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I seem to recall GWB saying the Iraqi's would be able to rebuild their country and develop the nation through the vast oil reserves it possesses. Strange then that a new law is to be passed regarding foreign corporate investment which guarantees long term profit sharing, a highly unusual arrangement in that no other country with such vast oil reserves operates on this basis.

My question is once this argreement is signed can we declare 'mission accomplished' and get the heck out?

Article is here :-

AlterNet: War on Iraq: Iraqi Oil Law Gives Cover for Corporate Profit
 
I'd rather have everyone who claimed we went in there to liberate Iraqis to admit they were wrong and turn themselves in to the local law enforement agency and demand to be charged with war crimes against humanity.

We went in there to find out how OUR oil, got under THEIR sand!
 
The wealth the Iraqi's will gain from their oil is to be dessiminated throughout the population evenly as per the Constitution and the new law they have passed their Constitution also guarantees that the oil will forever remain the property of the Iraqi people, not foreign investors or tyrannical dictators:

Article 108: Oil and gas are the ownership of all the people of Iraq in all the regions and governorates.

Article 109:

First: The federal government with the producing governorates and regional governments shall undertake the management of oil and gas extracted from current fields provided that it distributes oil and gas revenues in a fair manner in proportion to the population distribution in all parts of the country with a set allotment for a set time for the damaged regions that were unjustly deprived by the former regime and the regions that were damaged later on, and in a way that assures balanced development in different areas of the country, and this will be regulated by law.​

Second: The federal government with the producing regional and governorate governments shall together formulate the necessary strategic policies to develop the oil and gas wealth in a way that achieves the highest benefit to the Iraqi people using the most advanced techniques of the market principles and encourages investment.​


Iraqi cabinet agrees deal on sharing oil revenues



[FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Agencies in Baghdad[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]Tuesday February 27, 2007[/FONT]
[FONT=Geneva,Arial,sans-serif]The Guardian[/FONT]


Iraq's government last night agreed a landmark deal on sharing the country's formidable oil wealth among the country's ethnic minorities, an arrangement that appears to go a long way to assuaging Sunni fears of being cut out of the country's oil revenues.

The cabinet voted unanimously on the legislation, which aims to overcome the bitter suspicions and divisions in Iraqi society and distribute the wealth of the world's second largest proven oil reserves among the population.

Iraqi cabinet agrees deal on sharing oil revenues | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited

Now unless you people are opposed to open markets which are highly beneficial to all parties involved, I don't see what the problem here is. Our market it open to foreign investors does that mean we are the puppets of foreign powers? I think not, this is just another typical anti-capitalist, anti-free trade, anti-open market, bullshit thread.
 
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So now he quotes from the Guardian. Interesting!

What the Guardian article does not say is that the Iraqis will be dividing up what is left of the revenues. Of which, more than 25% go to foreign based company's for over a quarter century.
Signing away Iraqs democracy
...new report exposes the true cost to Iraq of the oil majors’ agenda
for whom, the wells drilled?
The debate over national vs. regional control of Iraq’s oil sector intensified last week, as the new Natural Resources Minister of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) stated his opposition to amending the oil-related articles of the Constitution.
George's Oil Dubya-speak
As decision-time approaches, the USA pulls levers on Iraqi oil policy.


A new framework to restructure Iraq's oil industry is under preparation, and has been presented to the US government and multinational oil companies before even being seen by the Iraqi parliament. Meanwhile, Iraqi civil society and public are being excluded altogether.
Some democracy!
 
So now he quotes from the Guardian. Interesting!

What the Guardian article does not say is that the Iraqis will be dividing up what is left of the revenues. Of which, more than 25% go to foreign based company's for over a quarter century.

So these foreign firms are supposed to develop, pump, and distribute Iraq's oil for free are they? Why are you opposed to free trade and open markets? Why are you opposed to capitalism and economic development? Are you now or have you ever been a communist?

Some democracy!

