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Is a Foreign Military Intervention in Venezuela Imminent?

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Is a Foreign Military Intervention in Venezuela Imminent?

According to conventional wisdom, there should be no serious talk of foreign military intervention in Venezuela. But these aren’t conventional times. The conventional playbook would adopt a strategy of foreign coordination of the Venezuelan opposition, economic sabotage, infiltration of the military, and manipulation of popular movements against the elected government. All this is being done, however, so far, not successfully. The frustrations of the Bolivarian movement’s enemies is palpable. Does this mean intervention is imminent? And what would such an intervention look like?

We know that the Trump administration met with Venezuelan coup plotters in 2017 and the Venezuelan opposition speaks openly of its coordination with the United States government. Officials in the U.S. and internationally have repeatedly called for the Venezuelan military and business people to take power, denouncing and refusing to recognize legitimate elections, and even having the audacity to “recognize” a “new president” in Venezuela who was not elected and who has no legitimate claim to office. Recent events have included the first ever attempted coup-by-drone, in August 2018; and the January 22nd mutiny by 27 National Guard troops led by a sergeant. One might infer a sense of desperation among the enemies of the Bolivarian government.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton called Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua a “Troika of Tyranny”, but the real triple threat faced by Latin America is the alliance of ultra-right administrations from the United States, Colombia, and Brazil of Donald Trump, Iván Duque, and Jair Bolsonaro, respectively. These Oligarchs of Overthrow have Venezuela in their sight, and military intervention is clearly an option on the table where they are seated.

COMMENT:-

The bias of the article's authors is VERY evident, but the same question can be asked without the "preconceptions" since the US governments do have a record of taking the types of actions that the authors refer to.

I have no idea whether or not "Team Trump" intends to do a "Wag The Dog" or not, and don't take any position on it.

BUT, the question IS "interesting" - isn't it?
 

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Is a Foreign Military Intervention in Venezuela Imminent?

According to conventional wisdom, there should be no serious talk of foreign military intervention in Venezuela. But these aren’t conventional times. The conventional playbook would adopt a strategy of foreign coordination of the Venezuelan opposition, economic sabotage, infiltration of the military, and manipulation of popular movements against the elected government. All this is being done, however, so far, not successfully. The frustrations of the Bolivarian movement’s enemies is palpable. Does this mean intervention is imminent? And what would such an intervention look like?

We know that the Trump administration met with Venezuelan coup plotters in 2017 and the Venezuelan opposition speaks openly of its coordination with the United States government. Officials in the U.S. and internationally have repeatedly called for the Venezuelan military and business people to take power, denouncing and refusing to recognize legitimate elections, and even having the audacity to “recognize” a “new president” in Venezuela who was not elected and who has no legitimate claim to office. Recent events have included the first ever attempted coup-by-drone, in August 2018; and the January 22nd mutiny by 27 National Guard troops led by a sergeant. One might infer a sense of desperation among the enemies of the Bolivarian government.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton called Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua a “Troika of Tyranny”, but the real triple threat faced by Latin America is the alliance of ultra-right administrations from the United States, Colombia, and Brazil of Donald Trump, Iván Duque, and Jair Bolsonaro, respectively. These Oligarchs of Overthrow have Venezuela in their sight, and military intervention is clearly an option on the table where they are seated.

COMMENT:-

The bias of the article's authors is VERY evident, but the same question can be asked without the "preconceptions" since the US governments do have a record of taking the types of actions that the authors refer to.

I have no idea whether or not "Team Trump" intends to do a "Wag The Dog" or not, and don't take any position on it.

BUT, the question IS "interesting" - isn't it?

If "past is prologue" the USA will use NATO to interfere in Venezuela. Like Libya? We'll "hep' 'em out" by killing off hundred of thousands and destroying legitimate leadership. Big help?
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DaveFagan;1069598390[B said:
]If "past is prologue" the USA will use NATO to interfere in Venezuela. [/B] Like Libya? We'll "hep' 'em out" by killing off hundred of thousands and destroying legitimate leadership. Big help?
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Why would a NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organization intervene in Venezuela?
 

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Why would a NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organization intervene in Venezuela?

