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This is true too. But it has nothing to do with my statement that was made within the context of the poll.Originally Posted by Goobieman
Except for those people that didn't think he lied in the first place.
Billo_Really said:This is true too. But it has nothing to do with my statement that was made within the context of the poll.
Your using a double-negative in the sentence. Re-phrase the question.Originally Posted by Goobieman
So, why do you suppose people that presently think he lied will not think he did not lie if Iraqi WMDs are found in Syria??
Deliberately. It asks exactly what I want it to ask.Billo_Really said:Your using a double-negative in the sentence.
That's an extreme hypothetical. We should discuss that when (or if) we cross that bridge. I'm not going to think or speak for others. Especially over a subject that hasn't even happened yet. It's all conjecture.Originally Posted by Goobieman
Deliberately. It asks exactly what I want it to ask.
But, if you need the help to better understand the question:
People who think Bush lied about the WMDs will still think he lied if they are found in Syria. Why do you suppose that is?
Goobieman said:In a hypothecital, like this topic, you are given certain assumotiuons.One of those assumptions in this topic is that -Iraqi- WMDs are found in Syria.
Goobieman said:Its YOUR claim that there was no black market, and therefore its up to YOU to prove that's true.
Goobieman said:So, finding Iraqi WMDs eliminates your "proof" that Iraq had no black market acsess.
Goobieman said:Assumung, as the hypothetical does, that Iraqi WMDs are found, how do you now support your assertion that Iraq had no black market access and therefore wasn't a threat because it sould not nell them?
Goobieman said:The Iraqi government was directly involved in all those instances. That's not proof enough for you?
Goobieman said:Remember -- people like you want to put GWB up for war crimes for what happened at Abu Ghraib because he's the President and what the government does is his responsibility --
Goobieman said:but Saddam isnt responsible for what happens in his (totalitarian, dictatorial) government?
Goobieman said:Which is only relevant if the actions drescribed above were taken inside the no-fly zone and involved aircraft.
Goobieman said:That changes the fact that Iraq was involved in terrorism before the war and that it is now currently part of the war on terror...how?
Goobieman said:1) Thats not a strawman
2) You didn;t answer the question.
Goobieman said:And that threat would change if we didnt have troops in Iraq?
Goobieman said:Tell me why having the 1st Cavalry Division at home in Ft Hood rather than in Iraq would matter one whit if/when NK decides to launch missiles?
Goobieman said:Note that the ONLY US asstes that matter in that case is our GBI/NMD installation in AK; you're making a very good case for the necessity of such an asset.
Goobieman said:If so, they very well might use 100 in Iran. They's also likely use a few elsewhere.
Goobieman said:1) The loss of Iranian oil, and potentially almost all ME oil, will cause a worldwide shortage. A worldwide shortage will drive up the price of oil no matter where it comes from
Goobieman said:2) It doesmt matter how many refineries you have when there is a shortage of oil.
Goobieman said:What do you suppose that would do to the US economy? The world economy?
Huh? Quite an absurd example, sorry. Tell you what, when you find these mythical WMDs let's talk?Goobieman said:Deliberately. It asks exactly what I want it to ask.
But, if you need the help to better understand the question:
People who think Bush lied about the WMDs will still think he lied if they are found in Syria. Why do you suppose that is?
26 X World Champs said:BTW - This guy's BS story has been debunked, what a surprise! Turns out that he's been Pro-American since the early 1990s and was not even in Iraq through the 90s.....But hey, he's creditable, right? So creditable that some people in this community believe him over any other evidence to the contrary...isn't the term "wishful thinking."
akyron said:Perhaps he is ignoring you. How do you tell if you are on someone ignore list?
In an age of technologically advanced satellite imagery, how come we have not seen any photo's of the convoy into Syria?Originally posted by teacher:
Ah, he's been ignoring me since shortly after "The Great Monkeys Fiasco" when he told me he never had nor would ever go to the TT thread. Wasn't ten minutes later I saw him there in the "Who's Online" window. You know how when in a thread you don't see the posts made while you are in that thread unless you do something or hit refresh? Well ol champs spent a good 40 minutes in that thread that night. While he was there I kept making new posts and changing my sig explaining the deal. Sort of a play by play. "Champs is still there, go look, he still has no idea what's gong on", and on and on. He hasn't responded to me since. I just like jerking his chain now and then just in case he comes out for a look. Remember telling on me champs?
It's probably not a good idea to let an ignoree know who has put them on their ignore list. For instance if I knew it would become a small hobby to just follow them around and post right after they did with all kinds of insane (as opposed to my normal very sane) stuff. Oh what fun that would be.
Speaking of monkeys, are people still arguing about this WMD thing? We know he had them, we know who sold them the stuff to make them, he used them, we found 100+ sites where they were in Iraq, there were convoys going to Syria, it just doesn't take a genius to figure this out. But then if you have your "I hate Bush the liar" head stuck so far up you own ass so as to be removed from all logical reality, I can see how it can happen.
The real question I think that still remains that I asked this site over a year ago is, why did Bush say he didn't have them when he knows full well he damn did? Then after years Syria pulls out of Lebanon for no apparent reason. You people need to get your own ideas and quit aping the talking heads and politicians.
What's "The Great Monkey Fiasco" you newbies wonder? Glad you asked.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpo...6&postcount=57
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpo...8&postcount=58
http://www.debatepolitics.com/showpo...9&postcount=59
Come on out and play champs.
Billo_Really said:That's an extreme hypothetical. We should discuss that when (or if) we cross that bridge. I'm not going to think or speak for others. Especially over a subject that hasn't even happened yet. It's all conjecture.
Does that work on people sometimes Billo?