Yep a bill passed that will insure economic devolopment for the Iraqi people, written by the dually elected government of Iraq is a good example of Democracy I would say. Are we not a Democracy because we allow for foreign investment? How about Europe? How about the majority of Latin America? Infact the only Democracies that exist on this earth are those nations with open markets and those without are generally state ran tyrannies IE Hugo Chavez's Venezuela, Castro's Cuba, Ahmadinejad's Iran, et al. Next you'll be complaining that Iraq doesn't have a state ran media apparatus.
 
Originally Posted by TOT:
So these foreign firms are supposed to develop, pump, and distribute Iraq's oil for free are they? Why are you opposed to free trade and open markets? Why are you opposed to capitalism and economic development? Are you now or have you ever been a communist?
So you didn't read the articles I posted?
Originally Posted by TOT:
Yep a bill passed that will insure economic devolopment for the Iraqi people, written by the dually elected government of Iraq is a good example of Democracy I would say. Are we not a Democracy because we allow for foreign investment? How about Europe? How about the majority of Latin America? Infact the only Democracies that exist on this earth are those nations with open markets and those without are generally state ran tyrannies IE Hugo Chavez's Venezuela, Castro's Cuba, Ahmadinejad's Iran, et al. Next you'll be complaining that Iraq doesn't have a state ran media apparatus.
You said it! "The dual-ly elected government..."

And just who makes up the dynamic duo?
US-installed Iraqi government imposes a culture of death and derogation of women's rights
Hanging the womb of Iraq: Stop the executions!
by Hana Al Bayaty Global Research, February 28, 2007
Iraq: New Martial Law Powers Threaten Basic Rights
by Human Rights Watch Global Research, March 2, 2007

'In Less than Three Years’ : The cliché of US sponsored “democracy” to justify invasion and mass murder
by Ghali Hassan Global Research, February 4, 2006


"In less than three years, the nation has gone from dictatorship to liberation, to sovereignty, to a constitution, to national elections. At the same time, our coalition has been relentless in shutting off terrorist infiltration, clearing out insurgent strongholds, and turning over territory to Iraqi security forces." George W. Bush, State of the Union, 01 February 2006.

As the pretexts to justify the illegal war of aggression against Iraq started to collapse one after the other, the Bush Administration, its vassals and the mass media adopted the cliché of “democracy” to justify the invasion and the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi men, women and children. However, from the outset of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the U.S. objective was conspicuous; to destroy Iraq, install a puppet government and pillage the nation’s resources.

In less than three years, the nation has gone from a safe and functioning nation to brutally occupied and chaotic nation. The health care services have collapsed. Acute malnutrition among Iraqi children between the ages of six months and 5 years has increased from 4% before the invasion to 7.7%. In other words, despite the 13-years long genocidal sanctions, Iraqi children were living much better (by 3.7%) under the regime of Saddam Hussein than under the tyranny of George W. Bush. Lack of clean water and adequate supply of electricity have exacerbated the problem and encouraged various infectious diseases, particularly among children, infants and the pregnant women.
Some democracy!
 
So you didn't read the articles I posted?

You mean your anti-capitalist, leftwing propaganda pieces? Ya they're bullshit.

You said it! "The dual-ly elected government..."

And just who makes up the dynamic duo?

The Iraqi people voted for their government and for their Constitution regardless of what your op-ed propaganda pieces say it is a Democracy of, by, and for the Iraqi people.

And look at this your such a ****ing joke it's ridiculous:

"to destroy Iraq, install a puppet government and pillage the nation’s resources."

Wow I can't believe you even posted this bullshit let alone bolded this part,


A) We're rebuilding Iraq it's your beloved insurgency that is trying to destroy it.

B) We did not install a government they were freely elected by the Iraqi people.

C) The Iraqi Constitution ratified by the Iraqi people guarantees that the oil is and forever will be owned by the Iraqi people.



Some democracy!