Why would NATO promote a South American Nation into NATO? Do your homewok.
Your problems with the truth are noted, but your steadfast mouthing noted for
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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Why would NATO promote a South American Nation into NATO? Do your homewok.
Your problems with the truth are noted, but your steadfast mouthing noted for
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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WTF are you talking about?

How can someone do "homework" when that concept only exists in your head?
 

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I don’t think so. The one redeeming quality I have found in the Trump presidency, so far, is he doesn’t seem to be much of a hawk, surprisingly enough. He will make threats, of course, but I don’t think he would send the military. I could be wrong.
 

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Is a Foreign Military Intervention in Venezuela Imminent?

I sure hope not, you would think we are tired of sending our troops around the planet to fight for people that do not like us anyway and all usually to questionable results under some other less than ideal governance we end up in bed with.

Then again, the Military Industrial Complex would welcome the news.
 

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WTF are you talking about?

How can someone do "homework" when that concept only exists in your head?

I think he is talking about Columbia, who joined NATO last year.
 

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From Venezuelanalysis

Is a Foreign Military Intervention in Venezuela Imminent?

According to conventional wisdom, there should be no serious talk of foreign military intervention in Venezuela. But these aren’t conventional times. The conventional playbook would adopt a strategy of foreign coordination of the Venezuelan opposition, economic sabotage, infiltration of the military, and manipulation of popular movements against the elected government. All this is being done, however, so far, not successfully. The frustrations of the Bolivarian movement’s enemies is palpable. Does this mean intervention is imminent? And what would such an intervention look like?

We know that the Trump administration met with Venezuelan coup plotters in 2017 and the Venezuelan opposition speaks openly of its coordination with the United States government. Officials in the U.S. and internationally have repeatedly called for the Venezuelan military and business people to take power, denouncing and refusing to recognize legitimate elections, and even having the audacity to “recognize” a “new president” in Venezuela who was not elected and who has no legitimate claim to office. Recent events have included the first ever attempted coup-by-drone, in August 2018; and the January 22nd mutiny by 27 National Guard troops led by a sergeant. One might infer a sense of desperation among the enemies of the Bolivarian government.

US National Security Advisor John Bolton called Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua a “Troika of Tyranny”, but the real triple threat faced by Latin America is the alliance of ultra-right administrations from the United States, Colombia, and Brazil of Donald Trump, Iván Duque, and Jair Bolsonaro, respectively. These Oligarchs of Overthrow have Venezuela in their sight, and military intervention is clearly an option on the table where they are seated.

COMMENT:-

The bias of the article's authors is VERY evident, but the same question can be asked without the "preconceptions" since the US governments do have a record of taking the types of actions that the authors refer to.

I have no idea whether or not "Team Trump" intends to do a "Wag The Dog" or not, and don't take any position on it.

BUT, the question IS "interesting" - isn't it?

Russian mercenaries (Wagner) are apparently already there.
 

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WTF are you talking about?

How can someone do "homework" when that concept only exists in your head?

https://www.google.com/url?url=http...1DVMQFggUMAA&usg=AOvVaw2_dyH0a7oGy4BXZd3MEpI7

"Jun 7, 2013 ... Ecuadorian Minister of Defense María Fernanda Espinosa and her Brazilian
counterpart, Celso Amorim, expressed their “concern” over ...
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Your problems with the truth are noted, but your steadfast mouthing noted for
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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https://www.google.com/url?url=http...1DVMQFggUMAA&usg=AOvVaw2_dyH0a7oGy4BXZd3MEpI7

"Jun 7, 2013 ... Ecuadorian Minister of Defense María Fernanda Espinosa and her Brazilian
counterpart, Celso Amorim, expressed their “concern” over ...
"
Your problems with the truth are noted, but your steadfast mouthing noted for
The Company line, I presume. DoD BOT!
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Ecuador, Brazil React to Colombia’s Discussions with NATO

Discussion =/= Joining

Derp

RT Bot swings and misses again.
 

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I don’t think so. The one redeeming quality I have found in the Trump presidency, so far, is he doesn’t seem to be much of a hawk, surprisingly enough. He will make threats, of course, but I don’t think he would send the military. I could be wrong.