Let's use your logic. You don't like to talk about a subject that hasn't happened yet. But you are more than happy to preach doom and gloom about Iraq. Which hasn't happened yet. Quite the opposite is in effect. Women are voting. Quagmire has turn into a sour word in the liberals mouths. No more attacks in the US has happened yet. You know in fact, nothing but everything going very well in this war and just about according to plan does not stop you libs from opining on how terrible this will turn out. This quagmire hasn't happened yet but you all are very willing to talk about it. You can't milk a camel without getting fleas Billo.
For me, I think Bush lied. If they find Iraq WMD's in Syria (which I doubt they will because they have stopped looking for any at all), then I will change my opinion. But until then, Bush lied like a Son of a Bitch.
Okay, let's play a little. Those mobile chemical weapon production vehicles the Germans sold Saddam, where did they go?
Billo_Really said:In an age of technologically advanced satellite imagery, how come we have not seen any photo's of the convoy into Syria?
How dare you use the word "opine" in my presence! And how dare you avoid my question. With all the satallites we have up there, if there was a convoy into Syria, why didn't we get any pictures of the event? Especially, in an area of the world we were watching like a hawk. If there was a convoy, and we did get pictures, don't you think they would be all over the news? They [pictures] are not, because there wasn't a convoy into Syria delivering WMD's.Originally posted by teacher:
Let's use your logic. You don't like to talk about a subject that hasn't happened yet. But you are more than happy to preach doom and gloom about Iraq. Which hasn't happened yet. Quite the opposite is in effect. Women are voting. Quagmire has turn into a sour word in the liberals mouths. No more attacks in the US has happened yet. You know in fact, nothing but everything going very well in this war and just about according to plan does not stop you libs from opining on how terrible this will turn out. This quagmire hasn't happened yet but you all are very willing to talk about it. You can't milk a camel without getting fleas Billo.
They were destroyed. Didn't you read Hans Blix final report.Originally posted by teacher:
Okay, let's play a little. Those mobile chemical weapon production vehicles the Germans sold Saddam, where did they go?
Billo_Really said:In an age of technologically advanced satellite imagery, how come we have not seen any photo's of the convoy into Syria?
I wasn't talking about flights. I was talking about convoy's.Originally posted by akyron
Supposedly they flew coach.
"The flights - 56 in total, Mr. Sada said - attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002."
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
"Precisely what went to Syria, and what has happened to it, is a major issue that needs to be resolved." -Dr. David Kay , former head of ISG
I would rather see pictures of convoys as well.
Commercial flights should not be impossible to track either.
They were obviously more worried about underestimating Iraqs capabilities than overestimating them. Previous failures at intel gathering charged them up a bit
"Khobar Towers military barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1996; nuclear tests by India and Pakistan in 1998; the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000; and, most traumatically, the Sept. 11 attacks."
Saboteur said:Hi, just so we don't get Napoleans Nightengale in trouble I'm going to have to take responsibility for my words.
I've been kinda irritable lately and I'm pretty much fed up with the way things are going in the U.S. and these guys living in this fantasy world that this is how our country is supposed to be behaving in the world.
It's just stupid and to think that there are idiots like M14 and Goobboy, or whatever, out there crappin' up the place with their ass breath while blowin' all this hot air about 'I hate liberals because this' and 'I hate people that aren't for this country becoming a theocratic dictatorship with Fascist values because that'. Is just puttin my balls in a salkad shooter if ya know what I mean and I think I'm gonna punch the next Republickdick I see!
Whew... I'll probably get banned so, so long and thanks for all the fish.
And as for the FBI, who do you think I'm watchin' the Super Bowl with?
Billo_Really said:I wasn't talking about flights. I was talking about convoy's.
No stuff went over the border. It is a joke to even think so. Without producing the "stuff" in question, anyone pontificating from this position cannot possibly be taken seriously. What makes this even more ridiculous, the Administration has already admitted to giving up the search because they found none.Originally posted by akyron
If the stuff got carried over the border what difference does the mode of transport make?
Billo_Really said:How dare you use the word "opine" in my presence! And how dare you avoid my question. With all the satallites we have up there, if there was a convoy into Syria, why didn't we get any pictures of the event? Especially, in an area of the world we were watching like a hawk. If there was a convoy, and we did get pictures, don't you think they would be all over the news? They [pictures] are not, because there wasn't a convoy into Syria delivering WMD's.
They were destroyed. Didn't you read Hans Blix final report.
I'm not going to say it is all bad in Iraq.
I love seeing pictures like this one.
But it is not all good either.
My answer's are as follow's:Originally posted by teacher:
Questions for you Billo.
Is Iraq better off now than they were under Saddam's rule?
So is the left now saying there never were WMD's in Iraq?
Billo_Really said:No stuff went over the border. It is a joke to even think so. Without producing the "stuff" in question, anyone pontificating from this position cannot possibly be taken seriously. What makes this even more ridiculous, the Administration has already admitted to giving up the search because they found none.
This thread has no merit nor validity until the WMD's in question are produced. End of story.Originally posted by akyron
Are you advocating we don't look for them at all or we just don't look for them in Syria? What could it hurt to look besides international relations? We all know those are going just great anyway.
Seems to me there is too much at stake to not look bother looking at all.
If you go by ISG then "ISG analysts believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation."
Either way nobody had looked and I think teacher touched on a couple of possible reasons why earlier..
Billo_Really said:My answer's are as follow's:
I don't know.
Where did they go? Careful here, I smell a trap.Not since 1992.
Who won the fight?
That's not what my mommy says.Originally posted by teacher:
God you suck.
They were destroyed per the UN Resolutions.Originally posted by teacher:
Where did they go? Careful here, I smell a trap.
Don't call me Shirley.Originally posted by teacher:
It started at 10 Eastern with at least half a dozen fights on the card. Shirley Couture/Lidell is the last one.
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