Umm did the U.S. install these politicians into office? Are these U.S. created political parties? It's funny you call the tyrannical ba'athist regime "sovereign" and denegrate the only legitimate government the Iraqi people have ever known. Tell me why do you hate Democracy? Why do you support tyrannies? Why do you support Islamic Fascism? You're an evil person Billo, you need to seriously reevaluate your stance on global issues, because at this point your obvious hatred for freedom is just sad.
 
I seem to recall GWB saying the Iraqi's would be able to rebuild their country and develop the nation through the vast oil reserves it possesses. Strange then that a new law is to be passed regarding foreign corporate investment which guarantees long term profit sharing, a highly unusual arrangement in that no other country with such vast oil reserves operates on this basis.

My question is once this argreement is signed can we declare 'mission accomplished' and get the heck out?

Article is here :-

AlterNet: War on Iraq: Iraqi Oil Law Gives Cover for Corporate Profit

I can remember Colin Powell saying something to the effect that "this war will pay for itself."

Check out Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse to find out about the setting up of Iraq's government. L. Paul Bremer where'd that f@cker go?
 
Originally Posted by TOT:
You mean your anti-capitalist, leftwing propaganda pieces? Ya they're bullshit.

The Iraqi people voted for their government and for their Constitution regardless of what your op-ed propaganda pieces say it is a Democracy of, by, and for the Iraqi people.

And look at this your such a ****ing joke it's ridiculous:

"to destroy Iraq, install a puppet government and pillage the nation’s resources."

Wow I can't believe you even posted this bullshit let alone bolded this part,


A) We're rebuilding Iraq it's your beloved insurgency that is trying to destroy it.

B) We did not install a government they were freely elected by the Iraqi people.

C) The Iraqi Constitution ratified by the Iraqi people guarantees that the oil is and forever will be owned by the Iraqi people.

Umm did the U.S. install these politicians into office? Are these U.S. created political parties? It's funny you call the tyrannical ba'athist regime "sovereign" and denegrate the only legitimate government the Iraqi people have ever known. Tell me why do you hate Democracy? Why do you support tyrannies? Why do you support Islamic Fascism? You're an evil person Billo, you need to seriously reevaluate your stance on global issues, because at this point your obvious hatred for freedom is just sad.
I bet when watching the Wizard of Oz, you root for the Strawman.
 
I bet when watching the Wizard of Oz, you root for the Strawman.

Well buddy please explain to me how a government and a constitution elected and voted for by a higher % of the population than the 2000 U.S. elections is not a Democracy? You continue to state day in and day out that Saddam's regime was sovereign and beyond reproach and yet somehow you imply that the Democratically elected government of Iraq is illegitimate, this is not a strawman these are your daily assertions. Oh ya and you also assert that the insurgency against a Democratically elected government is legitimate. It is clear from your bullshit that you support tyrannies and oppose Demoracy, it's really quite sad.
 
I can remember Colin Powell saying something to the effect that "this war will pay for itself."

Check out Greg Palast's Armed Madhouse to find out about the setting up of Iraq's government. L. Paul Bremer where'd that f@cker go?

Iraq's governent and Constitution was voted for with a higher population than that of the U.S. 2000 Presidential elections. The current government in Iraq is the only legitimate goverment the Iraqi people have ever known and yet you people constantly denegrate it by referring to it as a puppet government when that position has no basis in reality.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Iraq's governent and Constitution was voted for with a higher population than that of the U.S. 2000 Presidential elections. The current government in Iraq is the only legitimate goverment the Iraqi people have ever known and yet you people constantly denegrate it by referring to it as a puppet government when that position has no basis in reality.
How the f.u.c.k do you know, what they know?

You're so pompous...
 
How the f.u.c.k do you know, what they know?

You're so pompous...

