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IRS Going After two who Publicly Embarrassed Obamacare

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Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be).

In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid.

All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees.


One afternoon a few weeks ago, Chicago insurance broker and ObamaCare critic C. Steven Tucker happened to see a cancer patient tell Fox News' Megyn Kelly about losing his health care insurance policy.

Tucker looked up the South Carolina resident on Facebook and offered help him find health care coverage immediately so his badly-needed cancer treatments could continue. Tucker and cancer patient Bill Elliott connected and Tucker was able to find Elliott the help he needed. Elliott publicly thanked Tucker for his life-saving assistance, but little did either know they would soon be fighting another battle - this one with the Internal Revenue Service.

Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, both Tucker and Elliott received official notifications that they were being audited by the Internal Revenue Service.
Elliott, who is a retired government worker, was told he would be facing audit in 2014. Tucker says the IRS letter to him demands $4000 from 2003 and $2000 from 2010 be paid before December 26, 2013....

Tucker says he has obtained legal counsel and plans to fight the IRS' demands.


Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal.

I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?
 
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Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be). In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid. All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees. Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal. I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?
If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.
 

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If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.

:confused: how?
 

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Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be).

In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid.

All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees.





Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal.

I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?

The greatest fears of the government limiting contingent realized.

If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.

I can only hope so, but somehow don't trust the government on his count. Far too easy to abuse the power entrusted to them, the bureaucrats.
 

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Because the guy on Megan Kelley's show was proven to be either entirely ignorant or lying, iirc, and then someone gives him a bundle of money? Hmmm. sounds suspicious to me. Something is going on there.
 

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Because the guy on Megan Kelley's show was proven to be either entirely ignorant or lying, iirc, and then someone gives him a bundle of money? Hmmm. sounds suspicious to me. Something is going on there.

1. He was not lying - he did not realize that the company could have broken the HIPPA law.
2. The second guy did not give him any money - what he did was lend him his assistance as an insurance broker in informing the company that they had likely broken the law, and would be vulnerable to suit if they did not immediately begin to cover all of his treatments (which were then restarted and have since sent the cancer into remission).

What appears to be going on here is that two guy's whose main connection were that together they cast Obamacare in a negative light on public television are now suddenly getting audited for their trouble. Something does seem to be going on there.
 

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1. He was not lying - he did not realize that the company could have broken the HIPPA law. 2. The second guy did not give him any money - what he did was lend him his assistance as an insurance broker in informing the company that they had likely broken the law, and would be vulnerable to suit if they did not immediately begin to cover all of his treatments (which were then restarted and have since sent the cancer into remission). What appears to be going on here is that two guy's whose main connection were that together they cast Obamacare in a negative light on public television are now suddenly getting audited for their trouble. Something does seem to be going on there.
I gave room for him to be ignorant. Which company broke HIPPA rules? And a broker from another state claims some authority regarding another state's insurance laws? I guess he could know HIPPA but that's a legal issue not an insurance broker's issue. Like I said something's fishy.
 

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I gave room for him to be ignorant. Which company broke HIPPA rules?

Elliots. One of the things that many who argued the "horrors of the current system" to justify passing Obamacare often forgot was that it was, in fact, already illegal for an insurance company to cancel a policy when the purchaser of the policy was sick.

And a broker from another state claims some authority regarding another state's insurance laws? I guess he could know HIPPA but that's a legal issue not an insurance broker's issue. Like I said something's fishy.

HIPPA is a national law. You are right that something does indeed smell fishy, and that is the willingness of a bureaucracy to think that it is above the American populace, and the willingness of some members of that supposedly-freedom-loving populace to enable it.
 

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Elliots. One of the things that many who argued the "horrors of the current system" to justify passing Obamacare often forgot was that it was, in fact, already illegal for an insurance company to cancel a policy when the purchaser of the policy was sick. HIPPA is a national law. You are right that something does indeed smell fishy, and that is the willingness of a bureaucracy to think that it is above the American populace, and the willingness of some members of that supposedly-freedom-loving populace to enable it.
Not matter the situation, if they've nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about. An audit is not an indictment.
 

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Not matter the situation, if they've nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about. An audit is not an indictment.

I take it, then, that you'd have no objection of the police want to make a detailed search of your home, to see if they can find any evidence of illegal activity on your part. If you've done nothing wrong, if you have nothing to hide, then you should have nothing to worry about, right?
 

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If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.



You must be joking.
 

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I gave room for him to be ignorant. Which company broke HIPPA rules? And a broker from another state claims some authority regarding another state's insurance laws? I guess he could know HIPPA but that's a legal issue not an insurance broker's issue. Like I said something's fishy.



If you're talking about Obamacare, EVERYTHING'S "fishy".
 

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Not matter the situation, if they've nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about. An audit is not an indictment.



When you are dealing with the government, you have everything to worry about. You should google McCarthy, Raymond J Donovan or any of the Blacklisted hollywood folks of the 50's.

If you have no fear of a government not constrained by very strict and unbending rules, you are a perfect little Liberal unknowingly preparing to be the next passive victim herded into the cattle cars.

We are living, by your express consent in a lawless country where the chief executive and his entire executive branch which includes the IRS can do whatever they want, whenever they want and suffer no ill effect.

It is the definition of a police state.
 

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If neither of them have done anything wrong what do they have to worry about. It's just an audit, there'll only be a penalty if they are somehow defrauding the gov't, and it kind of sounds like they are.

