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IRS scandal is unraveling

windowdressing said:
You're very impressionable, aren't you? and if want to see uninformed and gullible, look in the mirror my friend ... the rest of us want to see concrete evidence, not this circus Issa is running ... he should be out stealing cars which is what he does best, instead of wasting our time with this ...
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Can you then explain why two witnesses especially Mr. Carter Hull claimed that the orders came directly from the White House and the IRS Chief Counsel Wilkins Esq. an Obama appointee?
 
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Wehrwolfen said:
By Thomas Lifson
July 19, 2013

We can now officially say that the IRS harassment of conservative groups is a political scandal connected to the Obama political machine. Despite the best obfuscatory efforts of Obama henchmen like Rep. Elijah Cummings, yesterday the IRS scandal was tied to a political appointee of President Obama. Step-by-step the chain is being followed upward by the House Oversight Committee chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa.
Jay Carney's assurances that two rogue agents in a back office in the 27th most populous metropolis of America were the problem has been exposed as a blatant, outrageous lie. Now we know that Obama's hand-picked agent was leading the initiative, as far as the people below him in the federal apparatus knew.


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As the honorable Mr. Elijah Cummings would say, Keep moving folks, nothing to see here. Don't bother with the lies from the White House. It's those lowly IRS employees. Only the uninformed and easily gullible can believe that this Obama regime has nothing to do with this scandal.
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The Dems are not laughing at you...wait, they are laughing at you.

This thing is the biggest non-scandal, scandal to hit Washington since, well, Benghazi. There is nothing here. Its political theatre of grotesque proportions.

Now, we all understand why the Cons must engage in such silliness, because they otherwise stand for nothing of substance. This, at least, for the time being, masks the empty platform and leadership void that is the Republican party.
 
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Fenton said:
I honestly think Obama could step out tomorrow and say " yea I did it, what of it" and there would still be left wing lunatics that woudl support him, including Democrat Congressmen who would refuse to impeach.
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I honestly think if someone were to admit doing it and not Obama, there would STILL be some on the right thinking Obama did it. Oh wait, that already IS happening.
 
Wehrwolfen said:
Can you then explain why two witnesses especially Mr. Carter Hull claimed that the orders came directly from the White House and the IRS Chief Counsel Wilkins Esq. an Obama appointee?
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Yes, because witnesses NEVER lie, right?
 
head of joaquin said:
I love how Issa admonished everybody not to jump to conclusions.

BWHAHAHAHAHHH! From Issa!

God, I bet he wished he had never conspired with George to file a false report.
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Derailing this thread will not change the fact that the IRS scandal is politically motivated.
 
Wehrwolfen said:
So you're claiming that Mr. Hull and Ms. Hofacre perjured themselves before Congress. To what end?
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I'm not claiming anything other than waiting to see what happens. You are actually claiming a "win" because of witnesses. I'm mearly pointing out that witnesses don't always tell the truth or the whole truth.

In other words, you're jumping to conclusions.
 
head of joaquin said:
We know the facts: Issa contacted George, a republican operative in the IRS, who produced a false report that purposely held back information that showed the IRS was targeting progressive groups.

Now we need an investigation to see how Issa and George colluded. Suddenly you don't like investigations, I see. Tough luck. I hear Reid is contemplating one.
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Of course your indisputable source of fact is Media Matters, TPM, Move On, or Daily Kos?
 
upsideguy said:
The Dems are not laughing at you...wait, they are laughing at you.

This thing is the biggest non-scandal, scandal to hit Washington since, well, Benghazi. There is nothing here. Its political theatre of grotesque proportions.

Now, we all understand why the Cons must engage in such silliness, because
they otherwise stand for nothing of substance. This, at least, for the time being, masks the empty platform and leadership void that is the Republican party.
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So you agree that donor list SHOULD have been leaked illegally and Conservatives should have been unfairly targeted ?

And the lies about ''rogue agents" were a acceptable explanation ?

If Bush had been in office, people would already be sitting in jail.
 
TheNextEra said:
I'm not claiming anything other than
waiting to see what happens. You are actually claiming a "win" because of witnesses. I'm mearly pointing out that witnesses don't always tell the truth or the whole truth.

In other words, you're jumping to conclusions.
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What about the "witnesses" that refuse to testify ? Take the Fifth ? Lie about "rogue agents " ?

How much blatant misinformation are you willing to ignore ?
 
Fenton said:
So you agree that donor list SHOULD have been leaked illegally and Conservatives should have been unfairly targeted ?

And the lies about ''rogue agents" were a acceptable explanation ?

If Bush had been in office, people would already be sitting in jail.
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No, I agree that most people have no clue what happened here. They don't understand that most of these organizations were political organizations applying for 501(c)(4) status, which they are either not qualified to be or marginally qualified to be. First, they did not need to apply for the status (as you can self declare), but chose to get determination letters (because they new they did not qualify or marginally qualified).

The reason these organizations wanted to be 501(c)(4) was to protect donor lists (they could have been tax exempt 527s). The reason they received the extra scrutiny was it was clear to the IRS these organizations were trying to game the system. The reason most of these organizations were "conservative" as the vast majority of the "tweeners" organized from 2010-12 were right wing political groups.

Sorry, the IRS was doing their job. The Cons don't want to do their job (bring forth ideas and turn them into legislation)... they just want to undo the results of the last election. The only scandal here is that we pay these idiots to govern and they just grandstand and play games.

No one is going to jail because this all silliness. As soon as the rest of the Cons realize how far out on the limb they have climbed chasing leprechauns, they will crawl meekly back into their hole.