Are you honestly asserting that the Baathist regime which took power by force and maintained that power through force and the brutal repression of the Iraqi populace was a legitimate government? The only government's which are legitimate are those which represent the people with the consent of the governed IE only democracies can be legitimate governments.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Are you honestly asserting that the Baathist regime which took power by force and maintained that power through force and the brutal repression of the Iraqi populace was a legitimate government? The only government's which are legitimate are those which represent the people with the consent of the governed IE only democracies can be legitimate governments.
You take that PNAC crap and stick it where the sun don't shine! I've never seen so much garbage. You, nor I, nor the President of the United States has any right whatsoever dictating what form of government sovereign nations must have to be legitimate. It's not your call. It will never be your call. Deal with it!

And besides, this shows just how un-American you are. Because Americans believe in the right to self dermination. Not some 23 year old kid (who thinks he knows what life is all about), calling the shots for them.
 
You take that PNAC crap and stick it where the sun don't shine! I've never seen so much garbage.

The promotion of Democratic governments is garbage? Wow o.k.

You, nor I, nor the President of the United States has any right whatsoever dictating what form of government sovereign nations must have to be legitimate.

But tyrants like Saddam Hussein do I suppose? And how sad for those forced to live under the oppression of tyranical dictators, perhaps the fact that their tormentors "soveriegnty" hasn't been violated will grant some degree of condolensce as they're placed feet first into industrial shredders. No Billo dictatorships are not legitimate governments and as such do not possess sovereingty. Saddam Hussein took power by force and he maintained that power through force and the brutal repression of the Iraqi populace, so who the fuc/k are you to say that an outside power doesn't have the right to remove such a tyrant by force and in so doing grant the enslaved populace a government of, by, and for themselves. Only governments that rule with the consent of the governed are legitimate.

It's not your call. It will never be your call. Deal with it!

It's Saddam Hussein's call then I suppose?

And besides, this shows just how un-American you are.

The promotion of Democracy over tyranny is un-American? Sir it is you who are un-American.

Because Americans believe in the right to self dermination.

Are you saying that the Iraqi people had such a right under the jack boot of the baathist regime? Are you insane or just stupid? Are you honestly asserting that the people of Iraq determined themselves to be oppressed by a brutal dictator? You just keep getting funnier and funnier.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
The promotion of Democratic governments is garbage? Wow o.k.
The Project for a New American Century should be renamed The S.h.i.t.head Garbage Club (TSGC). They're f.u.c.k.e.d up POS's that are all heading for prison! Can you dig that? Your going to jail. Your going to be arrested and charged with war crimes? Can you dig that? And it has already begun. Just check out my thread "God Bless America" and you'll see that the PNAC's days are numbered. Can you dig that?
Originally posted by TOT:
But tyrants like Saddam Hussein do I suppose? And how sad for those forced to live under the oppression of tyranical dictators, perhaps the fact that their tormentors "soveriegnty" hasn't been violated will grant some degree of condolensce as they're placed feet first into industrial shredders. No Billo dictatorships are not legitimate governments and as such do not possess sovereingty. Saddam Hussein took power by force and he maintained that power through force and the brutal repression of the Iraqi populace, so who the fuc/k are you to say that an outside power doesn't have the right to remove such a tyrant by force and in so doing grant the enslaved populace a government of, by, and for themselves. Only governments that rule with the consent of the governed are legitimate.
Oh spare me your hollow caring for others. You and I both know you don't give a s.h.i.t about anyone.
Originally posted by TOT:
It's Saddam Hussein's call then I suppose?
Whassa matta, you stuck for a witty comeback?
Originally posted by TOT:
The promotion of Democracy over tyranny is un-American? Sir it is you who are un-American.
Only when you do it at the end of a gun and in violation of International/Domestic laws.
Originally posted by TOT:
Are you saying that the Iraqi people had such a right under the jack boot of the baathist regime? Are you insane or just stupid? Are you honestly asserting that the people of Iraq determined themselves to be oppressed by a brutal dictator? You just keep getting funnier and funnier.
Whatever it was, it's not your decision to make a change in that country. In fact, it's none of your god-damn business!