"It's just an audit." That's the punchline of a joke.
 

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Not matter the situation, if they've nothing to hide, they've got nothing to worry about. An audit is not an indictment.

:doh It's harassment, and a threat. The tax code is so convoluted and complex that the IRS doesn't even fully understand it. Multiple studies have shown that if you send the same information to different agents and portions of the IRS, you get back significantly variant answers. What do you want to bet that you aren't a felon?

Nor is this nothing - this is part of what Nixon was going to be impeached over.

:shrug: but hey, it's okay. We've established quite a few precedents in this Administration. Now we will see how the left responds when the next Republican administration decides to use "prosecutorial discretion" to effectively refuse to collect capital gains taxes and directs the IRS to audit it's political opponents.
 

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Tucker says the IRS letter to him demands $4000 from 2003 and $2000 from 2010 be paid before December 26, 2013....
So "if" he received notices on PAST tax revenue bills, this is not Tucker's first run in with the IRS, and the claims of "audits" for both (he and Elliot) is coming from Tucker.

This tale does not pass the smell test.
 

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"It's just an audit." That's the punchline of a joke.
That could be but having been an accountant I've been through 2 fed audits and 5 state audits from Texas to Idaho, and one personal one as married couple with two children, and guess what, they are not the end of the world. The IRS isn't mean, nor are their reps, and if you've got no issues, then you're not penalizing or cited in anyway. We never got a citation or anything, but of course, as mentioned in a diff thread, my personal accounting is accurate and traceable since I'm an accountant originally, and secondly all the company audits were for companies I worked for before 1990, companies that valued integrity, as opposed to what I found when I tried to return to accounting in 2005 which was everyone cooking their books.
 

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When you are dealing with the government, you have everything to worry about. You should google McCarthy, Raymond J Donovan or any of the Blacklisted hollywood folks of the 50's. If you have no fear of a government not constrained by very strict and unbending rules, you are a perfect little Liberal unknowingly preparing to be the next passive victim herded into the cattle cars. We are living, by your express consent in a lawless country where the chief executive and his entire executive branch which includes the IRS can do whatever they want, whenever they want and suffer no ill effect. It is the definition of a police state.
Well I guess I'm just no a scaredy cat like you. But perhaps that's because I've been through numerous audits and guess what, they don't hurt at all. It's amazing. I've been through 5 company tax audits, a few dozen internal audits, and one personal tax audit when I was married to a rich man. And the 2 IRS audits,... No problems, nice people, ... and as I read through the thread it seems that even the "sudden" tax audit is likely bogus as it seems there's some evidence he's been alerted as to issues before the audit letters and before pretending to help anyone or being outspoken about anyone.
 

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Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be).

In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid.

All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees.





Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal.

I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?

Using the IRS for political reasons goes all the way back to LBJ.
 

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Don’t Obamacare related ‘cancellations’ start Jan 1? Could Bill Elliott just be one of the millions of people who’ve had their insurance cancelled because they started to actually need their insurance? Seems that way based on the reference to (HIPAA) section 2742. Insurance companies notoriously cancelled polices the second it started to cost money. That’s only if you were even allowed you to buy coverage in the first place

Elliott, who is a retired government worker, was told he would be facing audit in 2014.

I’m not aware of the IRS warning people they are going to be audited the following tax year. Seems counterproductive to warn the tax cheats ahead of time. And surely the ‘editorial’ could have posted a copy of this letter. Anybody find this odd?

And how great is this? just “a few weeks ago” Bill’s insurance company tried to cancel his policy and he is “now in full remission”. Another festivus miracle.
 

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Again - as we saw with the abuses of the tea-party associated groups, this stuff doesn't even have to be directed from the center (though it can be).

In fact, given the almost insane amount of blowback that could come from such a thing, I would tend to doubt it. Even the architects of Obamacare aren't that stupid.

All it requires, in fact, is a government employee willing to use the powers entrusted to him by the people of this nation to pursue personal vendetta's or abuse those with whom he disagrees.





Meanwhile, IRS Chief Counsel William Wilkins responds with I don't recall more than 80 times during questioning on the original tea-party-targeting scandal.

I wonder how well his co-workers would take it if Mr Tucker and Mr Elliot were to provide similar levels of response during their audit?

I'd be curious about how they managed to get a 2003 return opened. The statute should have run on that one a long time ago.
 

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Don’t Obamacare related ‘cancellations’ start Jan 1? Could Bill Elliott just be one of the millions of people who’ve had their insurance cancelled because they started to actually need their insurance? Seems that way based on the reference to (HIPAA) section 2742. Insurance companies notoriously cancelled polices the second it started to cost money. That’s only if you were even allowed you to buy coverage in the first place



I’m not aware of the IRS warning people they are going to be audited the following tax year. Seems counterproductive to warn the tax cheats ahead of time. And surely the ‘editorial’ could have posted a copy of this letter. Anybody find this odd?

And how great is this? just “a few weeks ago” Bill’s insurance company tried to cancel his policy and he is “now in full remission”. Another festivus miracle.
Some more discussion on Elliot:
Fox News Cancer Patient Bill Elliott Doesn’t Have to Die | Mediaite
 

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It was listed as an article of Impeachment against Nixon.

Yeah, he attempted to use the IRS, LBJ actually did. But LBJ had a Democratic Congress who wasn't about to challenge him. Nixon, the Democratic Congress wanted him gone.
 
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