The next Presidential election is too far down the road (and who will be running is too unclear) for a successful application of "WTD Theory" yet.
 

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And he doesn't understand why we laugh at him.

Sometimes people have difficulty with the fine distinctions between:

  1. lives on the same planet;
  2. lives on the same continent;
  3. lives in the same country;
  4. lives in the same state;
  5. lives in the same county/parish;
  6. lives in the same city;
  7. lives on the same street;
  8. lives on the same block;
  9. lives next door to;
  10. lives with;
  11. sleeps with; and
  12. is the same as;

(to use an analogy).
 

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I have just heard a petroleum expert talk on the radio.

He said that the petroleum industry has been totally devastated.

He believes that President Maduro will soon find himself escorted to the airport and wished a nice retirement.

(I agree with those posters who opine that the United States should not intervene militarily. President George Herbert Walker Bush had no business sending troops to Panama and kidnapping a leader whom he did not like.)
 

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If "past is prologue" the USA will use NATO to interfere in Venezuela. Like Libya? We'll "hep' 'em out" by killing off hundred of thousands and destroying legitimate leadership. Big help?
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The USA doesn't 'use' NATO. NATO was in Afghanistan because a member nation had been attacked.
 
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The USA doesn't 'use' NATO. NATO was in Afghanistan because a member nation had been attacked.

Libya? OBL attacked the WTC, not Afghanistan. Mullah Omar said he would deliver OBL for trial if evidence was presented. Instead, we invaded and killed bunches of people, but we increased opium production by 50 times.
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The USA doesn't 'use' NATO. NATO was in Afghanistan because a member nation had been attacked.

Afghanistan did NOT "attack a NATO nation". In fact NO country attacked a NATO nation.

Afghanistan was attacked because the Afghan government had the unmitigated gall to demand that the US government present actual evidence to back up its claims against Osama bin Laden and the US government had, at THAT time, no such evidence. (Yes, the US government was able to obtain the evidence LATER, but not at the time that it was demanding that the Afghan government [which it did not recognize] turn over Osama bin Laden to face unspecified charges based on unspecified evidence.)
 

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Libya? OBL attacked the WTC, not Afghanistan. Mullah Omar said he would deliver OBL for trial if evidence was presented. Instead, we invaded and killed bunches of people, but we increased opium production by 50 times.
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The "problem" with that offer is that the US government would have had to deal with the Afghan government as if the Afghan government was the government of Afghanistan (and that Afghanistan was an independent and sovereign state) while, at the same time complying with the usual norms of international law that one country complies with when it asks the government of another country for assistance.

Since the government of the United States of America did not "recognize" the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan, the US government simply could not deal with a government that did not exist.

However, that simply doesn't apply to Venezuela. The moment that "President Guaido" requests the US government for military assistance to "restore domestic order" then the US had full legal and moral authority to send in American troops "at the request of the government of Venezuela".

PLEASE NOTE that that would NOT be in the least bit similar to the unlawful invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians using the pretext of a so-called "request" by the so-called "government" of Afghanistan that was purportedly to "restore domestic order".
 

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The "problem" with that offer is that the US government would have had to deal with the Afghan government as if the Afghan government was the government of Afghanistan (and that Afghanistan was an independent and sovereign state) while, at the same time complying with the usual norms of international law that one country complies with when it asks the government of another country for assistance.

Since the government of the United States of America did not "recognize" the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan, the US government simply could not deal with a government that did not exist.

However, that simply doesn't apply to Venezuela. The moment that "President Guaido" requests the US government for military assistance to "restore domestic order" then the US had full legal and moral authority to send in American troops "at the request of the government of Venezuela".

PLEASE NOTE that that would NOT be in the least bit similar to the unlawful invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians using the pretext of a so-called "request" by the so-called "government" of Afghanistan that was purportedly to "restore domestic order".

Absolute Bullsh*t!
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Libya? OBL attacked the WTC, not Afghanistan. Mullah Omar said he would deliver OBL for trial if evidence was presented. Instead, we invaded and killed bunches of people, but we increased opium production by 50 times.
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Omar on OBL

I don't want to go down in history as someone who betrayed his guest. I am willing to give my life, my regime. Since we have given him refuge I cannot throw him out now
 
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