Iraqis say they were better off under rule of Saddam Hussein
Global Research, January 3, 2007 Angus Reid Global Monitor
 
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The Project for a New American Century should be renamed The S.h.i.t.head Garbage Club (TSGC). They're f.u.c.k.e.d up POS's that are all heading for prison! Can you dig that? Your going to jail. Your going to be arrested and charged with war crimes? Can you dig that? And it has already begun. Just check out my thread "God Bless America" and you'll see that the PNAC's days are numbered. Can you dig that?

Maybe in Billo fantasy land.

Oh spare me your hollow caring for others. You and I both know you don't give a s.h.i.t about anyone.

This from the guy who calls the Islamic Fascist insurgency legitmate while at the same time calls the democratically elected government illegitimate. It's not even funny anymore it's ****ing sad.

Whassa matta, you stuck for a witty comeback?

What are you stuck with anything other than claiming the genocidal and tyrannical Saddam Hussein right to sovereignty was violated?

Only when you do it at the end of a gun and in violation of International/Domestic laws.

Yes we know Saddam Hussein should have been allowed to do as he wished afterall he had sovereignty. :roll: Only legitimate governments have sovereignty, Saddam and his regime did not govern with the consent of the governed thus they were illegitimate and had no sovereignty.

Whatever it was, it's not your decision to make a change in that country.

No ofcourse it was up to Saddam to make the change right? What a crock of sh!t. The Iraqi's tried once to overthrow Saddam, we said we would back them, we didn't and we all know how that turned out. You think it's easy for a people to overthrow a totalitarian government? It's not and in Saddam's Iraq it was impossible as was witnessed in '91.

In fact, it's none of your god-damn business!

Whose bussiness was it then? All it takes for evil men to conquer is for good men to do nothing, but seeing as I think you fall into the former rather than the latter I suspect that saying is lost on you.

And which Iraqi's were these in your propaganda bullshit? Let me guess Tikriti Sunni's. Oh wait it's a population sample of 2,000 in predominantly Sunni towns in a country numbering over 25 million woopy.

You really are a joke if people like you were alive in '45 you'de be clamoring to put Hitler in power which is essentially what you're doing now.
 
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I'd rather have everyone who claimed we went in there to liberate Iraqis to admit they were wrong and turn themselves in to the local law enforement agency and demand to be charged with war crimes against humanity.

We went in there to find out how OUR oil, got under THEIR sand!
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Bush started that Liberate BS after we found out that there no WMD in Iraq. Bush then changed his invasion to "Iraqi Freedom."
Bush-Chaney and their BIG freeklin OIL buddies made BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS on the Iraqi invasion and the oil PRICE Gouging of Americans.
 
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Bush started that Liberate BS

Actually that "liberate B.S." as you put it, started in 1998 under Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act, it was also mentioned in the AUMF:

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107

after we found out that there no WMD in Iraq.

We found WMD; a vial of live botulinum, a seven-pound block of cyanide salt, 500 artillery shells filled with mustard gas and sarin nerve agent, and 1.77 metric tons (3,894 pounds) of low-enriched uranium, to be exact.

Bush then changed his invasion to "Iraqi Freedom."
Bush-Chaney and their BIG freeklin OIL buddies made BILLIONS if not TRILLIONS on the Iraqi invasion

Evidence? Any? No ofcourse not. Facts are stupid things. BTW Cheney gives all his Halliburton profits to charity, he has signed a binding contract to that effect, he get's not one extra or one less penny whether Halliburton stocks go up or down.

and the oil PRICE Gouging of Americans.

Again any evidence or does it just feel right?
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Actually that "liberate B.S." as you put it, started in 1998 under Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act,
Other than correcting me on my South Park faux pax, this is the only thing you've been right about in a long, long time.
 
