come out of having PTSD....yes or no!

TimmyKid

 

[vergiss]

So... disabled how?

 

[DeeJayH]

I'm not even touching on the obvious questions here.....but I do have a friend with severe PTSD (and not as a result of war, either).....and I have to disagree with your assessment. PTSD rears its ugly head whenever it wants to, it depends on what your triggers are. I'm not completely uneducated on the subject, I may not have it myself, but I have done extensive research.

LIAR LIAR LIAR
Pants on fire

you said you were going away for the holidays :lol:

I have never had an attack during stressful situations
afterwards sure.
But when ***** happens i am usually the one that keeps it together and is able to respond/react to the situation.
it may overwhelm me later, but at the time, in the heat of the moment, i never feel more alive

and i also did not develop PTSD due to war. Rather a series of events in my early 20's

 

[ptsdkid]

So... disabled how?

Excellent question Virgil. Don't let the wheelchair symbol on my license plate fool you. According to VA definitions, PTSD is a handicap and a disability. If you figure that since I have a 100% total and permanent disability rating for PTSD--that the VA has all the answers, and all the criteria to back up that lofty rating. There are VA handbooks that give you precise definitions as to what a 100% PTSD veteran suffers from. Too complex to go into the particulars here, without starting a new thread.

 

[vergiss]

Excellent question Virgil. Don't let the wheelchair symbol on my license plate fool you. According to VA definitions, PTSD is a handicap and a disability. If you figure that since I have a 100% total and permanent disability rating for PTSD--that the VA has all the answers, and all the criteria to back up that lofty rating. There are VA handbooks that give you precise definitions as to what a 100% PTSD veteran suffers from. Too complex to go into the particulars here, without starting a new thread.

Pft, I'm bipolar with dissociative tendencies as a result of post-traumatic stress - I don't scab off the government or take up handicapped spaces.

 

[ptsdkid]

Pft, I'm bipolar with dissociative tendencies as a result of post-traumatic stress - I don't scab off the government or take up handicapped spaces.

Good for you Virgil, I'm proud of you. Want me to send you a gold star for your societal sacrifice?

 

[vergiss]

Good for you Virgil, I'm proud of you. Want me to send you a gold star for your societal sacrifice?

No, just your money.

 

[Stace]

LIAR LIAR LIAR
Pants on fire

you said you were going away for the holidays :lol:

I have never had an attack during stressful situations
afterwards sure.
But when ***** happens i am usually the one that keeps it together and is able to respond/react to the situation.
it may overwhelm me later, but at the time, in the heat of the moment, i never feel more alive

and i also did not develop PTSD due to war. Rather a series of events in my early 20's

But I AM away for the holidays...I never said I wouldn't have internet access, I just said that I wouldn't have time to be on here as often as I am when I'm at home.

Every person with PTSD is different....perhaps it doesn't affect you during stressful situations, but that isn't necessarily true for everyone with the syndrome. That's all I'm sayin' :smile:

 

[LeftyHenry]

Tookie never admitted his wrong doing much less showed REMORSE
he was the most vile scum, and if anyone deserved the death penalty, it was him
the rest of what he did in prison was just another oppurtunistic scum doing what he thought might save his life
MURDER is a bell that can not be un-rung
He should have been put to death years ago
but he should have only died. Long torturous deaths for scum like him
and all these idiots trying to turn a multiple murderer into a hero are just that
IDIOTS

Are you stupid or something? Did you read my post before quoting me? Tookie wrote book after book about how bad gangs were he was a peace activist! In fact the evidence against Tookie came in large amounts but wasn't truly clear. He did what did 25 years ago and jail changed him. He should have been granted clemency or Life in prison without parole. It's truly retarded that one can say "hey murder is wrong so if murder someone, I'm going to murder you" its like w*f????

 

[goligoth]

If you don't project your views, you either lack a backbone or you tend to waffle in the middle of the road. And if you can't decide where you stand politically by roaming in the middle of the road--chances are you're going to get hit by a Mack truck.

I don't project my views like you do...which from what I've seen is simply attack their persons, attempt to demolish their beliefs, steam-roll over their comments, and ignore what everyone else says.

Don't simply tell them that they are wrong and then insult them.....
Tell them that they are wrong and then prove it....

 

[goligoth]

He did what did 25 years ago and jail changed him.

I agree he shouldn't have been killed but jail didn't change him....fear of death changed him...A person who did what he did isn't going to change into Mr. Rogers even after 25 years because they put him in time out...he will always have the same personality that he did when he commited all of those bad things.

 

[tecoyah]

Don't simply tell them that they are wrong and then insult them.....
Tell them that they are wrong and then prove it....

From the Mouths of Babes.............

 

[ptsdkid]

From the Mouths of Babes.............

Excuse me Goli if some of us don't think it an insult to call someone a murderer--someone that chooses to praise death over life.

 

[vergiss]

Excuse me Goli if some of us don't think it an insult to call someone a murderer--someone that chooses to praise death over life.

Oooh, yeah. Death is just so damn cool. We're all Satanic little Goth kids who watch snuff films and fantasize about killing our parents.

 

[ptsdkid]

Oooh, yeah. Death is just so damn cool. We're all Satanic little Goth kids who watch snuff films and fantasize about killing our parents.

Just because Roe v Wade is still the law of the land, doesn't mean that the murder of some 1 million people via abortion is moral or right. Virgil, so long as you and others continue to agree with this sanctioned murder--you will forever be known as one of Satin's little henchmen.