BTW..no one even got fired in the Bush administration much less went to jail, even though they actually had some scandals. No one even got fired for 9/11, yet the IRS acting commissioner was removed even though this happened before he assumed office.
 
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Wehrwolfen said:
So you're claiming that Mr. Hull and Ms. Hofacre perjured themselves before Congress. To what end?
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Russell George did and I expect that ultimately he is going to be prosecuted, along with Issa if we're lucky.
 
upsideguy said:
Stay away from political porn sites, for the sake of your own health.

That article, frankly, is laughable. The fact the at President met with the chief counsel of the IRS? Seriously? Get an issue, Cons. You have none.
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Retiring IRS lawyer implicates Obama appointee in testimony | …
Retiring IRS lawyer implicates Obama appointee in testimony | The Daily Caller

Hofacre’s testimony led Hull to be summoned to the committee. Hull, 72, implicated the IRS Chief Counsel’s office, headed by Obama appointee William J. Wilkins, ...





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I guess you can't believe your lying eyes or ears. Right?
 
head of joaquin said:
We know the facts: Issa contacted George, a republican operative in the IRS, who produced a false report that purposely held back information that showed the IRS was targeting progressive groups.

Now we need an investigation to see how Issa and George colluded. Suddenly you don't like investigations, I see. Tough luck. I hear Reid is contemplating one.
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How many of the progressive groups that you refer to filed complaints with their representatives between 2009 and 20012? We'll need a link to support your response.
 
TheNextEra said:
I honestly think if someone were to admit doing it and not Obama, there would STILL be some on the right thinking Obama did it. Oh wait, that already IS happening.
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The committee to re-elct the president was not Nixon, it was only working on behalf of Nixon and was using the powers and people and devices of the government to accomplish its goals.

Are you endorsing all corruption and malfeasance just because it's your man who benefits?
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, because witnesses NEVER lie, right?
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Are you actually covering your eyes and ears when you hear/see the evidence of the lying, thieving deception of the government?

Maybe you've learned to not see or hear things without stopping the sensory inputs?

What has to be true for what you want to be true to actually be true?

We know this crap happened, we know that the people who did the crap are saying that there were others who told them to do it. We know that when those others are questioned, they invariably say that they did what was reported and that they were directed from higher up. We also know that at least one of them claimed fifth amendment protection to avoid self incrimination. From what?

We know that the the perpetrators were in and out of the White House very, very frequently and following their visits, created or directed the creation of the programs that occurred to derail the efforts of the political opponents of the White House resident. What must be true for what you want to be true to be true?

Comparing the timeline of Watergate to this fiasco, we are about June of 1973. Nixon resigned in August of 1974. These things don't just bloom like a rose in Summer. They have to be nurtured. Obama is terrified that the Reps will hold the House and win the Senate in 2014. Luckily for him, the only group of incompetent boobs in the world that are less capable of doing anything right than the Obamacare implementers are the Republican Party Elite.

The difference is that the Obamacare implementers are trying to build a castle out of sand while the Republicans are failing to describe a Chicago political machine thug in correct terms so people know what's happening.
 
Fenton said:
So you agree that donor list SHOULD have been leaked illegally and Conservatives should have been unfairly targeted ?

And the lies about ''rogue agents" were a acceptable explanation ?

If Bush had been in office, people would already be sitting in jail.
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I've said before that if a Republican was in the White House, we would see the entire press corp of the American Media focused on this and working to get an impeachment.
 
upsideguy said:
No, I agree that most people have no clue what happened here. They don't understand that most of these organizations were political organizations applying for 501(c)(4) status, which they are either not qualified to be or marginally qualified to be. First, they did not need to apply for the status (as you can self declare), but chose to get determination letters (because they new they did not qualify or marginally qualified).

The reason these organizations wanted to be 501(c)(4) was to protect donor lists (they could have been tax exempt 527s). The reason they received the extra scrutiny was it was clear to the IRS these organizations were trying to game the system. The reason most of these organizations were "conservative" as the vast majority of the "tweeners" organized from 2010-12 were right wing political groups.

Sorry, the IRS was doing their job. The Cons don't want to do their job (bring forth ideas and turn them into legislation)... they just want to undo the results of the last election. The only scandal here is that we pay these idiots to govern and they just grandstand and play games.

No one is going to jail because this all silliness. As soon as the rest of the Cons realize how far out on the limb they have climbed chasing leprechauns, they will crawl meekly back into their hole.

BTW..no one even got fired in the Bush administration much less went to jail, even though they actually had some scandals. No one even got fired for 9/11, yet the IRS acting commissioner was removed even though this happened before he assumed office.
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Can you please provide a list of the liberal groups that filed complaints with their Representatives on the unfair treatment from the IRS between the years of 2009 and 2013?
 
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upsideguy said:
Stay away from political porn sites, for the sake of your own health.

That article, frankly, is laughable. The fact the at President met with the chief counsel of the IRS? Seriously? Get an issue, Cons. You have none.
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The President does not get legal advice from the Legal counsels of agencies and those legal counsels never meet with the president without the heads of their agencies being present. The Attorney General is the guy that gives the president legal advice.

Can you site an example of the IRS General Counsel ever having met with any President in the White House in the past? You can also include those presidents that were not trying to rig an election.
 
head of joaquin said:
Russell George did and I expect that ultimately he is going to be prosecuted, along with Issa if we're lucky.
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Are you really this out of touch with what actually happened?
 
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