The wealth the Iraqi's will gain from their oil is to be dessiminated throughout the population evenly as per the Constitution and the new law they have passed their Constitution also guarantees that the oil will forever remain the property of the Iraqi people, not foreign investors or tyrannical dictators:

I said the wealth generated from the vast oil reserves would be distributed amongst foreign oil companies (read US oil companies) and the Iraqis - I never said we would take it all.

If this kind of agreement is so good then why does no other country with vast oil reserves operate in such a manner. Indeed, why then do all the major oil producers have STATE run oil industries.

One should remember that Iran used to have an agreement such as the above but when they decided to terminate it the foreign investers didn't really appreciate it!! Its clear such agreements are not in the best interests of the Iraqi people.

Now unless you people are opposed to open markets which are highly beneficial to all parties involved, I don't see what the problem here is. Our market it open to foreign investors does that mean we are the puppets of foreign powers? I think not, this is just another typical anti-capitalist, anti-free trade, anti-open market, bullshit thread.

Nope, the oil companies provide a service i.e drilling the oil out of the ground. How much they should get paid should depend on how much it costs to get the stuff up, not how much the oil then raises for Iraq.

Iraq does not need foreign companies to take a share of their vast oil revenues, what they need are companies to provide services to enable them to make the most from their natural resources. Your argument here is completely bogus.

If I have a product I wish to sell but I need someone to develop a computer system for me and to also build up retail contacts I pay them a fee...I don't give i.e Microsoft a huge chunk of my profits for the next 20 years for building me a computer system.

If you support open markets then the Iraqi's should be free to talk to any foreign oil investors they wish, most of whom could get their oil system back up and running for a FEE, and not billions of pounds of profit.

The article also said these contract with the foreign oil companies can't be challenged in the Iraqi court system....I wonder why that might be :roll:
 
Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Maybe in Billo fantasy land.
It's called "Billo Island".

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
This from the guy who calls the Islamic Fascist insurgency legitmate while at the same time calls the democratically elected government illegitimate. It's not even funny anymore it's ****ing sad.
There you go lying again. Post where I said that. You want time to look? Go ahead, I'll wait.

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
What are you stuck with anything other than claiming the genocidal and tyrannical Saddam Hussein right to sovereignty was violated?
Iraq had sovereignty.

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Yes we know Saddam Hussein should have been allowed to do as he wished afterall he had sovereignty. Only legitimate governments have sovereignty, Saddam and his regime did not govern with the consent of the governed thus they were illegitimate and had no sovereignty.
Regime change is against the law. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
No ofcourse it was up to Saddam to make the change right? What a crock of sh!t. The Iraqi's tried once to overthrow Saddam, we said we would back them, we didn't and we all know how that turned out. You think it's easy for a people to overthrow a totalitarian government? It's not and in Saddam's Iraq it was impossible as was witnessed in '91.
Again, stop acting like you care about Iraqis.

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
Whose bussiness was it then? All it takes for evil men to conquer is for good men to do nothing, but seeing as I think you fall into the former rather than the latter I suspect that saying is lost on you.
It takes a little more than that.

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
And which Iraqi's were these in your propaganda bullshit? Let me guess Tikriti Sunni's. Oh wait it's a population sample of 2,000 in predominantly Sunni towns in a country numbering over 25 million woopy.
Read the article.

Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus
You really are a joke if people like you were alive in '45 you'de be clamoring to put Hitler in power which is essentially what you're doing now.
Hey, you're the one who voted for Bush, not me!
 
Actually that "liberate B.S." as you put it, started in 1998 under Clinton and the Iraqi Liberation Act, it was also mentioned in the AUMF:
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UH! Typical Con answer when Bush is caught LYING! BLAME CLINTON.
Are you related to Rush?
Bush first said he invaded Iraq because they had WMD and that Iraq-Saddam was an imminent threat. AFTER Bush found out that there were NO WMD he changed his invasion to "Enduring Iraqi Freedom."
WTF does that have to do with Clinton?
Best if you got off of that, Bush AZZKISSING mode and start thinking for your self.




We found WMD; a vial of live botulinum, a seven-pound block of cyanide salt, 500 artillery shells filled with mustard gas and sarin nerve agent, and 1.77 metric tons (3,894 pounds) of low-enriched uranium, to be exact.



Evidence? Any? No ofcourse not. Facts are stupid things. BTW Cheney gives all his Halliburton profits to charity, he has signed a binding contract to that effect, he get's not one extra or one less penny whether Halliburton stocks go up or down.



Again any evidence or does it just feel right?
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BLA BLA BLA BLA!
 
I said the wealth generated from the vast oil reserves would be distributed amongst foreign oil companies (read US oil companies) and the Iraqis - I never said we would take it all.

We're not taking anything, if the Iraqi Government did not feel this was in their best interests then why would they agree to it?

If this kind of agreement is so good then why does no other country with vast oil reserves operate in such a manner. Indeed, why then do all the major oil producers have STATE run oil industries.

They didn't at first, first they had agreements just like this and then when the contracts ran out the state took over. And BTW the economy of Iran was far better off under such agreements than when the state took over.

One should remember that Iran used to have an agreement such as the above but when they decided to terminate it the foreign investers didn't really appreciate it!!

Yes and then they nationalized their industry which is why they have not one refinery and are making far less than they would have had they followed the contracts with the British. Mossadegh nearly destroyed the Iranian economy, the Iranian economy never did so good as it did under the Shah, and look at the Iranian economy now, their oil is vastly underdeveloped and they don't even have a single refinery all they have is crude. The Iraqi's have entered into this agreement because they stand to profit far more by using the foreign refinery capacity rather than simply dumping crude on the market.

Its clear such agreements are not in the best interests of the Iraqi people.

This is just proof that you don't understand the great benefits of open markets and privatized vs. state ran industry.

Nope, the oil companies provide a service i.e drilling the oil out of the ground. How much they should get paid should depend on how much it costs to get the stuff up, not how much the oil then raises for Iraq.

And in return for their service they are getting a % of the oil profits what is the problem with that?

Iraq does not need foreign companies to take a share of their vast oil revenues,

Then let them pump and refine their own oil. Oh that's right they can't.

what they need are companies to provide services to enable them to make the most from their natural resources.

They are providing a service and in return they get a % of the profit, tell me how exactly is that not equatable?

Your argument here is completely bogus.

No that would be yours comrade, apparently you expect foreign companies to do all the work and reap none of the reward.

If I have a product I wish to sell but I need someone to develop a computer system for me and to also build up retail contacts I pay them a fee...I don't give i.e Microsoft a huge chunk of my profits for the next 20 years for building me a computer system.

lol, building and mantaining oil refineries, and oil wells, isn't exactly the same thing as building a computer system. The Iraqi's stand to gain far more profit from refined oil than they would from unrefined crude.

If you support open markets then the Iraqi's should be free to talk to any foreign oil investors they wish, most of whom could get their oil system back up and running for a FEE, and not billions of pounds of profit.

Then let them do that, apparently the Iraqi government (excuse me Democratically elected Iraqi government) feels that this is in their best interests.

The article also said these contract with the foreign oil companies can't be challenged in the Iraqi court system....I wonder why that might be :roll:

You might want to ask the Iraqi Parliament.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Yes and then they nationalized their industry which is why they have not one refinery and are making far less than they would have had they followed the contracts with the British. Mossadegh nearly destroyed the Iranian economy, the Iranian economy never did so good as it did under the Shah, and look at the Iranian economy now, their oil is vastly underdeveloped and they don't even have a single refinery all they have is crude. The Iraqi's have entered into this agreement because they stand to profit far more by using the foreign refinery capacity rather than simply dumping crude on the market.
You condemn tyrannical dictators then you praise the Shah.
What a god-damn hypocrit you are.
 
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